Do you keep dealing with regular or once met clients if they flake when scheduling subsequent sessions?

[+ Lucky]

@Jarrod_Uncut You seem so conflicted with your work you should seriously consider another line of work. Running a business is not easy, especially in a time of COVID. Flakes are everywhere. A good businessman deals with them but does not constantly go on a message board to complain about them.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

@Jarrod_Uncut You seem so conflicted with your work you should seriously consider another line of work. Running a business is not easy, especially in a time of COVID. Flakes are everywhere. A good businessman deals with them but does not constantly go on a message board to complain about them.

 

Well considering I just made $700 within 24 hours yesterday; and only seen 2 clients, let me be the judge as to whether I want to get into another line of work or not. You need to stay in your lane. If you want me so badly to get into another line of work, find it for me, rewrite my resume, and then pay me during the transitional period. If you can't do all the legwork, I suggest you not make suggestions you can't backup.

 

And don't tell me what a good businessman does or doesn't do. There's been many good businessmen who abuse their spouses, take drugs, and/or have all kinds of neurotic personality issues. You don't even know the half, so don't even try to patronize me with what makes a good businessman.

 

If I want to talk about something, I'm going to talk about it regardless if it's catering to your comfort zone or idea of what a sexworker should or shouldn't be. You got a lot of nerve. Go sit down.

Edited September 26, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[xyz48B]

Well considering I just made $700 within 24 hours yesterday; and only seen 2 clients, let me be the judge as to whether I want to get into another line of work or not. You need to stay in your lane. If you want me so badly to get into another line of work, find it for me, rewrite my resume, and then pay me during the transitional period. If you can't do all the legwork, I suggest you not make suggestions you can't backup.

 

And don't tell me what a good businessman does or doesn't do. There's been many good businessmen who abuse their spouses, take drugs, and/or have all kinds of neurotic personality issues. You don't even know the half, so don't even try to patronize me with what makes a good businessman.

 

If I want to talk about something, I'm going to talk about it regardless if it's catering to your comfort zone or idea of what a sexworker should or shouldn't be. You got a lot of nerve. Go sit down.

Your reaction is over the top. Try reading Lucky’s post with charity instead of suspicion.

 

As for me, as much as you gripe, it does seem you’re unhappy escorting. I don’t rightly care if you’re happy or not, but you come across as a miserably unhappy, entitled, arrogant jerk at times. You’re free to talk about whatever you want to and however you want to, but anyone is also free to draw conclusions about you based off that talk as well. Your talk isn’t immune from consequences. What’s a good standard for you is a good standard for everyone else.

[cany10011]

As an addition to this thread: I’ve decided to change the topic a little bit and include: I’ve had 2 more clients this week, formerly good regulars...fail to keep their plans when arranging a visit. One of such, I read thru my RentMasseur account and he twice emailed me last month and this month Along the lines of, “ARE YOU COMING TO TOWN? I’M SO ANXIOUS TO SEE YOU AGAIN. PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

 

This week I FINALLY went ahead and came to town, contacted him prior...he was SOOOOOO excited, but for the 2nd time has pulled the “I’m so worried about COVID, I’ll have to pass” along with having a misunderstanding about how sex work; works, and now we’re done. I wasn’t worried because I took care of one of my other regulars good, and he’s only 28 years old and SHOWED UP no hassle, like he’s supposed to. Without the drama some of these “senior” hirers can’t seem to stop ??‍♂️ But still...

 

This stuff is just becoming tediously petty. I literally feel like I’m babysitting 2 year olds. Yet these guys are nearly twice my age in some cases. Do men experience a 2nd terrible two’s later in life?

 

I ended up canceling all travels right now, and just not going to bother. I’m just tired of putting in the effort, and getting my hopes up for idiots who don’t want to fucking take anything seriously. They text me one thing completely confident of an appointment, but then in their minds don’t believe they actually booked any time with me.

 

I’m just about ready to retire until next year...

 

 

Sorry this happened to you. I am nervous about COVID too and have not hired since March. I send money periodically to my regulars in exchange for some personal videos/ facetime chats, but have not met up physicaly yet and don‘t want to risk anything as I have aging parents. I know the temptation is real and perhaps your client in a moment of weakness reached out and later had second thoughts.

[+ Lucky]

Well considering I just made $700 within 24 hours yesterday; and only seen 2 clients, let me be the judge as to whether I want to get into another line of work or not. You need to stay in your lane. If you want me so badly to get into another line of work, find it for me, rewrite my resume, and then pay me during the transitional period. If you can't do all the legwork, I suggest you not make suggestions you can't backup.

 

And don't tell me what a good businessman does or doesn't do. There's been many good businessmen who abuse their spouses, take drugs, and/or have all kinds of neurotic personality issues. You don't even know the half, so don't even try to patronize me with what makes a good businessman.

 

If I want to talk about something, I'm going to talk about it regardless if it's catering to your comfort zone or idea of what a sexworker should or shouldn't be. You got a lot of nerve. Go sit down.

Then why not quit the incessant whining and allegations of racism?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Your reaction is over the top. Try reading Lucky’s post with charity instead of suspicion.

 

As for me, as much as you gripe, it does seem you’re unhappy escorting. I don’t rightly care if you’re happy or not, but you come across as a miserably unhappy, entitled, arrogant jerk at times. You’re free to talk about whatever you want to and however you want to, but anyone is also free to draw conclusions about you based off that talk as well. Your talk isn’t immune from consequences. What’s a good standard for you is a good standard for everyone else.

 

Well your response is “emblematic” of someone who can’t relate to what a sex worker is experiencing. But why should I be surprised ? . I don’t have to read Lucky’s post with any iota of charity. Soon as he said “good business man” and tried to define it by someone who doesn’t “complain” on a forum, he lost all bits of charity with me. He basically negated an epidemic issue, and confined it to a mere “complaint”. Therefore he gets no charity from me. He can go to the Red Cross ? if he wants charity.

 

Agree or disagree, but don’t put me down and then brandish it as being supportive.

 

What I talked about In this post is THE REALITY. If it comes off unhappy, jerky or arrogant...that’s unfortunate that you allow yourself to perceive it that way, but it says more about you than it does about me. Because I’m not intending to come off that way, I’m intending to create an understanding.

 

 

Sorry this happened to you. I am nervous about COVID too and have not hired since March. I send money periodically to my regulars in exchange for some personal videos/ facetime chats, but have not met up physicaly yet and don‘t want to risk anything as I have aging parents. I know the temptation is real and perhaps your client in a moment of weakness reached out and later had second thoughts.

 

That is true. One client did say that. However, I couldn’t really vibe with that because he had contacted me a couple times prior saying he was “so anxious” for me to get back to town, and if/when was I coming. Then the day of planning, he flaked and didn’t bother showing up once I arrived. I think he more so wanted a steep discount, but used Covid as an excuse. It’s no secret that guys use being sick to get out of things, and Covid just gives them 1 more excuse to make up.

 

I know that’s not the case for every Covid cancellation, but all in all it has been a large part.

 

 

Then why not quit the incessant whining and allegations of racism?

 

Because it’s not your place to order me what to do. That’s why. You can offer advice and opinions without being condescending. You can read up above as to why, if you need more clarity.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[xyz48B]

Whatever…I said what I said. Your screed doesn’t change that or my opinion.

Edited September 28, 2020 by xyz48B

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Whatever…I said what I said. Your screed doesn’t change that or my opinion.

 

Likewise...I said what I said. You disagreeing doesn’t change that nor my opinion either.

 

I think you and I have a lot more in common than it seems. Everything you say, I agree with in the same as it pertains to you.

[xyz48B]

I think you and I have a lot more in common than it seems.

Nah. I’m medicated and see a shrink for my problems. I’m not too proud to say I need help dealing with my issues ??

[Storm4U]

I agree with @RandyVue. If someone flakes, you can just not book an appointment with them again. Anyone I dont want to book with for one reason or another, I save their number and put “do not book” next to their number so that the next time they call or text, I know not to book them.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Storm4U

[xyz48B]

I agree with @RandyVue. If someone flakes, you can just not book an appointment with them again. Anyone I dont want to book with for one reason or another, I save their number and put “do not book” so that the next time they call or text, I know not to book them.

Novel! Insightful! You mean it’s not complicated and you don’t complain about it incessantly?

[Storm4U]

Novel! Insightful! You mean it’s not complicated and you don’t complain about it incessantly?

Lol exactly! ?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Nah. I’m medicated and see a shrink for my problems. I’m not too proud to say I need help dealing with my issues ??

 

Well, pat yourself on the back. Maybe your shrink can advise you to be less condescending, especially when it comes to issues that you don’t even have direct experience dealing with.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with @RandyVue. If someone flakes, you can just not book an appointment with them again. Anyone I dont want to book with for one reason or another, I save their number and put “do not book” next to their number so that the next time they call or text, I know not to book them.

 

Well as of lately, I’ve not been giving anyone who flakes a 2nd chance. I’ve already cut 2 previously met clients over the past week. One of who was a regular regular, but I’ve previously had issues with him before so it wasn’t hard to let him know: don’t contact me again.

 

I’ve also blocked 2 additional people last week as well. It’s pretty clear, 2020 has been the year that I’ve had to drop and burn bridges with more clients than any other year. I just don’t have the tolerance for people who make a concerted interest in an appointment, then back out. The pandemic is indirectly affecting people’s mindframes in other ways.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[xyz48B]

@Jarrod_Uncut, maybe you ought to consider writing a self help book. Or some other sort of guide to how to live life. You could combine your two favorite passions – writing endlessly with no real worthy content and offering self-referential universal advice to others. Oops. Sorry. I guess that was another suggestion and you don’t want that. You know everything already. My bad.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Novel! Insightful! You mean it’s not complicated and you don’t complain about it incessantly?

 

My question is; why are you still here? If you don’t like reading what I’m saying, there’s 100,000 other threads going back to 2003 that you can read. You ain’t gotta be all up in here.

 

Now you’re just being a bully. And you need to stop lying to the forum talking about you seeing a shrink and on meds, because if you was you’d be more focused on minding your own, instead of worrying about mine ✋?

 

 

Oops. Sorry. I guess that was another suggestion and you don’t want that. You know everything already. My bad.

 

Why don’t you start with writing your own thread, before suggesting me to write a book, and leave. Please ??‍♂️ Other people want to give advice, and you’re being an incinerator.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[xyz48B]

@Jarrod_Uncut, it seems the best advice was offered by @Storm4U and @RandyVue. It’s not terribly complicated.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

@Jarrod_Uncut' date=' it seems the best advice was offered by [mention=8147']Storm4U[/mention] and @RandyVue. It’s not terribly complicated.

 

And I read it and replied to them accordingly. However others have also chimed in. Never said it was complicated, but there's more than 1 viewpoint. Like I said, if you can't handle the discussion, you're free to leave and read the other 100,000 threads.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

I blocked someone today in RM after they canceled on me last minute. The vibe he gave me to start was good and informal and casual. This morning he messages me saying unfortunately something has come up. I politely asked him why he had to cancel and told him that his cancellation directly effects my finances and schedule (I moved things around just for the appt). I also asked him if he would like to reschedule at some point during the week and he said no. The conversation went from informal to formal real quick with him feeding me the “In these unprecedented times” bullshit line. I also conveyed to him that I just received negative test results from my coronavirus test. I understand what we do here is taboo but this is still a business. I could smell his bullshit from across the Hudson River so therefore I blocked him. I won’t be fooled twice....it was obvious he never intended to meet from the get go.....we’ve had several convos last year before Covid that never led to a concrete booking. People need to understand that if you are going to waste my time, play games, or chat me up for hours just to jerk off to my pics, then they will never see the goodies....and I have some awesome awesome goodies......if only providers could establish a list of time wasters to help save ourselves the trouble of dealing with the bullshit.

 

??‍♂️ atypical. “Something came up” and then using Covid as a convenient backdrop.

 

And what you’re saying is not a “complaint” like some seem lead to believe. It’s a valid concern that needs call for change. I wrote RentMen the other day, about similar description as yours...and only got “we will forward your concern to the RentMen webmaster” or something along those lines. Which at least is a response, and I feel they are acknowledging: but they need to take the route that Men4Rent took: Allowing registered providers to privately “review” clients, and have a search function to do so. That atleast helps create an accessible list for advertisers, despite some providers having their own private blacklist.

 

I have a loooooong list of blocked numbers in my phone. Ironically, many start with 816/913 (Kansas Shitty...In the top 10 for time wasters per capita, and I feel bad for traveling escorts who come thinking they’re going to make much of anything), 407/813 (Tampon/PoorLando), 612 (For some strange reason, lots of Timewaster’s come from visiting Minnesotans despite the city itself being okay to work from). I also have 4 numbers from Palm Springs as “Palm Springs Timewaster”. Denver is also among the top 10.

 

But see, this is exactly why too, I’m going to start to renewing my efforts in the bar game. I had a client I met at the bar the other day, and he seemed like he didn’t want to do it (and rightfully said so), but he didn’t walk away and I was just enjoying the drinks that kept coming anyway. $250 later, I was up in the hotel room.

 

Problem with the internet and RentMen, #1 it’s too many options, and #2 it’s too easy to play around and be anonymous. I mean, picking clients from gay bars isn’t necessarily an easy feat, and for me I have to keep myself busy with a drink... so it’s not something I can do every night or even every week. But the online escort game is becoming lonely, frustrating, and diminishing returns. I only had to spend $3 on 1 drink last week, to pick up a client. RentMen: spend $80, let 4 guys waste your time before getting maybe 1 or 2 clients in 2 weeks ?

[Lazarus]

They need to bring back hustler bars so everyone can see who they are dealing with up front. I’m sick of hiring guys based on pictures only to find out once I meet them that they are not my type at all. This happened to me the last 2 times I hired someone (back in February). Within 2 minutes of meeting them I knew they weren’t my type. A big waste of money & time!

[NikoLeto]

I blocked someone today in RM after they canceled on me last minute. The vibe he gave me to start was good and informal and casual. This morning he messages me saying unfortunately something has come up. I politely asked him why he had to cancel and told him that his cancellation directly effects my finances and schedule (I moved things around just for the appt). I also asked him if he would like to reschedule at some point during the week and he said no. The conversation went from informal to formal real quick with him feeding me the “In these unprecedented times” bullshit line. I also conveyed to him that I just received negative test results from my coronavirus test. I understand what we do here is taboo but this is still a business. I could smell his bullshit from across the Hudson River so therefore I blocked him. I won’t be fooled twice....it was obvious he never intended to meet from the get go.....we’ve had several convos last year before Covid that never led to a concrete booking. People need to understand that if you are going to waste my time, play games, or chat me up for hours just to jerk off to my pics, then they will never see the goodies....and I have some awesome awesome goodies......if only providers could establish a list of time wasters to help save ourselves the trouble of dealing with the bullshit.

 

This is exactly it. I think I might've posted it elsewhere in a similar topic: give people one chance (perhaps two, especially if they've been reliable in the past) and then personally blacklist them. Save a red X (❌) on their contact card. Mute notifications from their number. Do not waste time or energy on them. It's literally not worth it.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

They need to bring back hustler bars so everyone can see who they are dealing with up front. I’m sick of hiring guys based on pictures only to find out once I meet them that they are not my type at all. This happened to me the last 2 times I hired someone (back in February). Within 2 minutes of meeting them I knew they weren’t my type. A big waste of money & time!

 

that’s why it’s a good idea to try and meet guys with either RentMen videos or Justforfans

 

obviosuly that’s not guarantee of chemistry, but it’s still a good way to get some sort of visual.

 

 

This is exactly it. I think I might've posted it elsewhere in a similar topic: give people one chance (perhaps two, especially if they've been reliable in the past) and then personally blacklist them. Save a red X (❌) on their contact card. Mute notifications from their number. Do not waste time or energy on them. It's literally not worth it.

 

I understand not wasting time or energy, but in the case of @RyanChambers, I woulda made a point about a cancellation fee. And the ones who don’t want to do it, get an honorable mention on social media.

 

But at the same time, it’s also why I’ve just become 100% deposit based. I decided awhile back I don’t even want to take appointments in advance without a deposit. The only time I may let it slide, is if someone is wanting to meet within an hour or 2, and THEY can host (versus me hosting and they don’t show up).

 

But even over Labor Day I had a client send a deposit, and tried to cancel within minutes of me getting off his exit. ??‍♂️ I called him like, dude...it’s Labor Day Monday. Traffic was backed up every few miles. So he ended up keeping it. I think had I not requested the deposit, he might of blocked me. But who knows, he probably was stood up by other providers in the past.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[jeezifonly]

I blocked someone today in RM ... ....if only providers could establish a list of time wasters to help save ourselves the trouble of dealing with the bullshit.

It’s an iPhone App called Contacts.

You can make your own more concise list, by grouping client contacts into FLAKES, NEVER AGAINS or STINKY GREAT TIPPERS. ?

[Trick]

It’s an iPhone App called Contacts.

You can make your own more concise list, by grouping client contacts into FLAKES, NEVER AGAINS or STINKY GREAT TIPPERS. ?

 

I have that for escorts on my contacts list. If an escort has KFC next to his name, he KISSES, he FUCKS, he CUMS.

Edited October 1, 2020 by Trick

[+ FrankR]

I blocked someone today in RM after they canceled on me last minute. The vibe he gave me to start was good and informal and casual. This morning he messages me saying unfortunately something has come up. I politely asked him why he had to cancel and told him that his cancellation directly effects my finances and schedule (I moved things around just for the appt). I also asked him if he would like to reschedule at some point during the week and he said no. The conversation went from informal to formal real quick with him feeding me the “In these unprecedented times” bullshit line. I also conveyed to him that I just received negative test results from my coronavirus test. I understand what we do here is taboo but this is still a business. I could smell his bullshit from across the Hudson River so therefore I blocked him. I won’t be fooled twice....it was obvious he never intended to meet from the get go.....we’ve had several convos last year before Covid that never led to a concrete booking. People need to understand that if you are going to waste my time, play games, or chat me up for hours just to jerk off to my pics, then they will never see the goodies....and I have some awesome awesome goodies......if only providers could establish a list of time wasters to help save ourselves the trouble of dealing with the bullshit.

I am sorry to say that good manners aren't common. Ever notice how many guys give themselves out as "gentleman" or "generous" but when it comes to acting like one they don't step up? I will do my due diligence - we need to be a good fit after all, but I won't waste your time. And if I cancel on short notice (same day) I will tell you as soon as I can and pay a cancellation fee. It doesn't happen often that I cancel but my providers are always surprised when I make it up to them. That is kinda sad when you think about it. Treat folks like you want to be treated - it is the right thing to do.

 

Edited October 1, 2020 by FrankR

[littlenut]

I’ve cancelled (flaked?) as a client two times.

 

The first was my first (would-be) hire, Mike Grey. I called the night before and said I couldn’t go through with it. I was so panicked, I never gave it a thought how my cancellation impacted him. Not a proud moment looking back, but I was inexperienced with guys, and the hiring protocol.

 

The second time was with Dane Scott, who I had seen before (and since). But I legitimately had a work issue come up, so I had to cancel same-day. To make it up to him somewhat, I gifted him his ad on Rentmen.

 

Just offering these examples to show that cancellations do sometimes happen and it’s not (always) someone trying to be an asshole.

 

By the way, as a client I’ve been same-day cancelled/no show-ed on - at least - six occasions. Including one individual twice (I’m 0 for 2 with him). And all have been well-reviewed on this board. So it definitely works both ways.