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I know it sounds harsh, but I’m along the fence of adopting it. This mainly goes for these type of bookers: they contact for a session, and then it seems like can’t seem to pin down for a time that isn’t “right this moment”. 
 

I’ve had a couple of people do this recently, and have been sure to block. Examples: they are visiting or even local. They contact for a session, but not willing to give enough notice or schedule a mutually convenient time. Usually this tends to be the late evening requests.

Like yesterday I had someone reach out just after 10 p.m. for a booking asking my availability. I wasn’t expecting an appointment considering no one called all day. Knowing it was late and I wasn’t ready to take the booking, I mentioned I’m free the next day after 6. Next day I text back  to follow up, only to be told he likely can’t do the visit due to conference.

I know it sounds petty to get annoyed by this, but it really irritates the shit out of me…and I just end up blocking him. For one, the person had no decency or respect to contact with notice that he was coming to town and looking for a session, then he didn’t even follow up or keep the plans to meet. A client like this, I don’t even want to leave the door open for a future session because I find more and more when they do it once, they tend to do so again.

So with that being the case, I’m leaning towards the one strike rule. I know other businesses give more chances, but as I’ve said before: we are often just 1 person handling a lot of traffic. 

 

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Maybe you’re being irritated unnecessarily? I used to get annoyed by lack of response from clients…such as the text “hi are you available at xxx”. I respond with “yes” or “no but I’m next free at xxx” and then there’s absolute silence. No response atall from them. 
I’m used to it now. Some clients are closeted so they minimise contact, some just rude, some are simply getting off on the thought of a meeting with never any intention to book.

I think it’s their loss and their problem. My only cost is a few seconds to text them. I now realise that some clients treat sex workers as not being worthy of respect and of course those clients are not the ones I want anyway. I don’t block because they’ll never book anyway. 

 

 

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That’s true…the 2nd part. But in my case, it’s more of just the overall. Those few seconds of texts can add up to hours and days when it happens often enough. 
 

I do feel unnecessarily annoyed, but at the same time I get it quite a bit in my region. Parts of the Midwest are notorious for the bullshit. But I thought it was getting better. It would be different if I was getting bookings round the clock and didn’t notice it, but I only receive 1 or 2, maybe 3 appointments a week when I’m not on tour. So anyone who doesn’t follow thru on an appointment is going to show up on my radar pretty clear. 

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3 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I know it sounds harsh, but I’m along the fence of adopting it. This mainly goes for these type of bookers: they contact for a session, and then it seems like can’t seem to pin down for a time that isn’t “right this moment”. 
 

I’ve had a couple of people do this recently, and have been sure to block. Examples: they are visiting or even local. They contact for a session, but not willing to give enough notice or schedule a mutually convenient time. Usually this tends to be the late evening requests.

Like yesterday I had someone reach out just after 10 p.m. for a booking asking my availability. I wasn’t expecting an appointment considering no one called all day. Knowing it was late and I wasn’t ready to take the booking, I mentioned I’m free the next day after 6. Next day I text back  to follow up, only to be told he likely can’t do the visit due to conference.

I know it sounds petty to get annoyed by this, but it really irritates the shit out of me…and I just end up blocking him. For one, the person had no decency or respect to contact with notice that he was coming to town and looking for a session, then he didn’t even follow up or keep the plans to meet. A client like this, I don’t even want to leave the door open for a future session because I find more and more when they do it once, they tend to do so again.

So with that being the case, I’m leaning towards the one strike rule. I know other businesses give more chances, but as I’ve said before: we are often just 1 person handling a lot of traffic. 

 

I wouldn't block him unnecessarily. It seemed like he was looking for something "right now". 

Sometimes people get horny while away at a conference and need something spontaneous. I'm a planner and usually have my "entertainment" booked in advance at least a few days ahead. But, sometimes work is too busy and that evening, nothing has been planned so I would reach out to a provider.

Conversely, should I, as a client block an escort who flaked one time despite chatting and planning weeks in advance? Depends on his desirability and availability of other options. In my case, this happened to me and his excuse was "I was busy".  For me it's a hard no. At least where I am, there are so many other providers who keep their schedules and show up. 

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With the guy in your opening post it didn't sound like you had a set time or a definite meetup planned. It was more let's see if tomorrow will work. And it didn't work for him. So with him I would give him another shot. Now for sure if someone makes a concrete plan and ghosts or gives a lame excuse then I'm ok with you saying you're not going to deal with them anymore.

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If you text a locksmith, and ask if he can come over immediately, and the locksmith says no, I don't see any reason why the locksmith should be mad or annoyed.  If the locksmith doesn't want text messages inquiring about availability, he can remove his contact info from the advertisement.  

The locksmith may text back that he is available the next day to provide his service, but the customer has no obligation to text back.  It may be nice and courteous to text back, but I don't think there is an obligation.  

You can replace "locksmith" with the service provider of your choosing.  

 

7 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

few seconds of texts can add up to hours and days when it happens often enough

Assuming by "few seconds of text" you mean 30 seconds (so quite generous), you would need 2,880 texts to add up to a day.  And some of these are while you are watching TV, or something else, so they didn't really take time you could have spent elsewhere. 

That being said, you could hire a remote personal assistant to handle your bookings.  Their hourly rate is probably lower than yours and it will be good for your mental health to not get as aggravated. 

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Honestly, I think things like this will always happen. It will happen in this type of business and will happen in any other type of business. It can be annoying sometimes but remember "good customer service" drives more clients. I have got calls and messages 2am, 3am, 5am, etc. At that time, I was sleeping and never saw the calls or texts because I leave my phone on mute. I do not meet clients in the last minute. I need notice but I also understand that guys might just get "excited" at unplanned times and that's why they contact us. What it really bothers me, it is the fact that some clients are not considerate. They message or call you, they think their time is valuable, but sometimes they do not care about cancelling appointments without notice or simply not messaging at all. But this is 10% of the business. We have to focus on the 90%. 

Hopefully, I helped the post somehow.

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6 hours ago, Colton said:

If you text a locksmith, and ask if he can come over immediately, and the locksmith says no, I don't see any reason why the locksmith should be mad or annoyed.  If the locksmith doesn't want text messages inquiring about availability, he can remove his contact info from the advertisement.  

The locksmith may text back that he is available the next day to provide his service, but the customer has no obligation to text back.  It may be nice and courteous to text back, but I don't think there is an obligation.  

You can replace "locksmith" with the service provider of your choosing.  

 

Assuming by "few seconds of text" you mean 30 seconds (so quite generous), you would need 2,880 texts to add up to a day.  And some of these are while you are watching TV, or something else, so they didn't really take time you could have spent elsewhere. 

That being said, you could hire a remote personal assistant to handle your bookings.  Their hourly rate is probably lower than yours and it will be good for your mental health to not get as aggravated. 

I can understand your locksmith analogy, but that’s different. That’s an emergency line of work. I would rather it more relate to friends and family, because they are individual people…versus a business that just operates on a 24/7 basis. Obviously that business will rely on last minute callers.

In my case: I’ve had time and time again, clients who contact for appointments, even if it doesn’t “seem” like there’s a specific time, we agreed on meeting and they flake. I don’t block their number, then they come around couple or few months down the line and do it again. How many chances must I be willing to give? 

Would this same person contact their relative last minute to say they’re in town, and then bail? No. So why the F would they even think for a second that it’s considerate for us?

In addition to mentioning my deposit rule, I’ve also just recently added BE PREPARED TO BOOK AND PLAN IN ADVANCE. IF YOU CONTACT ME WITHOUT NOTICE, BE PREPARED TO WAIT AT LEAST 2 to 4 HOURS. I didn’t say it in all caps, but that’s the message I’m trying to get across. I really don’t understand why people don’t get it. I’m not just sitting around, waiting around on a corner for someone to pick me up. 
 

It just really gets to me that I have to constantly miss appointments throughout the week because some people don’t bother to put any sort of thought or planning into appointments. But I also think the big part of it is working in Kansas City. I’ve said before this is still one of the worst markets in the country to be an escort in. Majority of the responses are last minute, unplanned, and not much notice.

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From a client's side perspective, hiring when travelling for business, especially conferences, is problematic.  It's difficult to plan in advance before arriving because you often don't know how much downtime you'll actually have.  Meetings get moved around or run long, dinner plans change or get extended, work from the office becomes more urgent.  In a perfect world, you'd know in advance you can get back to your room in time to freshen up and be ready for a evening appointment, but I've had trips where I'm uncertain how things will go until the day of.

It's tempting to wait until I get back to the room and then see if there are any local guys who are available on short notice, but I have only actually done it a couple times myself.  I can see a lot of guys looking on RM for 'Available Now' on their profile to do that, though.

Personally, I have had a situation where I was visiting a client in a city where my brother lives, and we planned to meet up for dinner after I was done with the meeting. The client insisted on getting dinner after the meeting, which screwed up the plan to meet up with my brother.  I messaged him and let him know what was happening, and we met up for a beer much later than planned instead, but yeah it was an inconvenience for him.  I wouldn't have blamed him for saying it was a no-go, though.

Now if a guy visits your city a few times, contacts you, but never seals the deal, sure it might be worth putting him on the ignore/block list.  But a one time thing is a bit on the harsh side, IMO.

 

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6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

That’s an emergency line of work. I

Fair, but a married man getting off while at a conference is its own type of emergency :)

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

clients who contact for appointments, even if it doesn’t “seem” like there’s a specific time, we agreed on meeting and they flake

So you really didn't agree to meet -- if you don't have a time, you don't have a confirmed booking.  While the scenario you gave probably happens a lot, in advance, on the day of or one day before, you really should be narrowing down the window and confirming the time.

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

How many chances must I be willing to give? 

That's up to you, and depends on how much business you can turn away.  I would suggest you write it down in your diary, put it under your pillow, and not post messages about it here.  No one needs to know.

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

BE PREPARED TO BOOK AND PLAN IN ADVANCE. IF YOU CONTACT ME WITHOUT NOTICE, BE PREPARED TO WAIT AT LEAST 2 to 4 HOURS.

Why not just say you require 4 hours notice for a booking?  Be concise and direct.

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2 hours ago, Colton said:

Fair, but a married man getting off while at a conference is its own type of emergency :)

So you really didn't agree to meet -- if you don't have a time, you don't have a confirmed booking.  While the scenario you gave probably happens a lot, in advance, on the day of or one day before, you really should be narrowing down the window and confirming the time.

That's up to you, and depends on how much business you can turn away.  I would suggest you write it down in your diary, put it under your pillow, and not post messages about it here.  No one needs to know.

Why not just say you require 4 hours notice for a booking?  Be concise and direct.

Okay first off: I don’t say 4 hours notice because I may not always need 4 hours notice. I’m being concise and direct, by saying I need 2 to 4 hours notice lol. I say that because sometimes I may need 2 hours notice, other times 4. It may be somewhere in between.

Just imagine: I sit around all weekend, no bookings. Then, the moment I decide to accept an invitation from a friend to do or go somewhere, a client texts out the blue asking if I’m available. With the disclaimer, they need to be willing to allow 2 to 4 hours notice before I show up. That’s the whole point of it. So I don’t have to drop or cancel what I’m doing to dash out for a client, who might just cancel or not follow thru anyway.

I also DID confirm the time with this last person. I had just fucking told him the night before, that I can do after 11 p.m. He specifically said he can do either early afternoon or at night after 11. That’s the times he gave me. Then the next day comes, he’s telling me the conference was hectic and that he’ll reach out if he can commit to a time. What the fuck kind of bullshit is that? 

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7 hours ago, DynamicUno said:

From a client's side perspective, hiring when travelling for business, especially conferences, is problematic.  It's difficult to plan in advance before arriving because you often don't know how much downtime you'll actually have.  Meetings get moved around or run long, dinner plans change or get extended, work from the office becomes more urgent.  In a perfect world, you'd know in advance you can get back to your room in time to freshen up and be ready for a evening appointment, but I've had trips where I'm uncertain how things will go until the day of.

It's tempting to wait until I get back to the room and then see if there are any local guys who are available on short notice, but I have only actually done it a couple times myself.  I can see a lot of guys looking on RM for 'Available Now' on their profile to do that, though.

Personally, I have had a situation where I was visiting a client in a city where my brother lives, and we planned to meet up for dinner after I was done with the meeting. The client insisted on getting dinner after the meeting, which screwed up the plan to meet up with my brother.  I messaged him and let him know what was happening, and we met up for a beer much later than planned instead, but yeah it was an inconvenience for him.  I wouldn't have blamed him for saying it was a no-go, though.

Now if a guy visits your city a few times, contacts you, but never seals the deal, sure it might be worth putting him on the ignore/block list.  But a one time thing is a bit on the harsh side, IMO.

 

Thanks for your perspective about conventions. And I can understand it being problematic. But that’s why I’m taking the steps to give instruction. Unfortunately, their convention variables shouldn’t be my problem. I didn’t call them, they called me. So it’s not fair to just expect to boss me around and be there at the drop of a dime with no ability to plan. They should have thought ahead of time, contacted me ahead of time, and figured it out. There’s no reason I should just have to drop everything and immediately see them, or live in fear that if I don’t, the appointment will never work out.

And I definitely don’t like having to leave my couch/bed after 10 pm for some last minute outcall appointment that I had no idea even two hours ago, that I would get. 

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14 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Thanks for your perspective about conventions. And I can understand it being problematic. But that’s why I’m taking the steps to give instruction. Unfortunately, their convention variables shouldn’t be my problem. I didn’t call them, they called me. So it’s not fair to just expect to boss me around and be there at the drop of a dime with no ability to plan. They should have thought ahead of time, contacted me ahead of time, and figured it out. There’s no reason I should just have to drop everything and immediately see them, or live in fear that if I don’t, the appointment will never work out.

And I definitely don’t like having to leave my couch/bed after 10 pm for some last minute outcall appointment that I had no idea even two hours ago, that I would get. 

It seems you added more background to the interaction with the convention goer than in your original post, so I won't try to go over it in any detail. I wasn't there so I can only consider the circumstance as described.  

If the guy was really expecting you to be JohnnyCock-on-the-spot when he first contacted you and lost interest in settig a schedule when you made it clear you weren't interested in being 'on call' for his schedule's convenience, then it's probably for the best for you to block him or let him know you're not available if he ever contacts again. 

I think a lot of guys, especially travellers, look at RM ads like they're ordering from grubhub.  It's really tempting to browse the site and try to set somethign up on short notice when you get back to your room and have some free time.  And obviously some providers are ok with that kind of business, but not all are.  If your ad clearly states that you prefer to be contacted within certain hours and that you're not usually available for short notice sessions, then it's on him for not following your request.  You're certainly not obligated to respond to a contact after your cutoff time, you need your downtime just like anyone else.

In the interest of trying to be helpful and not critical, the only thing you might have done differently would have been to tell him that if he was interested in setting something up the following evening to contact you before a certain cutoff time (i.e. "I can be open after 6PM tomorrow evening, but please let me know before  X PM if you want to set it up."  That way, if he doesn't contact you by that time you know you're under no obligation to reach out to him further and your time for that evening is yours to do with as you'd like.  If he contacts you after that, you can either ignore him or tell him other plans came up since he didn't firm it up with you, no need to add stress to it after that point.  If he gets pissy, it's on him.

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While i totally get how frustrating this is, I can tell you how frustrating it is from a client point of view when providers play the same game.

Some of us are time poor, or due to our personal situations (partnered work etc) our window of opportunity to engage with a provider is limited.

I recently had a gap come up due to being in the city to take part in a  live tv show.  I wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to see a provider.

I contacted him by text and it took a while to get a response.  He was at the gym doing a PT session with a  client.

I mentioned that i would like to see him for a couple of hours, starting at 1030p and that i would be off air until about 930pm.

well it was more like 10pm when i got out of the tv studio, and made ctc by text asap,  silence, i then tried to ring him, after about 10 mins he said sorry i got a massage appointment as i did not hear from you at 930, but he would be available from 1130p.  I said that would be fine .

At 1130 I was outside his address, texted that I was ready when he was, after about 10 mins he texted come up it is apartment number * on floor *.

When he answered the door he apologised but I had to say that i understood as I had not honoured the time commitment.  

we went on to have a great time, he did say that the previous appointment was running late and then would not stop talking and he had to eventually say - you need to leave, as I have another booking.

 

That would explain the guy who came out and got into the car parked in front of me, and smiled at me as he walked around the back of his car.

Flexibility and a lack of attitude would go a long way to improving your business 

 

 

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Honestly in my opinion it is OK to block someone with only one strike if they truly annoy you.  For any reason whatsoever.  Including no reason.  In fact it’s a lot less damaging to your overall business to block a single person than it is to get resentful about the process of trying to communicate about a booking.

Personally, when someone messages me outside of my preferred hours with a last minute booking request I know I can’t accommodate, I wait until later to respond, as any conversation I engage them with while they’re horny now is not likely to be relevant tomorrow.  So if someone messages me at 11:30pm asking if I can come over (I’m usually in bed by 9 or 10), even if I see the message, I’ll wait until I’m having tea at 6:30am to send my response- that sorry- I was already asleep- but I am available today from X to Y time if they’re still interested in getting together.  This tends to work out well for me as they usually do not even respond if they’re not interested.  And sometime they are and they book.

In fact, delayed responses are a major strategy of mine to cut down on time wasting and frustration overall in the booking process.  One issue we as providers deal with that locksmiths are NOT dealing with is that many people get off on talking to us.  Whether they’re real clients or not, time spent in conversation with us is part of the experience they enjoy and are paying us for.  Or not paying us for, in the case of a true time-waster.  If someone is annoying me via text or trying to engage in too much detailed conversation when we’ve never met and I’m not sure if we will, I heavily delay my responses and it helps a lot.  I’ll wait until I don’t feel annoyed (even if it takes 9 hours) to type a response that gently redirects the conversation back to where I need it to go.

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Yes delayed response works well with those 11 pm messages asking if I’m available now. I just ignore it until I’m ready to reply and I say I was asleep or otherwise engaged. Those aren’t the clients I want.

The 99% certain to not happen requests are almost always those where the client asks for some extravagant fantasy to be fulfilled involving group sex and and having every orifice penetrated all night. It all sounds great when they discuss it and book it but come the day of the appointment and they always have some issue that means they have to cancel. The more explicit and detailed the request the greater the likelihood it will be cancelled or he won’t show. If the conversation goes down the road of “describe what you’ll do to me” then I cut it off and say “book and you’ll find out” and I tell them I require a deposit for those type of requests…(which usually ends the conversation).

Clients who want to book when they’re horny should have a wank and then if they still want to book they’ll know it’s for better reasons than just needing to get off right now…
 

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I get people are busy and get stuff happens and for me I believe in second chances, but I don’t believe in games. For example I’ve had clients who set dates and time, and then when it comes to that day won’t answer at all or even give a heads up that they aren’t coming. Then I’ll get an apology weeks later, then to say let’s set something up and I say ok. Then the day comes and the same thing happens again. So for me that’s when I strike cause I don’t have time for the games. I also think some guys get off on the phone sex aspect of it and like talking about meeting up,but not actually meeting. I think if clients have no intention on meeting they shouldn’t contact you, because changing your schedule around for someone not to show up or meet can be exhausting. I do think if someone couldn’t meet because of work, I’d understand. 

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On 6/24/2021 at 12:02 PM, WolfCompanion said:

Honestly, I think things like this will always happen. It will happen in this type of business and will happen in any other type of business. It can be annoying sometimes but remember "good customer service" drives more clients. I have got calls and messages 2am, 3am, 5am, etc. At that time, I was sleeping and never saw the calls or texts because I leave my phone on mute. I do not meet clients in the last minute. I need notice but I also understand that guys might just get "excited" at unplanned times and that's why they contact us. What it really bothers me, it is the fact that some clients are not considerate. They message or call you, they think their time is valuable, but sometimes they do not care about cancelling appointments without notice or simply not messaging at all. But this is 10% of the business. We have to focus on the 90%. 

Hopefully, I helped the post somehow.

You have a rational, empathetic and approachable character in how you express yourself :)

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Thanks all for the perspectives and replies (though a couple I was confused about e.g. the provider who had 3 bookings all in 1 line). Doesn’t really sound like anything bad happened, I wouldn’t of immediately blocked the client over that. But if it was a case where the person said they would contact at a time that night and didn’t, that’s when I would find it inconsiderate.

I just got back over the weekend from doing my rounds in Denver. I was glad that 4 clients who booked me followed thru. I had 2 regulars who quasi-flaked on me. Seems like they wanted to meet, but couldn’t front the time. 
 

However, I did come across 1 person who did something so annoying, I didn’t have to think twice about blocking him: I’m at a nice Sheraton hotel, he CALLS me in the morning (and for this reason I keep reminding myself why I don’t like to take phone calls). Tells me that he is in the area, and I can see it based on the Adam 4 Adam locator that he was. He wants to come “now”. I’m like, I can see you in 30 minutes at 11. Then he starts saying like that’ll be too late. Then I tell him he can come over now and wait in lobby, I can see him in 15 minutes. Says he’s going to get cash, but then backs out while on the phone, with some excuse. Then says he’ll contact me next time I’m in town.

I blocked his A4A and number shortly after. 
 

And like @italianboyph and @HoleTrainer said, some of these guys get off on the idea of chatting us up and may even flake again down the line. 
 

I also have read that since the pandemic, stuff like flight attendant abuse and inconsiderate drivers have been on the rise. What doesn’t get reported: treatment of sex workers and masseurs are also likely worse. It’s not necessarily physically abusive, but it’s definitely an increased aura of it…at the same time it seems like the calls have gone down since many states have reopened. I was actually a little busier during the start and middle of the pandemic than now. 
 

But my overall tolerance for bullshit is down. I also get tired of arguing and getting into debates with clients over the phone about whether or not they believe they made an appointment or not. If a person didn’t want to make an appointment, then why the hell bother to contact a provider to begin with. And even though the suggestions about delayed replies and not taking late messages are golden advice, many or most of the “now” requests come at morning and lunch hours.

I periodically put my ads on freeze, and even though 4th of July weekend might of been a good time to post up for some clients, I opted to take down my ads or not renew. Holidays can bring clients, but also bring about people with too much time on their hands. 

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On 6/24/2021 at 12:04 PM, Colton said:

If you text a locksmith, and ask if he can come over immediately, and the locksmith says no, I don't see any reason why the locksmith should be mad or annoyed.  If the locksmith doesn't want text messages inquiring about availability, he can remove his contact info from the advertisement.  

The locksmith may text back that he is available the next day to provide his service, but the customer has no obligation to text back.  It may be nice and courteous to text back, but I don't think there is an obligation.  

You can replace "locksmith" with the service provider of your choosing.  

 

Assuming by "few seconds of text" you mean 30 seconds (so quite generous), you would need 2,880 texts to add up to a day.  And some of these are while you are watching TV, or something else, so they didn't really take time you could have spent elsewhere. 

That being said, you could hire a remote personal assistant to handle your bookings.  Their hourly rate is probably lower than yours and it will be good for your mental health to not get as aggravated. 

lol- you haven't tried to get plumbers or electricians lately. locksmiths are usually emergency responders and AAA has a big market share. 

i've always said that guys need appointment assistants and people think i'm talking about agents or pimps. few of these guys have good telephone or text skills and even if they did should be concentrating on working, not scheduling. 90% of complaints i see are potential clients mad at lack of response. telephone assistants are not expensive. 

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8 hours ago, tassojunior said:

lol- you haven't tried to get plumbers or electricians lately. locksmiths are usually emergency responders and AAA has a big market share. 

i've always said that guys need appointment assistants and people think i'm talking about agents or pimps. few of these guys have good telephone or text skills and even if they did should be concentrating on working, not scheduling. 90% of complaints i see are potential clients mad at lack of response. telephone assistants are not expensive. 

It’s not cost though. It’s about who can I trust to properly handle my bookings. Again, we’re taking sex work here.

Back in the day, or even now for women: there were “agencies” that took the cut. I’ve never worked for an agency before, but I’m pretty sure it was cut and dry and to the point. However Idk how agencies would handle a client who didn’t show up or wasn’t there when the escort knocked.

But that’s why providers take deposits. It’s not to victimize the client. It’s like Uber and every other online ordering service known to man: you pay first, get the product later. And these companies make ‘em pay full price. I just ask for a portion

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