Negative vs Negative on Prep

[DWnyc]

Just thinking about those folks (whether providers or clients / regular hookup partners) who knowingly (not accidentally or in ignorant bliss) misstate status …

Given the technology out there including now with AI, do you really think it’s inconceivable someone could fake an HIV test result if that’s all it took to make the questions stop?

I believe fake COVID tests and injection records overtook fake driving license and green card sales on the streets of New York at one point a couple of years ago …  

 

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

2 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Just thinking about those folks (whether providers or clients / regular hookup partners) who knowingly (not accidentally or in ignorant bliss) misstate status …

Given the technology out there including now with AI, do you really think it’s inconceivable someone could fake an HIV test result if that’s all it took to make the questions stop?

I believe fake COVID tests and injection records overtook fake driving license and green card sales on the streets of New York at one point a couple of years ago …  

But the whole point of this thread is to take personal responsibility for your health, which negates whatever your sex partner does or doesn't do.

Sure, anything can be faked.  Anything at all.  We know this.

It doesn't change the fact that I still take the time to use every single tool in a medical arsenal to protect myself.

[rvwnsd]

It is easy to mock up an official looking document, whether it be negative test results, a prescription for one of the meds used as PrEP, or a vaccination record. People were doing so long before there was AI. 

As others have said, one can be unaware they are HIV+ if they seroconverted between tests. 

I assume nothing about my partners, whether they be escorts or hook-ups. I use PrEP, get tested frequently for STIs, know my risk tolerance, and take precautions accordingly. No need to let fear enter in the equation. 

[DWnyc]

9 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

But the whole point of this thread is to take personal responsibility for your health, which negates whatever your sex partner does or doesn't do.

Sure, anything can be faked.  Anything at all.  We know this.

It doesn't change the fact that I still take the time to use every single tool in a medical arsenal to protect myself.

Yes and I’m not disagreeing (and include clients as potential fakers so no issue there) and actually doubling down on the point  - Ie take responsibility for yourself and don’t rely on info from others that can be wrong for whatever reason. 

Because there are many people out there who will actually be satisfied with a quick glance at a piece of paper or an image on a phone (in hookups as well as what we are describing here).  Especially among some of our demographic in this forum who think they can free-ride off public health efforts while weighing their fear of “discovery” (eg doctor/insurance records) / effort on their own part (if everyone else taking PREP why do I need to …)

And partly I’m trying to say something new since this topic of personal responsibility comes up repeatedly. 

[DWnyc]

7 hours ago, rvwnsd said:

It is easy to mock up an official looking document, whether it be negative test results, a prescription for one of the meds used as PrEP, or a vaccination record. People were doing so long before there was AI. 

As others have said, one can be unaware they are HIV+ if they seroconverted between tests. 

I assume nothing about my partners, whether they be escorts or hook-ups. I use PrEP, get tested frequently for STIs, know my risk tolerance, and take precautions accordingly. No need to let fear enter in the equation. 

The only point on AI here is that there are people who will be fooled now more than they would have been (checkout new apps available to everyone that allow you to create a mock app on your phone in seconds), just as they may have been when photoshop first became available - and the larger point about personal responsibility for one’s self still overrides. 

Everything else (eg the point about seroconversion between tests) opens up debate on those issues. That could be fine and informative for many whether new on here or not. If we can tolerate noise on all resulting discussion. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

4 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Especially among some of our demographic in this forum who think they can free-ride off public health efforts while weighing their fear of “discovery” (eg doctor/insurance records) / effort on their own part (if everyone else taking PREP why do I need to …)

This is the demographic that's most at risk, both to themselves and to others.

[DWnyc]

35 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

This is the demographic that's most at risk, both to themselves and to others.

Exactly - they’re often the ones posting on this issue repeatedly. 

[Manhattan]

Providers may just not want to take Prep. It's a medication that can be pretty tough on your liver and kidneys. 
If you're a masseur and not an escort, you can give an erotic massage without putting yourself or your client at risk.