Success rate of finding clients/escorts offline?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Had a friend suggest to me some casinos in the area to post up in. As in: go, sit and have a drink and maybe chat up someone.

I’ve never worked a casino before. I know it’s cameras in all of them. Not that it would need to be obvious, but I also feel such activities are better with a wingman to fall back to in case things go awkward.

 I made a client at a boutique hotel bar last year. But it was spur of moment and unplanned. I’m just feeling limited relying on the RM and A4A platform (which I decided I’m going to get off because it’s barely making me any money lately). 
 

I am working on increasing advertising on mint boys in the lineup. I’m fine with in person scouting at gay bars and clubs, but the guys there usually aren’t looking for a paid arrangement…

[+ keroscenefire]

I don't know about casinos. But I do know that several escorts in Denver are also go-go dancers and/or work at gay bars around town (often shirtless or even in their underwear). And one of them told me he has gotten clients from that. I think the already sexual nature of those businesses makes that a bit easier to make that transaction happen. I don't know if that's something you're able to do or interested in, but that could be a good offline option.

[Rod Hagen]

Long ago when I was young I was hit on by an older man at the gay WeHo Starbucks, now closed.  My apartment is only 5 minutes away so we walked over.  When we got here I told him I was an escort, and he was fine with that.  I wouldn't have done that if I'd lived farther away and therefore would have wasted a lot of his time, nevertheless it was opportunistic of me.  I saw  him several other times and we still email back and forth, so I don't feel as if I took advantage of him, because he clearly wanted more of me, or at least it doesn't seem as if he ever felt that way, in fact I asked him once, and he said no.

 

The bar at the Peninsula Hotel, Beverly Hills, was for nearly two decades rotten with female prostitutes.  And Gore Vidal (obvs not interested in them.)

Edited March 29, 2023 by Rod Hagen

[BuffaloKyle]

4 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Had a friend suggest to me some casinos in the area to post up in. As in: go, sit and have a drink and maybe chat up someone.

Chat up the guys at the slots that hit the jackpots! 🤑

[+ tassojunior]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Had a friend suggest to me some casinos in the area to post up in. As in: go, sit and have a drink and maybe chat up someone.

I’ve never worked a casino before. I know it’s cameras in all of them. Not that it would need to be obvious, but I also feel such activities are better with a wingman to fall back to in case things go awkward.

 I made a client at a boutique hotel bar last year. But it was spur of moment and unplanned. I’m just feeling limited relying on the RM and A4A platform (which I decided I’m going to get off because it’s barely making me any money lately). 
 

I am working on increasing advertising on mint boys in the lineup. I’m fine with in person scouting at gay bars and clubs, but the guys there usually aren’t looking for a paid arrangement…

Gay strip clubs. Half the crowd is clients. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

39 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

Gay strip clubs. Half the crowd is clients. 

As a client, I wish there were more escorts at Strip Clubs.  I'm already horny, but half the dancers make for lousy escorts or massage.

[+ The Big Guy]

I haven’t been to Vegas in a while but it seemed like security at the hotels are watching this more closely.  I say that because a female escort proposed we meet while I was on the long walkway going into the Venetian.  I explained that her and I weren’t on the same team but asked her if she worked the casino.  She said that it had become more difficult as security harasses her if she works the bars there.  

[BuffaloKyle]

3 minutes ago, The Big Guy said:

I haven’t been to Vegas in a while but it seemed like security at the hotels are watching this more closely.  I say that because a female escort proposed we meet while I was on the long walkway going into the Venetian.  I explained that her and I weren’t on the same team but asked her if she worked the casino.  She said that it had become more difficult as security harasses her if she works the bars there.  

She probably has had complaints made against her by patrons so they know to watch her.

[Jamie21]

I was once contacted by a client on a gay naked beach in Mykonos…

I’d been walking along the waterline with my friend looking for a couple of beds to pitch up for the day. We find a suitable location and lay out our stuff and settle down to sunbathe. I checked my phone and see a message from a client ‘Hi Jamie, did I just see you on Elia beach?’. I messaged back ‘oh! Yes I am there…where are you?’. We then found each other and had a chat. He was with his husband so slightly awkward (I think the husband knew he’d hired me…). My friend thought it was hilarious.

Later on a guy walking around in a white t shirt with ‘masseur’ on the back approached us touting for business. A massage was booked for next day (one each for me and my friend). It was nice to be on the table for a change (and yes it was that kind of massage 🍆💦). 

So I think if I lived in Mykonos I’d use the beach to look for business 🙂. Although I think I probably don’t quite have the beach perfect body that seems to be a requirement for that beach! 
 

[Rudynate]

2 hours ago, Rod Hagen said:

Long ago when I was young I was hit on by an older man at the gay WeHo Starbucks, now closed.  My apartment is only 5 minutes away so we walked over.  When we got here I told him I was an escort, and he was fine with that.  I wouldn't have done that if I'd lived farther away and therefore would have wasted a lot of his time, nevertheless it was opportunistic of me.  I saw  him several other times and we still email back and forth, so I don't feel as if I took advantage of him, because he clearly wanted more of me, or at least it doesn't seem as if he ever felt that way, in fact I asked him once, and he said no.

 

The bar at the Peninsula Hotel, Beverly Hills, was for nearly two decades rotten with female prostitutes.  And Gore Vidal (obvs not interested in them.)

I used to cruise hotel bars looking for DL and bi guys.  I wasn't charging tho.

[maninsoma]

From a prospective client perspective, I think that attempting to work a regular bar (i.e., just hanging out somewhere, striking up conversations or being open to others striking up conversations with you) and then attempting to move the interaction to a mercenary one is potentially problematic.  Suggest this to the wrong person and you end up reported to management or maybe even the police.  As a sometimes client, I also wouldn't really appreciate someone approaching me in that manner in a generic bar.  If I'm having a simple, friendly conversation with someone I don't expect that to turn into a "will you pay me" conversation.  I don't care if it's sex work or it's a dentist fresh out of dental school looking for clients -- being hit up for money when you're simply out having a drink is just socially awkward.  My personal experience with this: After many visits to Puerto Vallarta, I started mostly ignoring the locals when sitting in various bars because I had too many experiences where guys assumed I was going to give them money simply because we started talking.  A lot of these guys weren't even attractive enough that I would have had sex with them for free, so the notion that I would want to pay them for sex just seemed ludicrous to me.  It happened to much that I just realized that a lot of guys there were desperate for money, viewed tourists as a direct source of money, and thought it was reasonable to act in a basic, friendly way (simple small talk) while in their mind already having a meter running.  Very bizarre and unwanted.  Mind you, I did hire lots of guys I met there on the beach or at a hotel bar or at a strip club, so it wasn't that I was adverse to hiring.  I just didn't appreciate the suggestion that I pay someone come up so frequently under circumstances where I thought I was simply having a conversation with a stranger.

As others have suggested, I think it makes sense that a stripper could use that position to solicit clients.  After all, a guy putting a dollar in a dancer's g-string is already beginning a "pay for play" relationship so suggesting you are available for more isn't going to shock anyone and is more likely to be a welcome suggestion, not something that just seems out of the blue.

[bradleyphl]

I frequent Atlantic City often to gamble. Grindr has guys indicating they would provide. Not a bad idea since, after hitting a jackpot, I hired someone.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

16 hours ago, Vegas_nw1982 said:

As a client, I wish there were more escorts at Strip Clubs.  I'm already horny, but half the dancers make for lousy escorts or massage.

Yes, having danced in a couple cities the year before last: and even knowing a handful of dancers in Denver (like @keroscenefire mentioned) many “dancers” are moreso go-go boys than “strippers”. In fact, many tend to more closely relate to drag queens than sex workers (not to give Tennessee any extra clout in relating them to such lol). And by that I mean: entertainment, keeping the crowd going, etc. The ones I’ve known have also been heavy on “partying” too so…that’s another factor.

That said, just because they are hot and fun in a circuit environment around OTHER hot guys, doesn’t mean they are fit for 1 on 1 with any Tom, Dick or hairy Joe Blow who wants to…do private things.

In fact I knew a guy years ago who turned to dancing in Dallas. I was shocked because, he knew I was an escort but never really mentioned doing it. Dancing was a less hands on form of sex work.

15 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I was once contacted by a client on a gay naked beach in Mykonos…

I’d been walking along the waterline with my friend looking for a couple of beds to pitch up for the day. We find a suitable location and lay out our stuff and settle down to sunbathe. I checked my phone and see a message from a client ‘Hi Jamie, did I just see you on Elia beach?’. I messaged back ‘oh! Yes I am there…where are you?’. We then found each other and had a chat. He was with his husband so slightly awkward (I think the husband knew he’d hired me…). My friend thought it was hilarious.

Later on a guy walking around in a white t shirt with ‘masseur’ on the back approached us touting for business. A massage was booked for next day (one each for me and my friend). It was nice to be on the table for a change (and yes it was that kind of massage 🍆💦). 

So I think if I lived in Mykonos I’d use the beach to look for business 🙂. Although I think I probably don’t quite have the beach perfect body that seems to be a requirement for that beach! 
 

 

I was in La Jolla San Diego the other week, and that’s a good idea considering the supposed nude beach is supposed to bring out some action. I didn’t cruise, and was just there for a short time…but if I go back in the summer, I’ll be sure to keep some biz cards on hand. 
 

8 hours ago, maninsoma said:

From a prospective client perspective, I think that attempting to work a regular bar (i.e., just hanging out somewhere, striking up conversations or being open to others striking up conversations with you) and then attempting to move the interaction to a mercenary one is potentially problematic.  Suggest this to the wrong person and you end up reported to management or maybe even the police.  As a sometimes client, I also wouldn't really appreciate someone approaching me in that manner in a generic bar.  If I'm having a simple, friendly conversation with someone I don't expect that to turn into a "will you pay me" conversation.  I don't care if it's sex work or it's a dentist fresh out of dental school looking for clients -- being hit up for money when you're simply out having a drink is just socially awkward.  My personal experience with this: After many visits to Puerto Vallarta, I started mostly ignoring the locals when sitting in various bars because I had too many experiences where guys assumed I was going to give them money simply because we started talking.  A lot of these guys weren't even attractive enough that I would have had sex with them for free, so the notion that I would want to pay them for sex just seemed ludicrous to me.  It happened to much that I just realized that a lot of guys there were desperate for money, viewed tourists as a direct source of money, and thought it was reasonable to act in a basic, friendly way (simple small talk) while in their mind already having a meter running.  Very bizarre and unwanted.  Mind you, I did hire lots of guys I met there on the beach or at a hotel bar or at a strip club, so it wasn't that I was adverse to hiring.  I just didn't appreciate the suggestion that I pay someone come up so frequently under circumstances where I thought I was simply having a conversation with a stranger.

As others have suggested, I think it makes sense that a stripper could use that position to solicit clients.  After all, a guy putting a dollar in a dancer's g-string is already beginning a "pay for play" relationship so suggesting you are available for more isn't going to shock anyone and is more likely to be a welcome suggestion, not something that just seems out of the blue.

Unfortunately, I agree with you there…and that’s pretty much my way of looking at it! Because I know: I get annoyed when someone tries to sell me a product that I’m not looking for, so I prefer not to want to be in that position the other way around either.
 

Also for the record: I meant to correct my friend because, I would not initiate a conversation with someone at random in public/casino if I was expecting payment. I know the chances of being reported/etc are much less when the person hits you up first. Same concept with Grindr and A4A, on the off chances I do meet from there, it’s always them hitting me up first. That way, it automatically takes the solicitor factor out of it. 
 

As far as dancing goes: Last year I did a couple dancing gigs and handed out biz cards to just about everyone who tipped me and seemed interested. One was at a nude resort, another at a nightclub. I didn’t end up getting any bookings out of that. I know it was just a couple of times but, it was somewhat discouraging.

At the same time, that’s a different crowd. Like I said, people tip drag queens and dancers for the entertainment value. Believe it or not, I actually felt a little odd about being tipped. I’m so used to doing my money behind the scenes, it was very out of my element lol.

It was fun and I enjoyed it, but I realized it was moreso for the cause (dancing to promote something else) versus me wanting to do it just for the sake of it. Not to mention, many of the guys tend to be of the “bar patron” types who don’t really pay like that. It’s a reason why I get most of my clients from RM because: most of them aren’t hanging out at a bar at 12 and 1 a.m. Nothing wrong if they do, hell I do too: but I know when I do, I’m not looking for biz. 
 

I actually met a slightly older guy in San Diego at a bar during my trip. He was hot AF, and even though I could have used a client, I decided to hookup with him for fun…but eventually I did tell him what I do just to “see” what could come of it. He wasn’t trying to pay, but he was cool with it and even revealed he did it in Italy for a short time. We stayed in touch while I was in the area, so I made a new friend with benefits. 
 

To me that’s usually a more productive way of “working” the bars versus trying to find clients.

However, I will say on quiet weekdays or gay bars where it’s very few people (hard to get anyone to stay focus when there’s drinks and 100 people bumping into each other)…I have been known to pass a biz card or show a picture of my Ad and gain a client. So it’s definitely not impossible. 

Edited March 30, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jamie21]

26 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I was in La Jolla San Diego the other week, and that’s a good idea considering the supposed nude beach is supposed to bring out some action. I didn’t cruise, and was just there for a short time…but if I go back in the summer, I’ll be sure to keep some biz cards on hand. 

Let us know how it goes! 

I did go up into the rocky cliff top area above Elia beach for some cruising. It’s good to wander round naked and see who’s up for fun. 
 

 

[Rudynate]

19 hours ago, Rudynate said:

I used to cruise hotel bars looking for DL and bi guys.  I wasn't charging tho.

I started doing this the summer I graduated from high school.  I went to Montreal for a few days and stayed at the Mont Royal Hotel. That was back when upscale hotels often had mens bars that didn't allow women.  I started hanging out in the mens bar and guys starting hitting on me. It was sort of a "Who knew?" moment.

[DWnyc]

Was once in a hotel bar in my 20s and a guy in his 60s came up to me and said “please take this as a compliment but I would like to pay you if you come up to my room and spend an hour with me”. I laughed uncomfortably and looked the other way. 

About an hour later as I was leaving I saw him giving instructions to uniformed cops who were putting handcuffs on a young guy. 

And yes, beware the bait and switch approach. Horny doesn’t always mean generous, and bruised egos from someone who thought you might have been genuinely into them, especially when drunk and high, can do funny things to one’s adrenaline.

[+ Just Sayin]

On 3/29/2023 at 8:26 AM, Rod Hagen said:

Long ago when I was young I was hit on by an older man at the gay WeHo Starbucks, now closed.  My apartment is only 5 minutes away so we walked over.  When we got here I told him I was an escort, and he was fine with that.  I wouldn't have done that if I'd lived farther away and therefore would have wasted a lot of his time, nevertheless it was opportunistic of me.  I saw  him several other times and we still email back and forth, so I don't feel as if I took advantage of him, because he clearly wanted more of me, or at least it doesn't seem as if he ever felt that way, in fact I asked him once, and he said no.

 

The bar at the Peninsula Hotel, Beverly Hills, was for nearly two decades rotten with female prostitutes.  And Gore Vidal (obvs not interested in them.)

@Rod Hagen, have you heard why that Starbucks on Santa Monica closed?  I loved going there and watching the world go by!

[Rudynate]

On 3/30/2023 at 5:02 PM, DWnyc said:

Was once in a hotel bar in my 20s and a guy in his 60s came up to me and said “please take this as a compliment but I would like to pay you if you come up to my room and spend an hour with me”. I laughed uncomfortably and looked the other way. 

About an hour later as I was leaving I saw him giving instructions to uniformed cops who were putting handcuffs on a young guy. 

And yes, beware the bait and switch approach. Horny doesn’t always mean generous, and bruised egos from someone who thought you might have been genuinely into them, especially when drunk and high, can do funny things to one’s adrenaline.

Actually, nearly the same thing happened to me.  A nice-looking  older guy asked me to go to another bar in the hotel and have a drink with him.  He got me rather sloshed and suggested we go to my room.  He didn't offer to pay, so he may not have been vice.  I only said no because I thought he was dreary.  Thinking back on it, I might well have dodged a bullet. 

[DWnyc]

3 hours ago, Rudynate said:

Actually, nearly the same thing happened to me.  A nice-looking  older guy asked me to go to another bar in the hotel and have a drink with him.  He got me rather sloshed and suggested we go to my room.  He didn't offer to pay, so he may not have been vice.  I only said no because I thought he was dreary.  Thinking back on it, I might well have dodged a bullet. 

“He got me sloshed” … also has some worrying implications. 

[DWnyc]

Every so often I’ll see on the online apps someone I’m chatting with suddenly switch to “ok this is what it will cost you” mode. Typically I block or stop engaging at that point (because I’m irritated by the bait and switch).

Had a bizarre experience the other day when after exchanging pics, discussing what might occur, where we were located etc, he suddenly pulled the $ card. I was feeling a bit cheeky, and I replied, “I was about to say the same thing to you!”. Risky as it could have gotten me thrown off I guess. The other party went quiet … but then came back a few mins later with “how much? I’m so horny, I’ll pay you …”. . Cop? Or horny dude who went from thinking he could monetize his libido to the other extreme?

[Simon Suraci]

17 hours ago, DWnyc said:

“I was about to say the same thing to you!”

If I’m interpreting correctly, each party was interested in paying the other for service? What a great indication of a mutual interest match. Truly.

[DWnyc]

26 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

If I’m interpreting correctly, each party was interested in paying the other for service? What a great indication of a mutual interest match. Truly.

No no no …!

I was never going to pay him, so that was zero probability.

I was just joking in reply to his bait and switch (rather than blocking or keeping quiet as I usually do in those situations) really saying (if he could read between the lines) that he’s got the “I have no other option right now” dynamic wrong.

I thought it was funny, and relevant to the subject we’ve discussed on here of real professionals vs those just monetizing their hookups.

I’ve saved the text exchange for my password protected amusement. Every 20 seconds he was saying things like “how much? … I really need to get off … I can bring a friend would that make a difference” all while I was chuckling and not responding. And wondering if he was a cop (and if so a bad one). Because if he could really bring a friend they could take care of each other! 

It’s only newsworthy because of the 180 degree switch in a matter of minutes. “Are you Generous” or “I am generous” is not uncommon to hear on these apps, and I mean no disrespect to anyone particularly given the primary subject matter of this forum 😊

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by DWnyc

[Simon Suraci]

41 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

I was never going to pay him, so that was zero probability.

Thanks for clarifying. This makes a lot more sense in context.

Yeah I often wonder about the whole cops fishing for illegal activity thing, especially online. It’s best to be as prudent as possible and look for hiring or to be hired in the appropriate places. Not hookup apps and the like. Those just are not designed for that, so you’re innately going to get far more of the problem types on both sides of a hiring relationship. Let hookup apps be for…hooking up!

[DWnyc]

2 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Thanks for clarifying. This makes a lot more sense in context.

Yeah I often wonder about the whole cops fishing for illegal activity thing, especially online. It’s best to be as prudent as possible and look for hiring or to be hired in the appropriate places. Not hookup apps and the like. Those just are not designed for that, so you’re innately going to get far more of the problem types on both sides of a hiring relationship. Let hookup apps be for…hooking up!

And let hiring platforms be for hiring and not hooking up. And then half the discussions on this forum might be redundant! 

[MassageAdam]

On 3/29/2023 at 4:14 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Had a friend suggest to me some casinos in the area to post up in. As in: go, sit and have a drink and maybe chat up someone.

I’ve never worked a casino before. I know it’s cameras in all of them. Not that it would need to be obvious, but I also feel such activities are better with a wingman to fall back to in case things go awkward.

 I made a client at a boutique hotel bar last year. But it was spur of moment and unplanned. I’m just feeling limited relying on the RM and A4A platform (which I decided I’m going to get off because it’s barely making me any money lately). 
 

I am working on increasing advertising on mint boys in the lineup. I’m fine with in person scouting at gay bars and clubs, but the guys there usually aren’t looking for a paid arrangement…

I recently did a couple massages with one guy who was staying in the same Casino.  It was nice because it was his room, I didn't have to travel far and he was great.  I saw him twice in 3 days.  I think it might be a good thing to try.