Why do you think there are relatively few providers on this board?

[rn901]

When I disagreed with some people on here, I was told that I'm not advertising myself well and/or that I need to use my real provider name (yes, I know contradictory claims). The common denominator in those two contradictory arguments though is this is a space where we, as providers, are not welcome or encouraged to express ourselves freely (or as freely as clients). 

The site also attracts the clients who like to complain the most. I barely spend enough time on RM, let alone come on here to read the Karens and Kevins of the industry pile on someone else. It's an emotionally taxing job as it is, many don't want to make it any more taxing by coming on here.  It's a shame because there are some interesting clients on here who talk about interesting things(about and outside this kind of work), but it's ruined by a culture of entitlement other clients perpetuate. Shawn Monroe, Aaron Bauder and others describe the problems with this culture well. I don't see it changing for the better any time soon. 

Edited December 30, 2021 by rn901

[coriolis888]

41 minutes ago, rn901 said:

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The site also attracts the clients who like to complain the most.

Please let me modify what you wrote.  This site attracts some clients who deservedly like to complain about being cheated or misled. 

Many clients have been lied to by escorts and cheated.  Countess rentmen ads contain stolen or outdated photos which do not accurately portray the provider.

Fortunately, in between the dishonest escorts are great escorts to offset the bad ones.  

For a client to complain about giving an escort money in advance is a legitimate complaint because there is a trend for many providers to insist on payment in advance then not deliver.   

Ignoring this forum, if you read the written narratives on rentmen about many providers (you need a VPN to see the written narratives) on rentmen), the chief complaint is that a provider insisted on money in advance and then did not deliver as agreed. 

No, this site does not attract the clients who like to complain.  This site attracts, among other things, clients who have been ripped off because they paid a provider in advance and the provider did not deliver the promised goods.  

And, of course, this site also attracts like-minded people who like to discuss providers.  

[rn901]

27 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

Please let me modify what you wrote.  This site attracts some clients who deservedly like to complain about being cheated or misled. 

Many clients have been lied to by escorts and cheated.  Countess rentmen ads contain stolen or outdated photos which do not accurately portray the provider.

Fortunately, in between the dishonest escorts are great escorts to offset the bad ones.  

For a client to complain about giving an escort money in advance is a legitimate complaint because there is a trend for many providers to insist on payment in advance then not deliver.   

Ignoring this forum, if you read the written narratives on rentmen about many providers (you need a VPN to see the written narratives) on rentmen), the chief complaint is that a provider insisted on money in advance and then did not deliver as agreed. 

No, this site does not attract the clients who like to complain.  This site attracts, among other things, clients who have been ripped off because they paid a provider in advance and the provider did not deliver the promised goods.  

And, of course, this site also attracts like-minded people who like to discuss providers.  

 

I'm sorry I didn't realize this was Ask A Client forum. No one said those escorts don't exist and that there aren't clients with legitimate grievances. Pointing out that this site also attracts the clients who complain the most in no way contradicts or negates any of that. So no, you don't need to modify what I said in the Ask A Provider forum. Pointing out that this site can attract some of the worst clients actually answers and addresses the original question- why so few providers come on here. Your response is kind of an example to what people are talking about. 

Edited December 30, 2021 by rn901

[coriolis888]

12 minutes ago, rn901 said:

 

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Pointing out that this site can attract some of the worst clients actually answers and addresses the original question- why so few providers come on here.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

If a client had not been ripped off by an escort, the client would not come here to complain.  

"He said - she said" facto does not solve anything. 

Use a VPN and read rentmen reviews for the narratives that repeatedly show clients getting ripped off by dishonest escorts.  

Unquestionably, there are escorts who are dishonest.  When a client gets ripped off by one of those dishonest escorts, clients complain. 

Conversely, not all escorts are dishonest.  if the client is treated well and if the escort keeps his word about what will happen, there would be no need for a client to come here to complain.  

Occasionally, there are some rather weird escorts who sometimes post here.  Not long ago there was an escort telling the forum that a client should be "grateful" to have him as an escort.  Grateful?  Why?  The escort is getting paid in accordance with an agreement.  There is no need for gratitude or being grateful. 

That same escort also stated that if an escort gets money in advance from a client an then does not deliver as agreed, it is the fault of the client for not checking out the escort's reputation. 

There are many escorts that post to this forum.  Some are quite interesting and quite amenable.  

 

[rn901]

14 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

If a client had not been ripped off by an escort, the client would not come here to complain.  

"He said - she said" facto does not solve anything. 

Use a VPN and read rentmen reviews for the narratives that repeatedly show clients getting ripped off by dishonest escorts.  

Unquestionably, there are escorts who are dishonest.  When a client gets ripped off by one of those dishonest escorts, clients complain. 

Conversely, not all escorts are dishonest.  if the client is treated well and if the escort keeps his word about what will happen, there would be no need for a client to come here to complain.  

Occasionally, there are some rather weird escorts who sometimes post here.  Not long ago there was an escort telling the forum that a client should be "grateful" to have him as an escort.  Grateful?  Why?  The escort is getting paid in accordance with an agreement.  There is no need for gratitude or being grateful. 

That same escort also stated that if an escort gets money in advance from a client an then does not deliver as agreed, it is the fault of the client for not checking out the escort's reputation. 

There are many escorts that post to this forum.  Some are quite interesting and quite amenable.  

 

Again no one said there aren't legitimate complaints by reasonable clients about various escorts. That in no way addresses the question that was not even asked of you. What I said in no way negates that. 

"Conversely, not all escorts are dishonest.  if the client is treated well and if the escort keeps his word about what will happen, there would be no need for a client to come here to complain. "

Wrong. That takes the presumption that every client is in the right in every circumstance when they come to anonymously complain on an anonymous forum. Many come on here to complain about a wide host of matters and reasons, and such an environment can and has attracted the worst of clients and their toxic behavior/attitudes. Acknowledging that reality is to not say there aren't good reasonable clients on here or that there aren't clients who come on here with legitimate grievances. I don't know how to make this any more clear.  Additionally, the original question asks why few providers come on here. Apparently not everyone is in consensus with your view that there are plenty on here. 

Edited December 30, 2021 by rn901

[jtwalker]

6 hours ago, rn901 said:

Again no one said there aren't legitimate complaints by reasonable clients about various escorts. That in no way addresses the question that was not even asked of you. What I said in no way negates that. 

"Conversely, not all escorts are dishonest.  if the client is treated well and if the escort keeps his word about what will happen, there would be no need for a client to come here to complain. "

Wrong. That takes the presumption that every client is in the right in every circumstance when they come to anonymously complain on an anonymous forum. Many come on here to complain about a wide host of matters and reasons, and such an environment can and has attracted the worst of clients and their toxic behavior/attitudes. Acknowledging that reality is to not say there aren't good reasonable clients on here or that there aren't clients who come on here with legitimate grievances. I don't know how to make this any more clear.  Additionally, the original question asks why few providers come on here. Apparently not everyone is in consensus with your view that there are plenty on here. 

I think your points were proven well even in this exchange.  Thank you for taking the time to share.

[Rudynate]

On 12/21/2021 at 7:23 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

If you can balance honesty and informational, you'll always do fine here.

Tricky, I imagine, since this game involves at some fantasy and/or illusion.

 

[+ WilliamM]

On 12/21/2021 at 10:23 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

There used to be...  A gigantic benefit, but that time has since passed.  

Now, this is a place for an established escort to come and banter.  Balance out the scales a bit, as it were.

If you can balance honesty and informational, you'll always do fine here.

I miss Scott Adler.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

39 minutes ago, WilliamM said:

I miss Scott Adler.

Scott was a fun presence here. 

I'm happy to see him doing well in life. 

[shawshini]

Slightly off topic here, but as someone who is new to hiring, I’m thankful for the insight of the providers that contribute to the forum. I really appreciate the insight!  Thank you! (Glad to have the forum as a whole for a resource, it’s been so helpful).

[TruHart1]

As a client, I actually appreciate the providers who DO decide to participate in discussions. I’ve been able to keep in touch with some escorts who retired, which is very satisfying when they leave the business with little or no warning!

 I can also think of at least two of my regular well-reviewed providers (one retired, one in limbo at the moment due to Omicron) who were ecstatic upon finding this site but got “burnt out” after 6 months to a year of participation here and quit posting. One now posts only sporadically, the other not at all!

TruHart1 😎

[Jamie21]

I’m happy to share my perspective of working in the industry. Generally people on here interact with respect and often with great insight. I like to hear what others think and how they work. I also like to understand clients perspectives. It’s great that these things can help me provide a better service or work more effectively. 

I guess there is a risk that some clients might not like my view or opinion on things but so be it. This is me… and I’d not want them to book a session if they’re expecting a different person. If they like how I come over here then I’d hope they like how I am in person because it’s no different. If they don’t like me here then best not to book! 

[mike carey]

2 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I’m happy to share my perspective of working in the industry. Generally people on here interact with respect and often with great insight. I like to hear what others think and how they work. I also like to understand clients perspectives. It’s great that these things can help me provide a better service or work more effectively. 

I guess there is a risk that some clients might not like my view or opinion on things but so be it. This is me… and I’d not want them to book a session if they’re expecting a different person. If they like how I come over here then I’d hope they like how I am in person because it’s no different. If they don’t like me here then best not to book! 

I suspect that there are some clients here who already have you pencilled into their diaries for their next trip to London, but I could be misreading the room.

[Jamie21]

1 hour ago, mike carey said:

I suspect that there are some clients here who already have you pencilled into their diaries for their next trip to London, but I could be misreading the room.

Yay! I look forward to meeting them if that’s the case. Welcome to London 🙂

[shawshini]

On 12/31/2021 at 6:15 AM, mike carey said:

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100% to this!  When I get to London @Jamie21is first on my list!!

[510guy]

I know one who was a masseur but didn't tell people who he was. He was talked about negatively on forum but couldn't say anything as there was no point in trying to defend himself. He was pretty discouraged to see how negative things got. I think many lurk quietly. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 12/29/2021 at 11:09 PM, rn901 said:

When I disagreed with some people on here, I was told that I'm not advertising myself well and/or that I need to use my real provider name (yes, I know contradictory claims). The common denominator in those two contradictory arguments though is this is a space where we, as providers, are not welcome or encouraged to express ourselves freely (or as freely as clients). 

The site also attracts the clients who like to complain the most. I barely spend enough time on RM, let alone come on here to read the Karens and Kevins of the industry pile on someone else. It's an emotionally taxing job as it is, many don't want to make it any more taxing by coming on here.  

Very true 💯. I’ve been told the exact same thing. This past year I’ve worked hard to not bring up certain things, but sometimes the biz pushes you to need to discuss it anyway. People also shouldn’t “push” an escort to use their real provider name, just like an escort doesn’t push clients to reveal their real name.

I went thru a period where I used an alias, but I decided in order to speak my truth, I need to be my true authentic self. Especially in this day of age, sports players, TV personalities, everybody is out there giving opinions on social media and people agree and disagree. It’s not a big deal, unless you’re in a job that can fire you for saying something (and even Nick cannon got fired from his show, then came up with a whole new show on daytime TV) I know there’s the risk of offending some, but it’s all relative.

But otherwise I concur with your last statement. Also will say: and bless his soul, but the previous website owner didn’t particularly “foster” escort reputation. It was usually, “whatever people say is your fault “. I feel this new “panel” of owners has a better investment to escort welfare, and doesn’t readily egg on such mentality. I noticed the clients here seem friendlier and less judgmental than before.
 

I see the forum is moving away from “reviewing bad guys”, to “interpersonal relationships and fostering camaraderie among clients and escorts” 

Edited January 15, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

On 1/15/2022 at 11:07 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

the previous website owner didn’t particularly “foster” escort reputation. It was usually, “whatever people say is your fault 

I don't agree.  Daddy was stoic at times, but fair when the shit hit the fan.

Was he always right?  No.

But he knew a good egg from a bad egg.  He genuinely cared for escorts, a lot like Hooboy did.  He was happy for our success and offered healthy criticism when we failed.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

9 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

I don't agree.  Daddy was stoic at times, but fair when the shit hit the fan.

Was he always right?  No.

But he knew a good egg from a bad egg.  He genuinely cared for escorts, a lot like Hooboy did.  He was happy for our success and offered healthy criticism when we failed.

I don’t doubt that. And I’m not saying that he didn’t care for us by any means. He did a lot. But…as far as condemning some of the behavior on the forum which may have not appealed to some escorts (thus the question of why more escorts don’t participate), I can’t say he was “eager” to do so. 

It’s like some teachers I had back in school. Some were great teachers and loved their students, but they didn’t really show enough stand against bullying. It was the ones who really nipped it in the bud, that the kids knew they couldn’t get over on. 
 

I can’t exactly remember anymore what it was, but somehow there was an email exchange between him and I…and he posted it on my review page. It stayed up for months, and it took an intervention between him and another “member” (who he also eventually fell out with) to get it taken down finally. I had also asked him to modify some things in my review page, and that never happened either until the new panel took hold.

I’m not trying to diss the guy, but…I feel there was times he could have stepped in but didn’t. I did notice, once “guy Fawkes” stepped in, he started being a bit more proactive about it. But I know personally from in person meetings, that he usually strayed towards devils advocate.

Again, about that topic re: do White guys have it better. Do you think more “non-White” providers may have a different view (considering the ones who have either been run off or not interested?