What to do with clients that cancel last minute?

[coriolis888]

On 9/10/2022 at 11:31 PM, Guest said:

It's been pointed out by people smarter and more experienced than myself that escorts will rarely drastically lower their rates or expectations. They are more likely to leave the industry or add other sources of income. 

I can tell by your comment that you have not spent much time in Brazil.   

Prior to the coronavirus pandemic, many providers (garotos de programmas) in Brazil were gradually increasing their fees. 

However, when the coronavirus hit Brazil, as it hit nearly everywhere else in the world, providers had a drastically smaller inventory of buyers for their services. 

Consequently, the prices for the services of garotos went down until the virus got better controlled. 

The garotos could not leave the industry because unemployment in other occupations was at drastically high  levels.  There was no work!

I believe a similar situation happened with many providers in numerous parts of the world.  

I also believe that the coronavirus qualifies as a rare situation that caused a reduction in fee prices.   

If certain economists are correct with their predictions that a recession will hit next year, I predict that providers as well as many other occupations will lower their prices considering the economy will be in the tank.  

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by coriolis888
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[Jarrod_Uncut]

13 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

I can tell by your comment that you have not spent much time in Brazil.   

Prior to the coronavirus pandemic, many providers (garotos de programmas) in Brazil were gradually increasing their fees. 

However, when the coronavirus hit Brazil, as it hit nearly everywhere else in the world, providers had a drastically smaller inventory of buyers for their services. 

Consequently, the prices for the services of garotos went down until the virus got better controlled. 

The garotos could not leave the industry because unemployment in other occupations was at drastically high  levels.  There was no work!

I believe a similar situation happened with many providers in numerous parts of the world.  

I also believe that the coronavirus qualifies as a rare situation that caused a reduction in fee prices.   

If certain economists are correct with their predictions that a recession will hit next year, I predict that providers as well as many other occupations will lower their prices considering the economy will be in the tank.  

 

I thought we were already been in a recession technically since the summer. But I guess not:

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/are-we-in-a-recession/

It’s seems we’ve been back and forth in a recession ever since Covid, when Tr**p got elected, When B**en got elected, etc. Recessions seem to happen every year. And in our biz it’s almost like every month there’s a recession depending on who does or doesn’t gets paid 😆 Idk exactly what recession everyone is speculating on.

If talking about a big housing market crash type of recession, then…idk. Maybe that’ll be a good thing if it can lower rents back down to Pre-2016 levels when everything seemed to have went berserk. Get those 2003 rent prices back, and maybe then I’ll consider charging only $150 😆 

Edited December 7, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[coriolis888]

2 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

We’re already been in a recession Technically. It started back in the summer. 
 

Hell, we’ve been back and forth in a recession ever since Covid, when Tr**p got elected, When B**en got elected, etc. Recessions seem to happen every year. And in our biz it’s almost like every month there’s a recession depending on who does or doesn’t gets paid 😆 Idk exactly what recession everyone is speculating on.

If talking about a big housing market crash type of recession, then…idk. Maybe that’ll be a good thing if it can lower rents back down to Pre-2016 levels when everything seemed to have went berserk.

The financial downturn recently and currently being experienced in the U.S. and most parts of the world is not a recession or depression.  

If you have time with nothing better to do, check out some of the books referenced in the below link.  The last real recession quickly turned into a depression and most of the world went through financial and other hell.  

https://explorethearchive.com/books-about-the-great-depression

Escorting and most other occupations could very well be drastically affected later next year. 

Escorts missing an appointment because a client did not show will be nothing compared to what is predicted (financial disaster) by well known respected economists.   

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

14 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

I can tell by your comment that you have not spent much time in Brazil.   

Apples to oranges discussion.  Brazil is not a first-world country.  

What most here are talking about are rates in US, as well as major European and Asian cities. 

Yeah, guys still go to the ends of the earth for cheap sexual tourism, but even the reliable standbys are no longer what they used to be. 

Bottom line, you're talking about a whole different system (saunas) and, frankly, a whole other nation.  

Added, this continues to be the world's oldest profession.  It's not going anywhere anytime soon, well-respected economists be damned.  They say this every 12-15 years and have for decades.

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Apples to oranges discussion.  Brazil is not a first-world country.  

What most here are talking about are rates in US, as well as major European and Asian cities. 

Yeah, guys still go to the ends of the earth for cheap sexual tourism, but even the reliable standbys are no longer what they used to be. 

Bottom line, you're talking about a whole different system (saunas) and, frankly, a whole other nation.  

Added, this continues to be the world's oldest profession.  It's not going anywhere anytime soon, well-respected economists be damned.  They say this every 12-15 years and have for decades.

I agree. Prices won’t drop. The elasticity of demand is low for sex work. It’s because there isn’t a natural substitute. If you’re horny and want guaranteed effective relief then what else would you do? Spend the money on a slap up meal? Buy a new pair of shoes? You might try to get yourself off but that won’t scratch the itch. No, the best way is go to an expert. It’s been that way for thousands of years. A recession won’t change it. 

I think there’s a bit of wishful thinking going on with those who expect the market to be flooded with sex workers offering cheap sessions. A few people might join the industry thinking it’s easy but they’ll soon realise they’re not up to it and leave. 

[coriolis888]

3 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Apples to oranges discussion.  Brazil is not a first-world country.  

What most here are talking about are rates in US, as well as major European and Asian cities. 

Bottom line, you're talking about a whole different system (saunas) and, frankly, a whole other nation.  

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You are usually "right on" the mark when it comes to responding to posts. 

However, in this case you are misjudging Brazil.  Maybe because you have not spent much time there, if any. 

In the U.S., many providers use a website called rentmen.eu.  The site is based in Europe and includes advertisements from providers based all over the world, including Brazil. 

Although Brazil is technically called a third world country, it has a great economy and is greatly involved in world exports, including coffee and food supplies.  

There are many places in Brazil where providers meet clients.  The saunas are only one small segment of where clients can meet providers.  

There are movie houses, massage centers, parks, streets and many websites that allow Brazilian escorts to advertise their services to the public.  

Below is merely one site that graphically shows countless escorts advertising their services.  

Considering I visit Brazil often, I know for a fact that providers over the past two years are not making the fees they made prior to the coronavirus pandemic hitting Brazil and the down flux of their economy.  

Below is merely one site that advertises providers.  On the site, most providers post their rates.  Visit the site and see how low the rates are. 

Of course, you have no comparison to what the prices were prior to the pandemic hitting the world, but the rates were higher, that I know from experience.  

https://www.vivalocal.com/acompanhantes-gays/jardim-paulista/marcelo-1-86-alt-86kg-25cm-bem-grosso/305119188

And, in keeping with the title of the thread, even providers from Brazil experience a lot of "no shows" and cancellations of scheduled appointments made with clients from the web sites and other sources.  

Cancellations just go with the territory.  It is with most businesses.  People change their minds or things come up and appointments are not kept.  

[coriolis888]

1 hour ago, Jamie21 said:

I agree. Prices won’t drop. The elasticity of demand is low for sex work. It’s because there isn’t a natural substitute. If you’re horny and want guaranteed effective relief then what else would you do? Spend the money on a slap up meal? Buy a new pair of shoes? You might try to get yourself off but that won’t scratch the itch. No, the best way is go to an expert. It’s been that way for thousands of years. A recession won’t change it. 

I think there’s a bit of wishful thinking going on with those who expect the market to be flooded with sex workers offering cheap sessions. A few people might join the industry thinking it’s easy but they’ll soon realize they’re not up to it and leave. 

A true recession and later depression will certainly change the rates of escorts. 

Why?

Countless people will be without jobs.  Without jobs, they will not be able to pay their expenses.  Money for an escort will be little more than a wishful dream.  

Again, look into what a true depression is.  The frequent semi-recessions the world has experienced over the past couple of years is predicted, by numerous respected economists, to become a major recession and then followed by a true depression.

If or when a depression happens, the last thing on the mind of clients will be to look for an escort to spend money that is not there. 

Read your history books on the depression that no one thought was coming, but it did.    

Edited December 8, 2022 by coriolis888
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[Midtownguy99]

My rule of thumb. If there is a quality provider I know I want to meet I will contact him for an appointment and pay a 50% deposit of the appointment time. No questions asked. This puts us both at ease. He knows he will be taken care of with me paying him, and I know I will get the confirmed time that works best for me. 

Once I’ve met the provider, I will pay 100% of their fee when booking the next appointment. This works best for me and any provider I’ve hired. It seems like a win win for both parties, I’m not sure why all clients don’t follow suit. 

[MikeBiDude]

2 hours ago, Midtownguy99 said:

My rule of thumb. If there is a quality provider I know I want to meet I will contact him for an appointment and pay a 50% deposit of the appointment time. No questions asked. This puts us both at ease. He knows he will be taken care of with me paying him, and I know I will get the confirmed time that works best for me. 

Once I’ve met the provider, I will pay 100% of their fee when booking the next appointment. This works best for me and any provider I’ve hired. It seems like a win win for both parties, I’m not sure why all clients don’t follow suit. 

That’s a most unusual paradigm. I’d guess you’re in a minority of clients who compensate ahead like that.

[Midtownguy99]

1 hour ago, MikeBiDude said:

That’s a most unusual paradigm. I’d guess you’re in a minority of clients who compensate ahead like that.

This is only for providers who travel to my city. If they text me and say they are planning a visit and only have a few days here, I absolutely will pay a deposit to secure my time with them. It’s not always 100%, but the point is deposits need to be paid especially with several clients cancelling without notice when the providers are paying so much in travel costs and depending on making the money from appointments that we book. I always put myself in their shoes and have the most respect for what these guys do. 

[Jamie21]

6 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

A true recession and later depression will certainly change the rates of escorts. 

Why?

Countless people will be without jobs.  Without jobs, they will not be able to pay their expenses.  Money for an escort will be little more than a wishful dream.  

Again, look into what a true depression is.  The frequent semi-recessions the world has experienced over the past couple of years is predicted, by numerous respected economists, to become a major recession and then followed by a true depression.

If or when a depression happens, the last thing on the mind of clients will be to look for an escort to spend money that is not there. 

Read your history books on the depression that no one thought was coming, but it did.    

The Great Depression was caused by mistakes in management of the economy by governments, fixed exchange rates and protectionist policies on trade. I’m simplifying it but in essence it was avoidable had leaders made different decisions. There’s better understanding now of these things. No one can predict the future but the likelihood of another depression like that is low. 

Anyway, this isn’t a macro economics thread, or about history. We’ve gone off subject. This is about no shows. I don’t get many (1 in 100) because I have good screening and I don’t work at the bottom end of the market. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

If paid sex goes out of business, then so would drugs, alcohol, weed and sporting events.
 

I think what does affect more than anything, is peoples perceptions. One reason I am finding hookup apps more  repulsive, is the majority in there have an expected perception that gay sex should be free. Anytime someone does differently, it bruises their fragile ego. They want free pics, free vids, free time, free everything. And it’s not that free is bad IF it’s balanced. It’s their lack of appreciation and entitlement is fucked up.  (I have known guys who hookup with men who are much better off financially, yet leave empty handed). 

Also let’s be real: I know of many clients who have their “free sex” options, but they still come around and spend for what they want. I understand economy talks but, I think things need to be taken more into consideration.

Remember how many guys were dropping out during the initial Covid lockdowns and such? Well: that actually happened to be some of my best months. Hotels were cheap, clients were out of work or if they had businesses they closed them to get their hands on “other” things 😆 

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jamie21]

40 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

If paid sex goes out of business, then so would drugs, alcohol, weed and sporting events.
 

I think what does affect more than anything, is peoples perceptions. One reason I am finding hookup apps more  repulsive, is the majority in there have an expected perception that gay sex should be free. Anytime someone does differently, it bruises their fragile ego. They want free pics, free vids, free time, free everything. And it’s not that free is bad IF it’s balanced. It’s their lack of appreciation and entitlement is fucked up.  (I have known guys who hookup with men who are much better off financially, yet leave empty handed). 

Also let’s be real: I know of many clients who have their “free sex” options, but they still come around and spend for what they want. I understand economy talks but, I think things need to be taken more into consideration.

Remember how many guys were dropping out during the initial Covid lockdowns and such? Well: that actually happened to be some of my best months. Hotels were cheap, clients were out of work or if they had businesses they closed them to get their hands on “other” things 😆 

 

Yes, ‘free’ sex is available, through hook up apps and at saunas or the like. Guys that think ‘why should I pay when I can get the same free on Grindr’ don’t understand the difference. On Grindr you’ll spend hours trying to line someone up, if they agree to meet you’ll likely find that they aren’t much interested in satisfying your needs (but they want you to satisfy theirs), and they probably aren’t much good at anything. So you saved some money but wasted your time.

If you hire a professional you’ll find they will make themselves available much more readily, they’re focused on your needs, they know what they’re doing and you can just relax and enjoy yourself. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

7 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Yes, ‘free’ sex is available, through hook up apps and at saunas or the like. Guys that think ‘why should I pay when I can get the same free on Grindr’ don’t understand the difference. On Grindr you’ll spend hours trying to line someone up, if they agree to meet you’ll likely find that they aren’t much interested in satisfying your needs (but they want you to satisfy theirs), and they probably aren’t much good at anything. So you saved some money but wasted your time.

If you hire a professional you’ll find they will make themselves available much more readily, they’re focused on your needs, they know what they’re doing and you can just relax and enjoy yourself. 

The hard part, is convincing some of the more attractive Middle aged men to get the idea. I sent a guy who I met some years ago in Nashville a video with my RentMen watermark (and for the record, idk why there’s dozens of escorts advertising in that town anymore. I used to go and book  up clients, now I’m lucky to get 1 or 2 bookings and all the clients have a shitty attitude).

He’s like, what’s RentMen? So some of these people aren’t even aware. Then when I mention the content I sell he throws some catty comment about “maybe charging me to come over”. I told him what he didn’t want to hear and must have hurt his lil feelings  because haven’t heard from him since lol. So I haven’t met him since like 3-4 years ago, but he wants me to keep exchanging more pics/vids for free?

And here’s the kicker: he’s like, “I’m not looking to hookup 🤦🏾‍♂️ But he just wants to use me for free material trading.

 

[Jamie21]

4 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

The hard part, is convincing some of the more attractive Middle aged men to get the idea. I sent a guy who I met some years ago in Nashville a video with my RentMen watermark (and for the record, idk why there’s dozens of escorts advertising in that town anymore. I used to go and book  up clients, now I’m lucky to get 1 or 2 bookings and all the clients have a shitty attitude).

He’s like, what’s RentMen? So some of these people aren’t even aware. Then when I mention the content I sell he throws some catty comment about “maybe charging me to come over”. I told him what he didn’t want to hear and must have hurt his lil feelings  because haven’t heard from him since lol. So I haven’t met him since like 3-4 years ago, but he wants me to keep exchanging more pics/vids for free?

And here’s the kicker: he’s like, “I’m not looking to hookup 🤦🏾‍♂️ But he just wants to use me for free material trading.

 

Yes I had a regular client recently ask me for clips from my porn. I gave him the website, which of course he has to subscribe to, and he replied with ‘I don’t pay for porn’. Well that’s fine of course there’s plenty of free porn out there but you pay for mine. Some of it is on the free tube sites (not pirated, I put it there) but if you want to watch them all then you’re going to have to pay. It costs to make decent films. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

18 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

If you hire a professional you’ll find they will make themselves available much more readily, they’re focused on your needs, they know what they’re doing and you can just relax and enjoy yourself

This 💯