why do you not put your rate on your profile?

[young11]

I am wondering why most providers do not post their rate on their profiles. For most guys, it seems like the rate is fixed, so why not put it there? I understand for some who travel so much it is easier not to put but others who stay in the same city, it is a lot easier not to ask everyone for their rate....Also, whatsapp requires us to add them into addressbook to text them, so I don't wanna add so many numbers in my phone just to figure out someone's rate...

[Hlparx]

50 minutes ago, young11 said:

I am wondering why most providers do not post their rate on their profiles. For most guys, it seems like the rate is fixed, so why not put it there? I understand for some who travel so much it is easier not to put but others who stay in the same city, it is a lot easier not to ask everyone for their rate....Also, whatsapp requires us to add them into addressbook to text them, so I don't wanna add so many numbers in my phone just to figure out someone's rate...

Not a provider, but rates aren’t posted by US providers because RM won’t let them.  Not sure where you live, but if it’s in the US, that’s why can’t see rates.

As for WhatsApp, you can download an app that will let you text a WhatsApp number without putting the number into your address book.  The Android app is called WhatsDirect.  The iOS one is Dialer for WhatsApp.

Edited January 9, 2022 by Hlparx

[Jamie21]

My rate is on my Rentmasseur profile. But the website doesn’t enable one to put different rates on there, for example if you have a variety of massage options or durations. It only seems to allow an in call rate and an outcall rate. 
I put more information about rates on my website.

[Shawn Monroe]

It’s because after SESTA and FOSTA were passed in 2018, rentmen took ads off the site in the US, to try to rid themselves of liability. Some other things changed too. If you try to put them in your profile they’ll edit them out. It’s not up to us. 

[+ Tygerscent]

7 hours ago, young11 said:

I am wondering why most providers do not post their rate on their profiles. For most guys, it seems like the rate is fixed, so why not put it there? I understand for some who travel so much it is easier not to put but others who stay in the same city, it is a lot easier not to ask everyone for their rate....Also, whatsapp requires us to add them into addressbook to text them, so I don't wanna add so many numbers in my phone just to figure out someone's rate...

None of the provider profile sites are allowed to legally post their rates here in the states~ The states also sensor what you are allowed to write with regard to specific words that might be construed as prostitution or sexual solicitation. They also can sensor what type of image and video content you are allowed to post~ Some states have rigid pornography laws, (sales, purchase, possession). Other states target providers other ways~ At one time, NYC imposed a law saying they could use the number of condoms in your possession as evidence that you were committing various crimes~ I think that may have changed around 2013.

 I post my rates but, only on my euro profile and it’s only visible outside of the states~ 
 Otherwise, people have to contact the provider and have a chat~ 
 
 

[BabyBoomer]

Here's a subtle way to post your rate.

https://rentmen.eu/MattAnthony

Scroll all the way down to the hashtags.

#240perhour

~Boomer~

[Quincy_7]

15 hours ago, Hlparx said:

 

As for WhatsApp, you can download an app that will let you text a WhatsApp number without putting the number into your address book.  The Android app is called WhatsDirect.  The iOS one is Dialer for WhatsApp.

 

Do the apps allow you to use a burner number to message people?

[handiacefailure]

I wish they still allowed rates to be posted.   If a providers rate was too high I wouldn't be wasting either their time or my time contacting them.

Also helped when travelling as well knowing if they could do an incall or not.   There're times I have to travel for work where I don't want an escort coming to my room.   

[Hlparx]

6 hours ago, Quincy_7 said:

 

Do the apps allow you to use a burner number to message people?

I'm not sure I understand your question., so I'll answer the one I think you're asking:  Can you use a burner app to generate a number that can be used on WhatsApp and the like?

Yes, but it depends on what burner app you use.  You need to generate the burner number, then register the number on WhatsApp.

FWIW, I do wish that more US providers used WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal.

[rvwnsd]

FWIW, rates are displayed when using the much-maligned Rentmen Messenger app. Not many providers post them, but there are some who do.  This provider, for example, is based in San Francisco:

 

 

I'm not using a VPN to access his profile via the app. Just good ol' Verizon Wireless.

[italianboyph]

when I first started using RM they allowed you to post your rates on there, it soon changed right after. It’s the same with them changing the term escort to performer/porn star. I do wish they’d let us in the US post it though.

[young11]

Thanks for many responses about the US law. I live in Europe so it is legal in most countries, but I don't see any rates from most profiles on rent men eu, and hunqz. So I am guessing there is more to this?

[Jamie21]

12 hours ago, young11 said:

Thanks for many responses about the US law. I live in Europe so it is legal in most countries, but I don't see any rates from most profiles on rent men eu, and hunqz. So I am guessing there is more to this?

If it says “ask for rates” they’re probably operating a dynamic pricing model …a bit like Uber do with surge pricing or like low cost airlines do with managing load factors (there’s a joke there somewhere…). If it’s a quiet day and he’s not otherwise busy you might get a good price, but if he’s already had 3 clients that day and can’t be bothered you’ll get quoted a high rate. 

Guys operating in this business are very adept at managing demand through prices, marketing and such. I’ve learned more about this stuff by doing sex work than I did doing a business degree…

[young11]

15 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

If it says “ask for rates” they’re probably operating a dynamic pricing model …a bit like Uber do with surge pricing or like low cost airlines do with managing load factors (there’s a joke there somewhere…). If it’s a quiet day and he’s not otherwise busy you might get a good price, but if he’s already had 3 clients that day and can’t be bothered you’ll get quoted a high rate. 

Guys operating in this business are very adept at managing demand through prices, marketing and such. I’ve learned more about this stuff by doing sex work than I did doing a business degree…

So if someone had three clients he would quote a high price and end up not being able to perform? That sounds like such a bad business decision because someone will be paying a lot but will be disappointed, and ended up with a bad review... unless someone can perform countless times within a day... If one doesn't want a new client on a certain day, why don't they just log off and restart fresh next day... 

[mike carey]

15 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

like low cost airlines do with managing load factors (there’s a joke there somewhere

Well played!

Aside from the reasons a provider might post 'ask for rates', seeing that on an ad indicates that the platform allows rates to be posted. If the posting of rates were not permitted, even 'ask' implies the existence of rates, and the platform wants to maintain the fiction that they do not.

Edited January 13, 2022 by mike carey

[Jamie21]

4 hours ago, young11 said:

So if someone had three clients he would quote a high price and end up not being able to perform? That sounds like such a bad business decision because someone will be paying a lot but will be disappointed, and ended up with a bad review... unless someone can perform countless times within a day... If one doesn't want a new client on a certain day, why don't they just log off and restart fresh next day... 

It’s the price point at which performance is still possible (blue pills) but it’s a take it or leave it mindset. ‘I’ve done my work for today but well…if you’ll pay a premium I’ll fit you in’ type of thing. It’s not what I do (my rates are on my advert) but I know some guys do it. No problem with it: they must get enough clients so it’s just a way of managing demand. 

[Shawn Monroe]

On 1/12/2022 at 11:48 PM, mike carey said:

Well played!

Aside from the reasons a provider might post 'ask for rates', seeing that on an ad indicates that the platform allows rates to be posted. If the posting of rates were not permitted, even 'ask' implies the existence of rates, and the platform wants to maintain the fiction that they do not.

Rentmasseur still shows rates in the US, with the option to put “ask for rates”. Rentmen doesn’t show them on profiles in the us but there is still the “ask” option. 

[Ryanwattsxxx]

I have my rates in an auto reply on the rentmen messenger. It’s really like a FAQ and an attempt to keep people from straight up asking me for prostitution. I think it’s helpful. 

[mike carey]

4 hours ago, Shawn Monroe said:

Rentmasseur still shows rates in the US, with the option to put “ask for rates”. Rentmen doesn’t show them on profiles in the us but there is still the “ask” option. 

Thanks for the clarification/correction, Shawn. I dad been thinking about Rentmen when I wrote that, and obviously based on what I see as a client there. In other countries the rates show near the top of the ad with rates for In, Out and Overnight allowed. That can either nave a number or the word 'ask' in each field. I haven't seen those fields in ads for any escorts in the US (I clearly haven't looked at them all). I haven't seen 'ask me' about rates for escorts there either, although if it's not where I'm used to seeing it where I do for non-US escorts, I could easily have missed it.

[harlow]

On 1/10/2022 at 8:00 AM, Quincy_7 said:

 

Do the apps allow you to use a burner number to message people?

Yes WhatsApp allows burner numbers. It’s what I use. 

[Alex93108]

I concur with dynamic pricing model. Especially in markets where locals and foreigner pricing differ greatly - though I usually don't mind considering rentmen charges 100 dollars month just to exist, and usually I get a quality experience in these markets at the foreigner rate.

I've paid in expensive places like London, and received crap in return.  

Just because you pay more doesn't mean you get something better. This has been discussed ad nauseam. 

 

[+ Tygerscent]

On 1/10/2022 at 8:41 PM, italianboyph said:

when I first started using RM they allowed you to post your rates on there, it soon changed right after. It’s the same with them changing the term escort to performer/porn star. I do wish they’d let us in the US post it though.

The site changed owners and along with it, came lots of new and extra charges to escorts: rentmen of the day, interview of the day, platinum boost, sponsor fees, couldn’t post fees in the states, couldn’t use certain language in the states, for a time, “about me” section was limited to certain number of characters… Some of the changes were due to human trafficking law changes in the states. Those started around the same time of 2257 compliance in the early 2000’s but, conservative administrations after that put into motion new laws, (especially the trump administration), and that really tightened the Vice on the adult industry. 
 The stigma around the various adult industry professions in the states doesn’t help either~ 
 Pushing back and demanding fair representation as legitimate taxable vocations would help in all kinds of ways but, the push to get that isn’t a priority here it seems~ Unfortunate because not being recognized as legitimate also increases costs/social burden on things like health care and law enforcement~