Why should I care about Covid? I'm vaccinated.

[+ tassojunior]

Like a million more per day and many here, I'm vaccinated and go for my 2nd shot soon. I've been very careful for a year but am ready to slowly get back to somewhat normal life. But they say to keep my Covid routine for a lot longer. Why? (Honestly asking why as I consider drastic total quarantine over for me now).

Edited January 31, 2021 by tassojunior

[RuffLeatherPig]

You can still spread it even when vaccinated.

[gallahadesquire]

You can still spread it even when vaccinated.

IIRC, it takes awhile for the vaccine to be effective.

[big-n-tall]

It's mainly because scientist aren't exactly sure if you can still spread the virus. Research is still being done to figure that out. You may not get sick but you still could possibly spread the virus to others. So until they know for sure whether that's the case or not, they want people to be cautious.

 

Why You Should Still Wear A Mask And Avoid Crowds After Getting The COVID-19 Vaccine

[+ tassojunior]

From what I've read the possibility that someone vaccinated can still spread the virus through the air is remote (though not proven impossible yet). I'm already not wearing masks on the rather crowded sidewalks outdoors and plan to travel a lot some 2 weeks after my booster when I should be 95% immune. I'll stay cautious but not in severe total lockdown and wondering what the first prudent alterations can be.

Edited January 25, 2021 by tassojunior

[+ sniper]

I just got my first shot and I will continue to wear masks not because I feel so much that I need to for personal protection, but because there's no way for people to tell who's lying about having had the shot and it's going to be months before enough of the population has had the shot to be able to lift the mandates. I view it as consideration for others rather than safety, and I don't want to give the idiots any more feeling of their being justified in not wearing masks.

But I will be hopping on a plane in March without any worries about it. And I'll wear the mask on the plane anyway just because I don't want to catch a random cold.

[+ Autumnal]

@tassojunior I'm happy for you that you got your vaccination and will soon have your second shot. However, it sounds like you will "stay cautious" for yourself, while you are already putting others at risk by not wearing a mask on crowed streets. Please reconsider your actions for all of our well being.

[+ 7829V]

Like a million more per day and many here, I'm vaccinated and go for my 2nd shot soon. I've been very careful for a year but am ready to get back to normal life. But they say to keep my Covid routine for a lot longer. Why? (Honestly asking why as I consider it over for me now).

There’s no return to normal life as we know it.

 

You can still spread the virus ? even if you don’t get sick.

 

Vaccine is not 100% effective. You can still get covid.

[+ tassojunior]

@tassojunior I'm happy for you that you got your vaccination and will soon have your second shot. However, it sounds like you will "stay cautious" for yourself, while you are already putting others at risk by not wearing a mask on crowed streets. Please reconsider your actions for all of our well being.

Of course I'll continue to wear masks indoors (except in restaurants and bars) both because it's the law and because I support everyone taking precautions for a while. But wearing masks outdoors is the one thing I hate, it's not required, and from what I've read there's little or no danger there anyway. I've gone outdoors without masks a couple times now and I have to say it improves the quality of life immensely. Fresh air, deep breathing and maximum oxygen are wonderful joys.

Edited January 25, 2021 by tassojunior

[+ purplekow]

From what I've read the possibility that someone vaccinated can still spread the virus through the air is remote (though not proven impossible yet). I'm already not wearing masks on the rather crowded sidewalks outdoors and plan to travel a lot some 2 weeks after my booster when I should be 95% immune. I'll stay cautious but not in severe lockdown.

It is not that you are 95% immune it is that there is a 95% chance that you are immune. There is a 5% chance that you are not. As to why you should still use protection, it really has to do with it being easier to enforce protective measures on all rather than try and figure out who has been vaccinated and who has not. I went to a Mobile store today and was looking at my phone. My glasses got fogged and I lowered my mask to take off my glasses and clean them. The counter person asked me to please wear my mask and I did even though I was six feet away for anyone and I have received both doses of the vaccine more than a week ago for the last one.

[+ tassojunior]

It is not that you are 95% immune it is that there is a 95% chance that you are immune. There is a 5% chance that you are not. As to why you should still use protection, it really has to do with it being easier to enforce protective measures on all rather than try and figure out who has been vaccinated and who has not. I went to a Mobile store today and was looking at my phone. My glasses got fogged and I lowered my mask to take off my glasses and clean them. The counter person asked me to please wear my mask and I did even though I was six feet away for anyone and I have received both doses of the vaccine more than a week ago for the last one.

 

But you weren't outdoors. I don't see the legal or social obligation outdoors (6 ft apart especially) anymore. I'm willing to take my 5% chance outdoors where there's less danger anyway. And most people over 65 look over 65. We have to start talking about the 1st steps back soon.

[caramelsub]

I think they are requiring people vaccinated to still wear a mask, because there is no way to tell who was vaccinated and who wasn’t. And people could lie about being vaccinated, so they don’t have to wear a mask.

Edited January 25, 2021 by caramelsub

[jjkrkwood]

Some people ARE just inconsiderate, obstinate ASSHOLES, always only thinking of THEMSELVES ! It's just WHO they are and it drives every aspect of their lives and viewpoints :mad:

[+ Cash4Trash]

Haven't had a cold this year and I don't know anyone who has. I'll keep wearing a mask for reasons other than covid. I understand that flu infections are way down this year also. After the virus is long gone (hopefully it will be some day) I'll probably wear a mask in all crowded room situations. I get really bad colds.

[+ Pensant]

I agree about the masks. First year in which I’ve not had my usual mild sniffles.

[+ Billsboy4]

Dr Fauci has said that the variants from England and South Africa are more contagious and the vaccines have not yet been proven that they are as effective for these variants. That's another reason why you also should wear a mask.

[marylander1940]

Dr Fauci has said that the variants from England and South Africa are more contagious and the vaccines have not yet been proven that they are as effective for these variants. That's another reason why you also should wear a mask.

 

yes and if we don't get vaccinated soon the virus might evolve and get more deadly.

 

Covid-19 ain't easily preventable as HIV was, let's get our shit together and limit our exposure.

 

@tassojunior live by the example and wear a mask like everybody else

 

Like a million more per day and many here, I'm vaccinated and go for my 2nd shot soon. I've been very careful for a year but am ready to get back to normal life. But they say to keep my Covid routine for a lot longer. Why? (Honestly asking why as I consider it over for me now).

 

"They" told you to get vaccinated and you did it, right? Now they're telling you something you don't like and you don't want to follow their instructions.

[+ tassojunior]

To be clear I'm talking about what the first steps out of personal quarantine can be for those fully vaccinated, not breaking mask laws. For me I no longer feel morally obligated to wear masks outdoors and that's huge for me. My blood oxygen level dropped 2 points since the pandemic from being indoors more and masked outdoors. I've read nothing saying outdoor transmission is significant. If anything I would say the government's 1st steps- opening indoor restaurants and bars without masks- is less wise than my personal decision. I also chose to bubble for the pandemic instead of solitude and to only travel to open beaches. I chose those very slight increased risks to myself and I guess humanity in a rational risk/benefit way and I think no routine mask outdoors is the next prudent step. We've been doing 1 million vaccines per day and people need to start discussing what if anything this will change.

 

Dr Fauci has said that the variants from England and South Africa are more contagious and the vaccines have not yet been proven that they are as effective for these variants. That's another reason why you also should wear a mask.

 

Moderna announced today they have a booster coming that is specific to the dangerous South African strain. (Fauci and Moderna say the standard vaccine should cover it but then Moderna also says: " Moderna said its vaccine induced antibody production against the strain first identified in the U.K., known as B.1.1.7, at levels comparable to prior variants. Yet antibodies decreased sixfold against the strain first identified in South Africa, known as B.1.351." (that's quite a footnote!)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/moderna-developing-vaccine-booster-shot-against-virus-strain-first-identified-in-south-africa-11611581400?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR0vbTlhG_nB0kycjlMdikxq--UmYqITURBQKLZFqtVa_VhetE3V7IbXt4s

 

I think it's prudent to ask about the South African Moderna booster.

[Guest]

I posted a link some time ago to a meta-analysis (study which combined results of multiple studies) looking at outdoor covid19 transmission. I can't find it again, but the researchers looked at over 25,000 cases of Covid-19 infection, and in the less than 50 who got it from outdoor contact, there was prolonged (over 15 minutes) face-to-face interaction (such as a wedding reception, rose garden Supreme Court nomination ceremony, etc.). There is strong data to suggest that you can't get it just walking past someone outdoors (even unvaccinated). As I have suggested in other strings, I would advise anyone who's had both doses of the vaccine to get an antibody test (IgG) to make sure you're not one of the unlucky 5% for whom the vaccine didn't take. I have also posted a few times the link to the study which showed that once someone has antibodies, they cannot transmit the illness, even if viral particles are detected via PCR or DFA from nasal swabs. As if that weren't enough evidence, there have now been millions of people, the majority in the healthcare field or in nursing homes (with multiple opportunities for indoor contact) who've received both doses of the vaccine.

The fact that there hasn't been a single documented case of Covid-19 transmission from a fully vaccinated person seems to pretty much confirm the results of previous studies: the vaccinated can't spread the illness. (If they could, we'd be in trouble) Universal masking when indoors is still needed due to the inability to identify the vaccinated from unvaccinated. This requirement comes from a practical standpoint, not from a scientific one.

Also, studies have now shown that transmission from fomites (hand contact to surfaces) is rare, so we can stop the incessant sanitizing of surfaces:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30678-2/fulltext

" ...attempts to culture the positive swabs on Vero E6 cells were unsuccessful,5 suggesting that patient fomites and surfaces are not contaminated with viable virus."

[Guest]

I posted a link some time ago to a meta-analysis (study which combined results of multiple studies) looking at outdoor covid19 transmission. I can't find it again, but the researchers looked at over 25,000 cases of Covid-19 infection, and in the less than 50 who got it from outdoor contact, there was prolonged (over 15 minutes) face-to-face interaction (such as a wedding reception, rose garden Supreme Court nomination ceremony, etc.). There is strong data to suggest that you can't get it just walking past someone outdoors (even unvaccinated). As I have suggested in other strings, I would advise anyone who's had both doses of the vaccine to get an antibody test (IgG) to make sure you're not one of the unlucky 5% for whom the vaccine didn't take. I have also posted a few times the link to the study which showed that once someone has antibodies, they cannot transmit the illness, even if viral particles are detected via PCR or DFA from nasal swabs. As if that weren't enough evidence, there have now been millions of people, the majority in the healthcare field or in nursing homes (with multiple opportunities for indoor contact) who've received both doses of the vaccine.

The fact that there hasn't been a single documented case of Covid-19 transmission from a fully vaccinated person seems to pretty much confirm the results of previous studies: the vaccinated can't spread the illness. (If they could, we'd be in trouble) Universal masking when indoors is still needed due to the inability to identify the vaccinated from unvaccinated. This requirement comes from a practical standpoint, not from a scientific one.

Also, studies have now shown that transmission from fomites (hand contact to surfaces) is rare, so we can stop the incessant sanitizing of surfaces:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30678-2/fulltext

" ...attempts to culture the positive swabs on Vero E6 cells were unsuccessful,5 suggesting that patient fomites and surfaces are not contaminated with viable virus."

[+ sniper]

I wish the gyms by me would open up the showers too. I understand steamrooms being unsafe, but showers? WTF?

[+ sniper]

I wish the gyms by me would open up the showers too. I understand steamrooms being unsafe, but showers? WTF?

[MassageDrew]

Me, me, me. It's all about me. I just hope your entitlement doesn't get anyone else sick. You may have gotten the vaccine, I got both doses already. That doesn't give me a pass to be careless. The vaccine doesn't guarantee that you won't get it (and pass it on). It only guarantees that you probably won't die from it or get the worse effects of the virus.

[josh282282]

My blood oxygen level dropped 2 points since the pandemic from being indoors more and masked outdoors.

 

Um, what?

Could you clarify?

[+ m_writer]

This is kind of a bummer.

 

Even if I get both vaccines then, I can't have sex with any escorts because of the risk of me passing it to my mother who's 73 years old (who still can't get the vaccine yet due to long waiting periods). And as much as I can desire sex, I want my Mom to stay healthy and live as long as she can, so I don't want to risk it.

 

But from what I'm reading, even if we're both vaccinated, we can still get COVID, and the problem is that we don't know what are the long term effects of the virus, so it's still a bit scary of the unknown.