Doxy PEP Offers Alternative To Condoms

[+ Tygerscent]

I was just reading g an article about shingles breakthrough in the 30’s 49’s age group…  
 It’s on the uprise in that age group population~     
 My wonder is, if somehow those getting vaccinated for shingles are getting mild cases of it, but, also carrying and spreading a variance form of it, not realizing that they actually have shingles. And some variance displaying symptoms in that younger age group is becoming stronger, more virulent and/or more communicable 

[LookingAround]

Tygerscent seems like you have a lot of somatic worries. 

 

[+ FrankR]

54 minutes ago, LookingAround said:

Tygerscent seems like you have a lot of somatic worries. 

 

That is your conclusion? I was thinking “he reads and he is smart/thoughtful about this topic”. No need to be intimidated. 

[LookingAround]

9 hours ago, FrankR said:

That is your conclusion? I was thinking “he reads and he is smart/thoughtful about this topic”. No need to be intimidated. 

I wasn’t intimidated. Tbh I was being judgmental  lol

[CuriousByNature]

On 10/24/2023 at 1:31 PM, Tygerscent said:

I was just reading g an article about shingles breakthrough in the 30’s 49’s age group…  
 It’s on the uprise in that age group population~     
 My wonder is, if somehow those getting vaccinated for shingles are getting mild cases of it, but, also carrying and spreading a variance form of it, not realizing that they actually have shingles. And some variance displaying symptoms in that younger age group is becoming stronger, more virulent and/or more communicable 

I could be wrong, but I don't believe a person can spread shingles.  I haven't had it, but my former neighbour did.  I used to do his grocery shopping, and my doctor told me that I couldn't catch anything from him because I had already had chicken pox.  Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding is that someone with shingles can transmit the infection as chicken pox to those who have never had it before, but that you only develop shingles when the old chicken pox virus is reactivated as shingles later on - normally when a person's immune system is stressed.  That neighbour ultimately had shingles two times before getting the vaccination.  

Edited October 31, 2023 by CuriousByNature

[Your Man in Arlington]

53 minutes ago, CuriousByNature said:

I could be wrong, but I don't believe a person can spread shingles.  I haven't had it, but my former neighbour did.  I used to do his grocery shopping, and my doctor told me that I couldn't catch anything from him because I had already had chicken pox.

I unfortunately had shingles in my 30's and this is correct, it's not contagious. Unfortunately, all of us who've had chicken pox are at risk.

I got my shingles vaccine when I turned 50; and, as unpleasant as it was, it was nothing like actually having shingles.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

1 hour ago, CuriousByNature said:

I could be wrong, but I don't believe a person can spread shingles.  I haven't had it, but my former neighbour did.  I used to do his grocery shopping, and my doctor told me that I couldn't catch anything from him because I had already had chicken pox.  Perhaps I am mistaken, but my understanding is that someone with shingles can transmit the infection as chicken pox to those who have never had it before, but that you only develop shingles when the old chicken pox virus is reactivated as shingles later on - normally when a person's immune system is stressed.  That neighbour ultimately had shingles two times before getting the vaccination.  

Singles cannot be transmitted.

You can spread chickenpox, even as an adult.

There are vaccinations for both.  Easy to circumvent.

[KeepItReal]

20 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Singles cannot be transmitted.

Are you sure? Singles behavior look contagious to me! 😆

[+ nycman]

7 hours ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

I unfortunately had shingles in my 30's and this is correct, it's not contagious.

That’s not 100% correct. 

The virus (Varicella zoster virus "VZV") that causes shingles is the same virus that causes chicken pox. If you get chicken pox as a kid the virus continues to "live" in your nerves forever. Most of the time the body keeps the virus "in check" and you are without symptoms. Every now and then, usually when your immune system is weakened (e.g. aging), the virus will escape and you’ll experience the flair as "shingles". 

During the shingles "flair" the virus is extremely contagious. It’s just that the vast majority of adults around you are immune (either from having chick pox as a child or having received the chick pox vaccine). Someone who has had neither chicken pox nor the vaccine, could contract the virus from someone with shingles.

Also, people who are severely immunocompromised (e.g. end stage HIV) are at risk of contracting the virus (even if they had chicken and/or were vaccinated) and developing symptoms. 

So yes, shingles is contagious. It’s just that 99% of the time it’s irrelevant. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722564/#:~:text=Shingles is very contagious.,secretions or their skin rash.

"Shingles is very contagious. You can catch chickenpox from someone with shingles through contact with their secretions or their skin rash."

Edited October 31, 2023 by nycman
Making it look pretty and updating the terminology

[mike carey]

8 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

There are vaccinations for both.  Easy to circumvent.

Good reminder, in general, and specifically for me. From today over 65s in this country are eligible for the new shingles vaccine free (paid by the national pharmaceutical benefits scheme).

[Luv2play]

8 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Singles cannot be transmitted.

You can spread chickenpox, even as an adult.

There are vaccinations for both.  Easy to circumvent.

Actually there are rare cases and my younger sister was one where her chickenpox vaccine as a child did not take. I and my two brothers all got the vax.  

My sister developed a case of shingles and chickenpox simultaneously about 10 years ago in her 60s. It was very painful and affected her entire torso. Her doctor told her it was one for the medical books! 

[CuriousByNature]

4 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

Actually there are rare cases and my younger sister was one where her chickenpox vaccine as a child did not take. I and my two brothers all got the vax.  

My sister developed a case of shingles and chickenpox simultaneously about 10 years ago in her 60s. It was very painful and affected her entire torso. Her doctor told her it was one for the medical books! 

Now that I've hit 50 I'm planning to get the shingrix vaccine. 2 doses about 3 months apart. I know some people can experience pain for months or even years from shingles, so I'd like to avoid that if possible - or reduce the effects at least.

[+ nycman]

1 hour ago, CuriousByNature said:

Now that I've hit 50 I'm planning to get the shingrix vaccine. 2 doses about 3 months apart. I know some people can experience pain for months or even years from shingles, so I'd like to avoid that if possible - or reduce the effects at least.

You are a smart man. 

[marylander1940]

On 10/24/2023 at 10:52 AM, Your Man in Arlington said:

My doctor gave me a Doxy PEP prescription, and disclosed that he uses it as well. He did mention that if you're having frequent exposure periods (eg. 7 days a week), he doesn't recommend taking an antibiotic daily. My exposures are far enough in between that it I feel the added protection is worth it. In fact, due to my current schedule, I've only used on once so far and didn't experience any of the negative digestive side effects that he warned me of.

Agreed!

DoxyPep is good for clients but not so much for escorts who are BB pretty much every day, even if they have  day of the week without clients is not a good idea for them to take antibiotics on a daily basis

Please remember to have yogurt with probiotics and avoid alcohol the day you take 200mg of doxycycline or whatever pill he prescribed you 😉!

[+ sniper]

On 10/31/2023 at 7:38 PM, Luv2play said:

Actually there are rare cases and my younger sister was one where her chickenpox vaccine as a child did not take. I and my two brothers all got the vax.  

My sister developed a case of shingles and chickenpox simultaneously about 10 years ago in her 60s. It was very painful and affected her entire torso. Her doctor told her it was one for the medical books! 

Are you talking about 2 different sisters? Someone in her 70s couldn't have gotten a chickenpox vaccine as a child as it wasn't developed until the 1980s...

[+ sniper]

On 10/24/2023 at 10:53 AM, Your Man in Arlington said:

I'm currently on Truvada just to get started out, but plan on switching. Seems like a winner if you can swing 6 visits per year vs 4.

A friend got the shot and had a bad flu like reaction to it, felt sick for weeks. 

[+ SirBillybob]

10 hours ago, sniper said:

A friend got the shot and had a bad flu like reaction to it, felt sick for weeks. 

Oral lead-in dosing might have been appropriate.

https://medinfo.gsk.com/5f95dbd7-245e-4e65-9f36-1a99e28e5bba/e28f393c-fec0-4746-bd45-df61388fe935/e28f393c-fec0-4746-bd45-df61388fe935_viewable_rendition__v.pdf?medcommid=MED--US-9176#:~:text=When used for oral lead,directly to the initiation injections.

[+ SirBillybob]

On 10/31/2023 at 10:54 PM, marylander1940 said:

Please remember to have yogurt with probiotics and avoid alcohol the day you take 200mg of doxycycline or whatever pill he prescribed you 😉!

Though structure any dairy intake a few hours before or after popping the pill.

[+ SirBillybob]

On 10/31/2023 at 7:38 PM, Luv2play said:

Actually there are rare cases and my younger sister was one where her chickenpox vaccine as a child did not take. I and my two brothers all got the vax.  

My sister developed a case of shingles and chickenpox simultaneously about 10 years ago in her 60s. It was very painful and affected her entire torso. Her doctor told her it was one for the medical books! 

We seniors all had chickenpox; very few evaded it and the four of you were a household Petri dish. It is highly unlikely she caught chickenpox as a senior from one of the 400 or so Canadians currently getting it each year. Yes, a reactivation such that both clinical entities present simultaneously is certainly rare, more common among older folks with co-morbidity (eg, diabetes). 

[marylander1940]

14 minutes ago, SirBillybob said:

Though structure any dairy intake a few hours before or after popping the pill.

Probiotics are always good while taking antibiotics 

[Your Man in Arlington]

On 11/4/2023 at 11:11 AM, SirBillybob said:

On 10/31/2023 at 10:54 PM, marylander1940 said:

Please remember to have yogurt with probiotics and avoid alcohol the day you take 200mg of doxycycline or whatever pill he prescribed you 😉!

Though structure any dairy intake a few hours before or after popping the pill.

More details on what not to eat 2 hours before and after Doxycycline here:

Doxycycline and Dairy: Can Milk, Yogurt Affect This Antibiotic?

WWW.HEALTHLINE.COM

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Dairy products like milk, cheese, and yogurt contain calcium. When calcium comes into contact with doxycycline, it triggers a chemical reaction that can...

 

[edinbrooklyn]

I’d appreciate any recommendations for a NYC clinic or any other resource that could provide Doxy Pep frank advice and/or prescription(s).

thanks!

[n2guysnatl]

Anyone taking Doxy-PEP or know much about it?  I had never heard of it and my doctor threw it out at my appointment today for me to consider.  Supposedly you take it within 72 hours of having condomless sex to prevent the 3 STDs (gonorrhea, syphilis, & chlamydia).  I only occasionally have bareback sex.  No judgement in that statement to others that have it more often and no invitation for judgement on having bareback sex.   Just saying that I would only did Doxy-PEP occasionally.   Interested in hearing your opinions on Doxy-PEP not on bareback sex.

[Your Man in Arlington]

My doctor prescribed it for me and I use it after after sexual encounters. It's not 100% effective, but does very well at 85% and should protect against oral exposure, even if there's intercourse with condoms.

My doctor explained that you can't continually take it, so he doesn't prescribe it for people who are hooking up 7 days a week.

And, from what I understand, the thesis is that it will reduce overall transmission and thus its prevalence. There's more information here:

Don’t Take Chances: Why Doxycycline is a Great Bet Against STIs

WWW.UCSF.EDU

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A short course of antibiotics, Doxy-PEP, can prevent some STIs after condomless sex.

You might note:

"Doxy-Pep is an option to reduce the risk of syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia for transwomen as well as gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men and who have had at least one of these STIs in the past 12 months."

I've never had one of these STIs, but my doctor still recommended it for me anyway.

Hope this helps!

[+ SirBillybob]

1 hour ago, Your Man in Arlington said:

My doctor prescribed it for me and I use it after after sexual encounters. It's not 100% effective, but does very well at 85% and should protect against oral exposure, even if there's intercourse with condoms.

My doctor explained that you can't continually take it, so he doesn't prescribe it for people who are hooking up 7 days a week.

And, from what I understand, the thesis is that it will reduce overall transmission and thus its prevalence. There's more information here:

Don’t Take Chances: Why Doxycycline is a Great Bet Against STIs

WWW.UCSF.EDU

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A short course of antibiotics, Doxy-PEP, can prevent some STIs after condomless sex.You might note:

"Doxy-Pep is an option to reduce the risk of syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia for transwomen as well as gay, bisexual or other men who have sex with men and who have had at least one of these STIs in the past 12 months."

I've never had one of these STIs, but my doctor still recommended it for me anyway.

Hope this helps!

Effectiveness isn’t necessarily related to STI history outside of possible antimicrobial resistance factors. That aspect is simply imported into the recommendations because recent STI history predicts subsequent STI incidence and research subjects exclusively with recent STI history were recruited so that enough infections would occur quickly enough for statistical analysis. The specifics of the study population later govern the medication guidance. As you can see from the article, the off of off-label can be further. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by SirBillybob