Jack Stacked is a rip-off artist

[NJmusclelover]

https://rent.men/TheGentlemanJack
 

please stay away from this guy 2 weeks ago I saw his add he was coming to Vegas and asked to set up an appointment for 2/21 7-8pm  he insisted on a $100 deposit so I went against my better judgment and sent it to him 

I texted him to confirm today at 330pm again at 430 pm again at 530pm 6pm and 630pm no response he texts me back at 740pm says he was sleeping he will shower and come over , when I said it was too late now because he didn’t confirm and wouldn’t be here till after 8pm he said I canceled and he’s keeping the money because it’s my fault and I probably jerked off and now I don’t want to pay 

(I have to leave to the airport at 920 pm to pick up my brother so I don’t have enough time ) 

Am I wrong ? 

[+ azdr0710]

did you ask him if he could reschedule some time tomorrow or before he leaves on Thursday?.......(maybe it's too late now because of the heated exchange)

[Gymowner]

i think you could have gotten more with honey than vinegar. so many in life dont have the best self management skills. he probably just get into town and did fall asleep. he said he would come right over... right? so i dont think "rip off artist" was in order. 

its more than likely too late now but telling him you really wanted to see him and was looking forward to the meet up would have been a better plan. asking if you could see him after you pick up your brother could have been an appropriate move and he might have obliged. or met with him and ran late to pick up your brother. so what if you were a little late in getting him. its not the kind of england you are picking up. if he didnt want to wait he could have taken an uber to the hotel.

[+ FrankR]

2 hours ago, Gymowner said:

i think you could have gotten more with honey than vinegar. so many in life dont have the best self management skills. he probably just get into town and did fall asleep. he said he would come right over... right? so i dont think "rip off artist" was in order. 

 

I dont follow your logic. If a legit provider does not have good management skils they should not ask for deposits - a deal is a deal; if you take the deposit you show up at the appointed time. If you cant be there on time you return the deposit. If you don’t, you are not legit in my opinion, and are a rip off.

2 hours ago, Gymowner said:

 

its more than likely too late now but telling him you really wanted to see him and was looking forward to the meet up would have been a better plan. asking if you could see him after you pick up your brother could have been an appropriate move and he might have obliged. or met with him and ran late to pick up your brother. so what if you were a little late in getting him. its not the kind of england you are picking up. if he didnt want to wait he could have taken an uber to the hotel.

My brother is far more important to me than the king of england. You have interesting priorities.

5 hours ago, NJmusclelover said:

 

I texted him to confirm today at 330pm again at 430 pm again at 530pm 6pm and 630pm no response he texts me back at 740pm says he was sleeping he will shower and come over , when I said it was too late now because he didn’t confirm and wouldn’t be here till after 8pm he said I canceled and he’s keeping the money because it’s my fault and I probably jerked off and now I don’t want to pay 

(I have to leave to the airport at 920 pm to pick up my brother so I don’t have enough time ) 

Am I wrong ? 

You were wrong to pay a deposit. He was wrong as a no show and to not return your deposit. I object to his usage of “gentleman” in his profile name - he isnt acting like any gentleman in my book! 

[excelntsvc]

you should explore having your bank reverse the payment ... in some instances it can be done

 

[Gymowner]

I'm having an old classic car restored soon by a company here in town. They had a 9 car wait. I put a $350 deposit down back in december. They said I should be ready by 15th of february. Guess what? I'm still waiting. If I needed the car done exactly on that date and be a flexible person, maybe I would be upset. But I'm not. My age has allowed me less "type a" attitude towards things in life.

And as for the brother being more important that "the king of england", it's ok to go see a hooker, slobber all over the place, get your rocks off then pull your pants up with just enough time to make it to the airport? Ewwww.... what a brother you are!

[DWnyc]

10 minutes ago, Gymowner said:

I'm having an old classic car restored soon by a company here in town. They had a 9 car wait. I put a $350 deposit down back in december. They said I should be ready by 15th of february. Guess what? I'm still waiting. If I needed the car done exactly on that date and be a flexible person, maybe I would be upset. But I'm not. My age has allowed me less "type a" attitude towards things in life.

And as for the brother being more important that "the king of england", it's ok to go see a hooker, slobber all over the place, get your rocks off then pull your pants up with just enough time to make it to the airport? Ewwww.... what a brother you are!

Your standards / situation don’t necessarily apply to others

The OP could likely have still met the unprofessional provider by handling it differently but why should he have to especially after paying a deposit? 

[Gymowner]

i agree with all... to a point. the provider would have been 90 minutes late and into the time the hiree was to have other plans. i understand that. yet for a $100 deposit the hiree could and should imho have tried to seek out another time with the escort. late that evening... into another day etc. 

now if the escort pulled this a second time then yes a smear campaign could have been in order. what i like is that NJ asked our opinion on this even though he already pulled the plug. hindsight i wish he would have asked our advice BEFORE he did such. thats all folks!

[Danny-Darko]

He definitely isn't honest in his business dealings, and it might be how he's gotten by all these decades. I first remember being attracted to his ads on a UK web site many years ago where he advertised in his mid-twenties. Almost a few decades later he's now "thirty"? That said, NEVER trust an escort that askes for a deposit or an advance, or "loan" on services EVEN IF YOU KNOW HIM and have had previous good experiences in the past with the person. It's never worked out for me and I've been conned. We live, we learn! 

[NJmusclelover]

2 hours ago, Gymowner said:

i agree with all... to a point. the provider would have been 90 minutes late and into the time the hiree was to have other plans. i understand that. yet for a $100 deposit the hiree could and should imho have tried to seek out another time with the escort. late that evening... into another day etc. 

now if the escort pulled this a second time then yes a smear campaign could have been in order. what i like is that NJ asked our opinion on this even though he already pulled the plug. hindsight i wish he would have asked our advice BEFORE he did such. thats all folks!

My brother was coming into vegas last night and staying with me till the weekend that’s was the only time I had available 

[myophile]

With very few exceptions, a provider who can’t manage to be where we agreed, at the time we agreed, at the price we agreed, gets struck off my list. If the guy follows up, apologizes, gives a plausible explanation, etc., sometimes I’ll reconsider; but it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The guys I see regularly are as anal (you’ll pardon the expression) as I am about where, when, and how much. Life is too short, and mine in particular is too chaotic, to put up with that crap.

[Danny-Darko]

3 hours ago, NJmusclelover said:

My brother was coming into vegas last night and staying with me till the weekend that’s was the only time I had available 

You need not explain nor justify your situation to us NJmusclelover. The escort was dishonorable and unprofessional and didn't live up to his side of the arraignment. Had he been an honorable person, he's have returned the deposit in good faith and accepted his share of the blame. I wonder how many escorts would keep their appointments and be on time if the clients demanded a fee up front to ensure the escort keeps his appointment and not wastes our time?! And also insure the person who shows up is indeed the person in the pictures advertised and lives up to his agreed service? None would be willing to do so, so why should the client be willing to send a fee in good faith when seldom to they live up to their end of the bargain? They do it because they know gay men are gullible and see it like taking candy away form a baby! And other than cry, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it! It just shows what ill regard these "working boys" have for us gay men that hire. The disdain and contempt that's had for us in general. If absolutely nobody would be willing to give a fee upfront to hold an appointment, none would ask for it because they'd know nobody would be willing to give it! I would only consider a "retainer fee" for hiring an attorney and only after I've had my initial free consultation! Decades ago, HooBoy made this forum so that gentlemen could discuss the hiring of escorts and not only recommend those good ones but also to warn each other about the ones to stay away from, and post reviews about the good and the bad. Sad that this forum seems to be about everything and anything else but those reviews these days. And even when the escort had the last word, those very words often times showed who the escort was and seals his fate. After reading those reviews we saw the common denominators and could decide if they were indeed worth pursuing. It wasn't perfect but it did weed out a lot of scammers and help the careers of a lot of nice guys providing an honest and reliable service.  

[+ KensingtonHomo]

I can understand crashing after a long trip. But once the client couldn't do the later time, the provider should have returned the deposit. The deposit is the client locking in that time. If the client can't make it, the deposit is forfeited. If the provider can't, it should be returned. 

[DWnyc]

My vehement opposition to deposits (paper trail aside) is that I’ve never had one returned where I’ve felt it should have been; providers suddenly switch from being “so professional” business folk to blubbering “almost destitute” types - “I can’t give it back … I spent it for rent / groceries / my family etc. you don’t know how tough things are for me right now ..,” (even though it wasn’t theirs to spend until the appointment was over). 

Not saying everyone taking a deposit would be like this, but this business seems to exhibit Jeckyl and Hyde behavior more than most.

[BtmBearDad]

I’m with @NJmusclelover on this one. While yes, we all can fall victim to jet lag, and crash after a long flight, how one addresses the aftermath of crashing like that -whether it’s in our personal, professional, or hobbyist lives - tells the tale. The way this provider handled things moves him from “unprofessional” to “rip off artist”. 

He took a deposit for a specific window of time, was radio silent for hours on the day when the hobbyist was trying to confirm, replies 40 minutes after he was supposed to be there with an offer to shower, and come over after - and when the client replies that won’t work, this provider flippantly replies that the hobbyist probably just jo’d, and didn’t want to pay for a session, so he’s keeping the deposit since by his twisted logic, the client is cancelling on him. To me, it’s the provider’s last flippant reply that bumps him to rip off artist. 

Sorry this happened to you, NJML - and thank you for this heads up. Something tells me this isn’t the first time, and probably won’t be the last time this provider has pulled a stunt like this. Forewarned is forearmed, so to speak, in this hobby on many fronts. 
 

BBD 

 

[Danny-Darko]

7 hours ago, BtmBearDad said:

I’m with @NJmusclelover on this one. While yes, we all can fall victim to jet lag, and crash after a long flight, how one addresses the aftermath of crashing like that -whether it’s in our personal, professional, or hobbyist lives - tells the tale. The way this provider handled things moves him from “unprofessional” to “rip off artist”. 

He took a deposit for a specific window of time, was radio silent for hours on the day when the hobbyist was trying to confirm, replies 40 minutes after he was supposed to be there with an offer to shower, and come over after - and when the client replies that won’t work, this provider flippantly replies that the hobbyist probably just jo’d, and didn’t want to pay for a session, so he’s keeping the deposit since by his twisted logic, the client is cancelling on him. To me, it’s the provider’s last flippant reply that bumps him to rip off artist. 

Sorry this happened to you, NJML - and thank you for this heads up. Something tells me this isn’t the first time, and probably won’t be the last time this provider has pulled a stunt like this. Forewarned is forearmed, so to speak, in this hobby on many fronts. 
 

BBD 

 

I agree with you. Plus a seasoned escort that travels often knows how he'll feel after a trip and knows if he should take a client or not. I've had escorts politely turn down an offer to meet because they have the policy of "only one client per day" so they can be their best for each. I understand and really respect that! I once had an escort with rave reviews I really wanted to try again politely turn down meeting with me because he'd flying back that day from Seattle WA, back to his home city in Vancouver, BC, Canada! Anybody knows that's not a long trip at all, but he felt that he would not be his best after the trip and wished to schedule the next day after which I would be leaving so it didn't work out for me either since I had a morning flight. Once again, I though very honorable of the escort to wish to be his best and well rested to provide a good service since each person knows their own body.  

Edited February 23, 2023 by Danny-Darko

[CuriousByNature]

1 hour ago, Danny-Darko said:

I agree with you. Plus a seasoned escort that travels often knows how he'll feel after a trip and knows if he should take a client or not. I've had escorts politely turn down an offer to meet because they have the policy of "only one client per day" so they can be their best for each. I understand and really respect that! I once had an escort with rave reviews I really wanted to try again politely turn down meeting with me because he'd flying back that day from Seattle WA, back to his home city in Vancouver, BC, Canada! Anybody knows that not a long trip at all, but he felt that he would not be his best after the trip and wished to schedule the next day after which I would be leaving so it didn't work out for me either since I had a morning flight. Once again, I though very honorable of the escort to wish to be his best and well rested to provide a good service since each person knows their own body.  

Seattle to Vancouver?  You barely reach cruising altitude before the plane starts its descent... 😂

[+ KensingtonHomo]

46 minutes ago, CuriousByNature said:

Seattle to Vancouver?  You barely reach cruising altitude before the plane starts its descent... 😂

True, but if you book an appointment and then your flight is delayed or canceled, you could run into trouble. 

[Danny-Darko]

4 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

True, but if you book an appointment and then your flight is delayed or canceled, you could run into trouble. 

I agree, but maybe he was taking into consideration that he was tied from the whole trip which he'd be working. Anyway, I respected him for that and though it horrible of him to be upfront about it. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

On 2/22/2023 at 9:05 PM, Danny-Darko said:

HooBoy made this forum so that gentlemen could discuss the hiring of escorts and not only recommend those good ones but also to warn each other about the ones to stay away from, and post reviews about the good and the bad. Sad that this forum seems to be about everything and anything else but those reviews these days.

HB created the original board and review site to let guys share info on both ends of the spectrum.  He was one of the first creators in his position to be directly pro-escort, going as far as to have multiple private spaces on the board meant for escort access only. 

He started both the board and the review site as a creative brainstorm with Aaron Lawrence.  The real secret to his sauce...  What he did better than anyone was understand how to properly monetize his site without charging a penny.  Grated, at that time, it was a lot easier than it is now.  

The forum changed because it had to.  Same with the reviews.  We continue to roll with it.

 

[Jayse]

On 2/22/2023 at 7:49 AM, excelntsvc said:

you should explore having your bank reverse the payment ... in some instances it can be done

 

Yes, he should call his bank and explain he was making a deposit for a hooker that was a no show. They will investigate and help him recoup his loss. 🫣

Edited January 13 by Jayse

[Jamie21]

On 2/22/2023 at 4:09 AM, NJmusclelover said:

https://rent.men/TheGentlemanJack
 

please stay away from this guy 2 weeks ago I saw his add he was coming to Vegas and asked to set up an appointment for 2/21 7-8pm  he insisted on a $100 deposit so I went against my better judgment and sent it to him 

I texted him to confirm today at 330pm again at 430 pm again at 530pm 6pm and 630pm no response he texts me back at 740pm says he was sleeping he will shower and come over , when I said it was too late now because he didn’t confirm and wouldn’t be here till after 8pm he said I canceled and he’s keeping the money because it’s my fault and I probably jerked off and now I don’t want to pay 

(I have to leave to the airport at 920 pm to pick up my brother so I don’t have enough time ) 

Am I wrong ? 

Not wrong in any way whatsoever!. He’s unprofessional and wasted your time. It’s his fault and he should refund you the deposit.

He should have turned up just before 7, as arranged or should have messaged you before 7 if for unavoidable reasons he’d be late to give you the option to reschedule to later or refund you. This should just be normal professional behavior and you shouldn’t put up with any lame excuses like “I was asleep”. 

[guru68]

4 hours ago, Jayse said:

Yes, he should call his bank and explain he was making a deposit for a hooker that was a no show. They will investigate and help him recoup his loss. 🫣

Call him a furniture mover.

[Moke]

Thanks for the warning.  I'm blocking this douche.  And recommitting to never paying a deposit.  

[Lazarus]

This is the guy that would make a great Santa Claus.