Mr Number - App With Reviews/Info on Clients

[JTtorretto]

On 8/31/2024 at 10:09 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

As with any review platform, you risk being dinged if you act in unbecoming ways.

Mr Number- as well as any other blacklists- exist to warn escorts of potential pitfalls.

That doesn't mean they won't be abused.  Like bad escort reviews, you can get yourself a black mark for any number of reasons.

I'd offer that clients understand and use apps like Burner to better protect themselves.

No no no, 

 

BAD ADVICE

 

when a potential client contacts me using a fake burner type # its likely due to his reputation via mr number 

[JTtorretto]

On 9/1/2024 at 1:00 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I understand, but there's always two parties to consider.  I'm just trying to also consider the client mindset.

As for Burner, it's now near-impossible for an escort to know if they're chatting with a Burner number vs the client's actual number.  The Burner app has a 'premium' tier that assigns genuine numbers which cannot be pinged as 'temporary.'

I agree that these apps make it easier for ghosting and general fuckery.

This business remains a leap-of-faith for many, on both ends.

NOT true.  
Even with the “premium” tier I have a couple ways to instantly tell if a green text is a voip or android.

and this is a major reason why blue texts are always preferred as you cant “fake” an apple to apple IM message.    

[JTtorretto]

On 9/2/2024 at 5:43 AM, DWnyc said:

Providers who insist on real numbers will likely lose more business from that policy than from time lost because of ghosting / flaming burner users. As with asking for photos.

 

Out of the two-three thousand clients ive  met while in this business I cant think of a single experience where someone using a burner type # actually followed thru.

 

 

 

[ZackZack]

On 7/25/2024 at 4:42 PM, Simon Suraci said:

1) When I have neutral or positive experiences with a negatively reviewed client, I leave positive comments. Nothing that descriptive other than he is safe to see, followed through, and contradict any negative comments i.e. the “client paid my rate”, in contrast to comments like: “he didn’t pay”, “cheap client”, or “has no money”. I’ll mention he was respectful if he had other comments on his number saying he was rude, abrasive, or creepy.

2) After a positive meeting, I leave no comments when the client has nothing listed in the first place, which is most commonly the case. Same if he has only positive comments, which is very rare. Mr Number is not designed to be a referral system. It’s supposed to be for reporting spam and fraud. We providers use it unofficially as a warning beacon to flag chronic problem clients and help keep us safe. That’s why you hardly find any neutral or positive comments. It’s about managing risk, not a tool to find or refer better clients.

The best clients have no comments on Mr Number because they are not behaving in a way that would motivate a provider to go out of his way to flag it.

Really horrible clients might not have comments because they have either a) been lucky to not use providers who report on Mr Number, or b) regularly change their burner number for this express purpose - kind of like a provider making a new profile when he receives a bad review. Both behaviors are childish. Everyone treat one another with respect and we don’t have to play these games. Alas, bad apples populate both sides of hiring.

Speaking for myself here, but I’m sure others feel the same: I don’t care if the client is attractive or nice or a millionaire, and this wouldn’t be the place to discern or share such information anyway. We just want to avoid trouble and wasting our time. Remember: an escort’s (and masseur’s) most valuable asset is his time.

Here are some common Mr Number flags, which sometimes are true, sometimes not:

Law enforcement (often not true)

No-shower (usually true)

Disrespect

Verbal abuse

Trolling behavior

Bargaining behavior 

Won’t pay

Drug use

Mental instability 

No boundaries

Wants to outsource all risk and responsibility for his own sexual health to escorts i.e. show me your prescription, rapid test in person, etc. There is no satisfying this unreasonable client, even if you test in person, send all documents, etc. It never ends. Immediate block.

“Gross” clients (inexperienced providers write these, very common, it’s unprofessional)

“Time Waster” - see blurb below.

 

Less common:

Violence

Catfishing

Other

 

”Time Waster” and variants therof:

This is the most common comment of all. Most of these are from immature providers. They have no concept of what reasonably constitutes time wasting behavior. Just today I saw a comment saying a client was a time waster because he canceled last minute in 2022…because he tested positive for COVID. Now, we don’t know if that was a lame made up excuse (I hear them all), but anyone sick should cancel! Just like a provider testing positive for an STI should cancel, however inconvenient that may be for each party.

Car accidents, sick relatives, and business emergencies tend to occur conveniently right before so many appointments. After a while you catch on. But sometimes that really is what happened. While unfortunate, canceling for real, compelling reasons is a normal, natural part of life. You can’t be considered a “time waster” because you are a human being with a life.

At the same time, reporting these incidents shows us patterns. Like, how many times does this John get COVID before an appointment, or “fall asleep” and stop responding (unacceptable btw). Maybe he really does care for a sick relative needing constant care…in which case he should get coverage with another caregiver before booking an appointment. Your lack of planning does not make everyday occurrences “emergencies”, where you have to cancel every other time you book. Figure your shit out. Be an adult. Get a sitter. Or just…don’t book!

We see the patterns and measure our risk.

On the flip side, lots of clients do waste our time in ways they shouldn’t. Answering questions about our rates and services is not timewasting behavior. Not booking but asking the same questions over and over is. These too:

Client sexting

Client demanding affirmation

Discussing minutiae of an appointment obviously for wanking purposes

Demanding our attention at all hours outside appointment times, over many days, weeks, or even months. I have to block clients who feel entitled to hours of my attention because they got a one hour massage from me one time. Thanks, but no thanks.

This was very through and detailed. Thanks for sharing your views.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

20 hours ago, JTtorretto said:

NOT true.  
Even with the “premium” tier I have a couple ways to instantly tell if a green text is a voip or android.

and this is a major reason why blue texts are always preferred as you cant “fake” an apple to apple IM message.    

Sure you do.

Wanna share this secret sauce.

Edited September 5, 2024 by BenjaminNicholas

[DWnyc]

On 9/4/2024 at 12:07 AM, JTtorretto said:

 

So 0% out of a sample of 2-3 thousand?

Given that many on here have said they use burner numbers (I would be surprised if it’s not close to half or even more)- your hypothesis has to be incorrect about the industry as a whole.

I understand from the grapevine you have an … interesting … screening process including demanding real numbers from those who don’t meet your criteria - maybe that is what puts off burner users from following through with you specifically. 

I love statistical analysis.
 

[marylander1940]

On 9/1/2024 at 12:00 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I understand, but there's always two parties to consider.  I'm just trying to also consider the client mindset.

As for Burner, it's now near-impossible for an escort to know if they're chatting with a Burner number vs the client's actual number.  The Burner app has a 'premium' tier that assigns genuine numbers which cannot be pinged as 'temporary.'

I agree that these apps make it easier for ghosting and general fuckery.

This business remains a leap-of-faith for many, on both ends.

To find out if someone is using a burner number you can always call back.

As far as I know if he's using text to mail or Google Voice and he doesn't pick up the phone the recording to allow you to leave a voicemail will tell you he's using one of those apps.

I'm not sure if it applies to other burner apps.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

26 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

To find out if someone is using a burner number you can always call back.

As far as I know if he's using text to mail or Google Voice and he doesn't pick up the phone the recording to allow you to leave a voicemail will tell you he's using one of those apps.

I'm not sure if it applies to other burner apps.

The Burner App allows you to leave a custom message without letting the person know it's a third-party.

[marylander1940]

18 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

The Burner App allows you to leave a custom message without letting the person know it's a third-party.

Yes but how many users know that and would even figure it out how to do it? 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

23 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Yes but how many users know that and would even figure it out how to do it? 

Agree.  There's a learning curve.

But...  If you have a lot to protect, you go to those lengths.  It's as easy as a YouTube tutorial.

Guys in hiding need to stop thinking solely with their dicks.  It's how they get caught.

[DWnyc]

On 9/3/2024 at 11:55 PM, JTtorretto said:

No no no, 

 

BAD ADVICE

 

when a potential client contacts me using a fake burner type # its likely due to his reputation via mr number 

I didn’t know what Mr Number was until a year after being on this site - and 5-6 years after seeing providers regularly. In my case using a burner had nothing to do with my reputation on MrN. And I assume many others aren’t focused on that logic either.  

A burner number isn’t fake - it just can’t be traced through regular background checks (until it can - the more someone uses it info builds up). If what you’re really saying is you need someone’s name, ability to run background checks on them etc - and you need their “real” number for that, to build up leverage, that’s a different matter. 

My Mr Number reputation is stellar. It says I’m sweet but get annoyed if kept waiting. Someone tried leaving something nasty and I got it removed because a provider alerted me while we were meeting - wasn’t a problem for him. 

Here’s more advice for clients: I’ve rarely met a provider who had a problem with my burner number. If they ever did I would Move on and they would lose my business. Because in my experience the odds are 90% it’s not a problem. 

 

Edited September 11, 2024 by DWnyc

[JTtorretto]

On 9/4/2024 at 8:15 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

Sure you do.

Wanna share this secret sauce.

DM me 

[sense]

I'm a rentmasseur/masseurfinder client, not an escort client.  I hire for beautiful sensual work, not "full service."  But I do "due diligence" before I hire, but I am NOT a gameplayer.  I hire, I pay well, and to many guys I am regarded as a truly good client relationship and I see them again and again.  But I've recently become aware that there are messages out there about me that I'm a timewaster, even that I stand people up, which I would NEVER EVER do.  I have NEVER done this.  And if I have to cancel because my travel changes, I do so at least 24-48 hours ahead.  Is there any way I can encourage a provider who finds these things about me "on an app we use" to give me a chance?  I'm honestly a good guy.  Many thanks.  

[+ lvmssg]

Random, but how do you get User Comments to show up in Mr. Number? If there’s nothing, does that mean that no comments were added? I’m on a 3 day free trial, so should be having all features within the app. 😅

[Massageguy99]

On 7/13/2023 at 8:55 PM, Simon Suraci said:

I use other methods that I won’t share here, but also Mr Number. I take it all with a grain of salt. It’s not 100% accurate. Lots of the entries are from immature providers leaving comments for illegitimate reasons and I can usually tell pretty easily by the tone and language.

I’ve run some experiments intentionally booking known problem clients just to see if the comments hold any water. The majority of comments are accurate. Some are not. I called a client out on his comments a while ago. He protested and showed me his texts with the providers that were clearly the provider being the problem. The client showed up and was not a problem at all. All was well.

There is no perfect system. You have bad actors on both sides of hiring. Most clients are just fine. If you treat providers with respect, you have little reason to worry about getting comments. We use the systems available, imperfect though they may be. 

Providers use Mr Number to help keep one another safe and to help steer us away from known problem clients. Not just “annoying” clients. Plenty of those out there and we deal with them every day. Those are not a legit reason to post damaging comments. When a client is seriously impacting my business or my own person in a negative way, I feel the need to share it.

I never add a comment because a client simply decided not to book with me. That’s asinine. I only do it in the following cases:

1) No-show with zero contact, no cancellation attempt, no apology, no excuse, no attempt to reschedule. Nothing but crickets for hours or even days later after multiple attempts to reach the client. (most common)

2) Abusive or harassing behavior, stalking (uncommon).

3) Violent and/or threatening client (uncommon).

4) Client intentionally attempting to receive services and not pay (rare).

5) Mental illness (rare). And I don’t mean disabilities. I mean someone who is seriously unstable, like they could be a harm to himself or others, unable to consent, or some other serious issue. Not generally “weird” people, that’s not fair. I get plenty of those. I mean something really serious.

6) Spam, fraud (unbelievably common). “Will you massage my entire boys sports team in one day?” lol so many weird schemes out there from Nigerian royalty asking for gift cards to female porn stars requesting massages and access to my payment information before receiving services. You name it, it’s out there, and it’s constant. Every. Damn. Day. If you advertise anywhere, you’re a target for spam and fraud.

7) Other extreme circumstances that I can’t think of off the top of my head.

Can I take option 6. I would do it for free ha. 

[Simon Suraci]

1 hour ago, Massageguy99 said:

Can I take option 6. I would do it for free ha. 

That type of scheme works like this: the fraudster gets you interested in a high volume of work $$$ with people most masseurs would (presumably) prefer to work on more than your average client i.e. younger, attractive, in-shape, athletes, models, actors, you name it. Sometimes they assume women would be more enticing to me, which indicates sloppy or zero research on their part. Then the fraudster presses to pay up front using some digital method. After providing them the payment information, they attempt to steal your personal and financial information, your money, or both. The boys sports team never shows up, and the fraudster moves on to the next victim.

Stuff that seems off, too good to be true, odd, or unusual I steer clear of. It’s almost always a scam. Any client asking to pay ahead via digital means is an instant no-go, highly likely to be fraudulent activity.

When I was actually engaging the sports team guy, I asked if the “boys” he mentioned were underage, or all over 18. I can’t knowingly serve minors. He was flustered by the question. Clearly he didn’t expect anyone to have this concern. That made it so obvious what was going on that I ended the conversation and reported the scam.

[Massageguy99]

5 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

That type of scheme works like this: the fraudster gets you interested in a high volume of work $$$ with people most masseurs would (presumably) prefer to work on more than your average client i.e. younger, attractive, in-shape, athletes, models, actors, you name it. Sometimes they assume women would be more enticing to me, which indicates sloppy or zero research on their part. Then the fraudster presses to pay up front using some digital method. After providing them the payment information, they attempt to steal your personal and financial information, your money, or both. The boys sports team never shows up, and the fraudster moves on to the next victim.

Stuff that seems off, too good to be true, odd, or unusual I steer clear of. It’s almost always a scam. Any client asking to pay ahead via digital means is an instant no-go, highly likely to be fraudulent activity.

When I was actually engaging the sports team guy, I asked if the “boys” he mentioned were underage, or all over 18. I can’t knowingly serve minors. He was flustered by the question. Clearly he didn’t expect anyone to have this concern. That made it so obvious what was going on that I ended the conversation and reported the scam.

Interesting. The business I am in I see all types of scams via email, calls, etc. 

 

I was mainly joking. Like the idea of working on a whole team of Rowers or swimmers sounds exciting ha. I mean I know logistically one person would be exhausted after the 3rd person anyway. 

[Moke]

On 9/13/2024 at 9:06 AM, sense said:

I'm a rentmasseur/masseurfinder client, not an escort client.  I hire for beautiful sensual work, not "full service."  But I do "due diligence" before I hire, but I am NOT a gameplayer.  I hire, I pay well, and to many guys I am regarded as a truly good client relationship and I see them again and again.  But I've recently become aware that there are messages out there about me that I'm a timewaster, even that I stand people up, which I would NEVER EVER do.  I have NEVER done this.  And if I have to cancel because my travel changes, I do so at least 24-48 hours ahead.  Is there any way I can encourage a provider who finds these things about me "on an app we use" to give me a chance?  I'm honestly a good guy.  Many thanks.  

I have exactly this situation too. I’ve not looked, but have been told that there are those on mr N that call me a “time waster” or “game player” which is ludicrous. I don’t hire everyone I reach out to ask about rates and compatibility so I guess that means I’m a time waster?  I have never ever ghosted someone (tho others have ghosted me) and have several regulars. I have even donated a self-volunteered “cancellation fee” when life or illness has forced me to cancel under 24 hrs before the appt time. 
But anyway, I don’t think there’s a good way to avoid the bad comments on mr N. I hope some of my regulars are also saying nice things about me, but who knows??

[+ ApexNomad]

12 minutes ago, Moke said:

I have exactly this situation too. I’ve not looked, but have been told that there are those on mr N that call me a “time waster” or “game player” which is ludicrous. I don’t hire everyone I reach out to ask about rates and compatibility so I guess that means I’m a time waster?  I have never ever ghosted someone (tho others have ghosted me) and have several regulars. I have even donated a self-volunteered “cancellation fee” when life or illness has forced me to cancel under 24 hrs before the appt time. 
But anyway, I don’t think there’s a good way to avoid the bad comments on mr N. I hope some of my regulars are also saying nice things about me, but who knows??

You can’t avoid what other people may say. You have regulars, so clearly, it hasn’t been an issue—and that says a lot about you. This is the last thing you should worry about.  

[+ Pensant]

Guys, just this week I had a hot encounter with a new provider who told me I had a bad report from 2021. I know exactly who it was: a very emotionally unstrung provider in Portland at the time. We had a great chat, I agreed to his two-hour rate, and made hotel reservations. The morning of he texted me and said he’d require more. I told him that we I had already agreed to his fee and wasn’t going to play that game. He threatened to report me to his friends and I just wrote it off as a bizarre experience. I never heard that I was on the list until the new provider showed me his phone. It wasn’t too damning, but it was inaccurate. The new guy wrote me a positive review on the app before he left, so it’s evened out. So, yes, there is a resource that exists but which appears to be seldom used since this was the first time I’d heard of my entry in almost 4 years.

[+ ApexNomad]

14 minutes ago, Pensant said:

Guys, just this week I had a hot encounter with a new provider who told me I had a bad report from 2021. I know exactly who it was: a very emotionally unstrung provider in Portland at the time.

There’s nothing you could have done, and fortunately, it worked out. 

Unfortunately, there’s not much we can do about reviews. Clients can leave bogus feedback, just as providers can post unfair reviews on platforms like Mr. Number. At the end of the day, these should just serve as a baseline. Decisions are best made through personal interactions, mutual diligence, and gut instincts.

[+ nycman]

It’s very easy to get bullshit removed from Mr. Number. The platform doesn’t want trouble and they’re well aware people are abusing it. As a side note, crappy escorts are really only hurting their fellow escorts when they post bogus reviews on Mr. Number. But as I said before, trying to police a professional group that can’t even agree on what 6 inches is, would be a fool’s errand. 

Monitor the things people write about you on Mr. Number and get the bogus items removed. Think of it the same way you do your credit score. If you’re an upstanding citizen, you generally don’t have much to worry about. 

[MCR]

On 7/12/2023 at 5:24 PM, DrownedBoy said:

Yup. I traced down the dates, and found providers called me a "fake" simply because I passed on hiring them.

Someone at CoM also added a negative remark,  because he used language and characteristics that I only saw in this forum, and not if we spoke or met.

Either way, since it's a personal number, Mr. Number removed all comments within 12 hours of me reporting it. EDIT I'm a subscriber to Mr Number,  which makes it easy.

Can you tell me how to get comments removed on mr number?

[+ DrownedBoy]

12 hours ago, MCR said:

Can you tell me how to get comments removed on mr number?

Contact them and tell them you're a private individual, not a company, and that you find the comments slanderous.

[MCR]

59 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

Contact them and tell them you're a private individual, not a company, and that you find the comments slanderous.

I have never been able to find a contact number