Unprofessionalism

[RadioRob]

Last call to cut the shit.  The next person to go off on a tangent or attack others will enjoy a nice week long break from the site.  

We are all supposed to be adults here. Let’s act like it. 

[ChasingGirth]

2 hours ago, arnemgreeves said:

There are worse things to ask. He could have just said "no, I don't do half-hour sessions". Lots of escorts offer 30 minute sessions. It's far from the taboo you're saying it is. 

What do you do with an escort for 30 min? Just curious. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Time is money, no?

For some guys- both escorts and clients- 30 minutes might be the sweet spot for not only a good time, but a workable business model.  Turn and burn isn't smart long term strategy, but it can work for quick cash with absolutely zero strings.

I don't begrudge anyone for what they want out of this business.  What I do have an issue with is the communication involved in getting to point B.

If it's not for you, just politely decline and move on.  Don't waste time being offended.  It's a foolish fucking time suck.

 

[Guest]

I don't usually take long myself. I've never asked for a 30-minute rate, though. I enjoying lying back and cuddling afterward. 

[+ bashful]

5 hours ago, ChasingGirth said:

What do you do with an escort for 30 min? Just curious. 

Anecdotally, a provided told me years ago he would occasionally go to NYC, and stay in the Financial District. Mid-day was his busiest time with guys who just wanted to "pop and go".

[pubic_assistance]

Pop & Go customers are welcome to shorten their stay....but to me, it's rather like going to the movies.

You're welcome to leave half way through the film, but you're not getting a 50% discount.

Same way you don't pay HALF if you go to a restaurant and only eat half your meal.

 

[Jaroslav]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Same way you don't pay HALF if you go to a restaurant and only eat half your meal.

But some restaurants offer smaller portions for smaller prices. Lots of folks ask for the lunch menu, which is just that. Which, coincidentally, is likely in part reduced because the clientele is fixed for time and have to eat and run.

Edited April 14, 2023 by Jaroslav

[pubic_assistance]

40 minutes ago, Jaroslav said:

Lots of folks ask for the lunch menu,

Which typically is available at lunch, not dinner, and offered by the restaurant, not haggled at the door.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

15 hours ago, arnemgreeves said:

I'd think having tip-top communication skills surely is a requirement here.

This 💯

Especially when communicating in writing, proper and accurate communication is key.

To the original poster's scenario, it all came down to a little poor communication by both parties which exploded out of control.  I give 60/40 blame to the client/provider for how they each phrased their original communication.

[+ José Soplanucas]

There are several threads (or there were) about bargaining. It depends on the context. Prices do not always follow the same rationale.

I remember when I visited Morroc and asked for the price of a silver ring from a street vendor. This was the 90s, so I do not remember the numbers. He gave me a price that I considered too high, and I just thanked him and tried to walk away. I offended him. I was expected to make a counteroffer, he explained to me. I did. He laughed and made gestures with his hands to lower my counteroffer. It was a fun process where I received my first negotiation lesson and paid half of the first price. I do not remember the number, but I will never forget the satisfied expression on the older man's face, shaking my hand enthusiastically for a well-done trade. 

 

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[Jaroslav]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Which typically is available at lunch, not dinner, and offered by the restaurant, not haggled at the door.

I don’t think asking if a 30 minute rate is any different. And asking isn’t haggling. And if you ask a restaurant for a lunch menu, if they’re a decent place, they’re not going to insult your tastes. The point is, options exist. Asking for options is not the problem. How that’s handled is the issue at hand. I don’t see why that’s so difficult to understand.

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, Jaroslav said:

And asking isn’t haggling.

You say that, but this whole discussion started with someone who had a very bad reaction to someone doing just that.

So, I'm gonna guess their take on the "ask" was that the client was haggling.  Which is always tacky.

[Jaroslav]

24 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Which is always tacky.

Nah. 

[+ nycman]

I was in the Marrakech Medina years ago and found an object I really wanted. Before I even approached the seller, I made up my mind that I wasn’t going to pay a penny over $150. Imagine my mortification when he said it was $20, and I knew I had to “haggle’ with him to lower the price. I got it for $17…but I’ve never felt dirtier in my entire life.

I hate haggling….even when I “win”. 

Edited April 14, 2023 by nycman

[Lookin]

1 hour ago, nycman said:

I was in the Marrakech Medina years ago and found an object I really wanted. Before I even approached the seller, I made up my mind that I wasn’t going to pay a penny over $150. Imagine my mortification when he said it was $20, and I knew I had to “haggle’ with him to lower the price. I got it for $17…but I’ve never felt dirtier in my entire life.

I hate haggling….even when I “win”. 

I think it helps to have an idea of what something is worth.  Sometimes you can ask a local what would be a reasonable price.

When I lived in India, bargaining was part of the dance.  If someone marked me as a Westerner and quoted me a price ten times too high, I'd just walk away.  I'd always get called back and we'd start somewhere more reasonable.  I didn't mind paying a little extra and I sure wouldn't grind someone down.  The idea was to buy at a fair price.  If you run into a similar situation, you might try a little bargaining, get the item for $17, and then give the guy an extra five bucks because you had a good time cutting a deal.  Everyone ends up with a smile.  😁 😁

With personal services, it's a whole different story.  For me anyway, it's all about the fantasy.  Ten seconds talking about price is ten seconds too many.  I want the best experience possible and I don't want someone feeling he's been shortchanged.  If I walk away because I can't afford the person's best, I just keep walking.  

[ChasingGirth]

If I was an escort and get a request for 30 min I would laugh and not engage further with the prospect client. 
1 hour is usually barely enough, 30 min is laughable and not in a good way. 
 

if you can’t afford minimum 1 hour just give up unless you are looking for a very transactional meeting.
 

And for the person mentioning that Euro escorts are used to offer 30 min, I’m not sure what they can provide in 30 min. Moreover Euro escorts cost usually between 150 euros to 200 euros on average for an hour, so asking these guys for 30 min is kinda nuts to be honest. .

[Jamie21]

I don’t do half hour sessions. It’s too short but I do occasionally get asked for them. It’s simply not practical for me although I can see how it would work; a quick ‘cum and go’ session for the time pressured or those without the means to pay for longer.

It reminds me of a regular client who was clearly very excited as soon as he had undressed in one of my first sessions with him. He’s a large guy, well built and strong. He likes to pick me up as we cuddle. I suggested on this occasion that we start with a cuddle.

Standing next to the massage table we embraced, he pulled me in close so that his cock was pressed against me (he’s a few inches taller than me). He doesn’t kiss (too intimate- I think there’s some guilt going on unfortunately). Anyway, after a couple of minutes cuddling he says to me “Jamie, I have cum”. Honestly I hadn’t even touched his cock with anything but my stomach. I hadn’t realised he was hard (he’s not especially large down there). He put me down, we part and I see that sure enough he has shot his load over me…. after only about 5 minutes of the session. It could have ended right there. Especially given that once he’s cum he’s one of those guys who becomes all embarrassed and ashamed at what has happened and wants to leave as soon as possible.

He’d booked an hour and it took me a fair bit of persuasion to suggest to him that after his shower he put on his pants and I give him a therapeutic massage and we pretend the cum hadn’t happened. I didn’t want him to leave after 10 minutes nor did I want to charge him full price for that session. It seemed a bit unfair. 

Fortunately after his shower he did agree to stay for a massage (and in fact he did manage to cum again so it was fine). After a number of sessions with him I’ve managed to get him to feel less guilty and be more confident about enjoying his body, which is great! He’s much more confident now and able to control his response better.

This is why I think the quickie cum and go half hour session isn’t something I’d want to do. The client might as well have a wank. Most of the fun and excitement is the anticipation and the build up. The longer that is the more enjoyable the journey and the more delicious is the destination. 
 

 

 

[Jaroslav]

@Jamie21, but you’re also a masseur, primarily, yes? That’s going to take more than 30 minutes. At 30 minutes into a massage, erotic or otherwise, I’m just unwinding. Massages are different than hooking up. You can hookup, if you’re so minded, in less than 10 minutes.

Now – quality is another issue, but quantity isn’t really. You can blow a guy in 30 seconds for $50 behind the bar if you’re so minded. 

[Jamie21]

48 minutes ago, Jaroslav said:

@Jamie21, but you’re also a masseur, primarily, yes? That’s going to take more than 30 minutes. At 30 minutes into a massage, erotic or otherwise, I’m just unwinding. Massages are different than hooking up. You can hookup, if you’re so minded, in less than 10 minutes.

Now – quality is another issue, but quantity isn’t really. You can blow a guy in 30 seconds for $50 behind the bar if you’re so minded. 

Yes, a good massage is ideally around 90mins. But say if someone wanted just head massage, you can do that in 30 minutes. Sometimes clients want just lingam massage, that can also be done in 30 minutes. But my style is more suited to a full body massage with a slow build up.