? Get your Flu Shot ! ?

[+ FrankR]

I call bullshit. I’m tired of this tired philosophy that people who don’t get vaccinated or don’t wear masks, or don’t stay home and rot while bills pile up, are “foolish” and are “endangering” the poor, frail, innocent human population. Give me a break.

 

Those that are healthy should get the flu shot. Not just for their own protection, but also the protection of others. It is easy to forget that there are many people in our society that are in fact frail and cannot take the flu shot. By taking it, you are protecting them. The needs of the many...

 

 

[Guest]

.... A flu vaccine is nothing more than exposing yourself (Intravenously) to a (dead) virus. So if someone is willing or capable to get the actual virus and deal with (perhaps) mild symptoms (considering not everyone will be equally affected)....is that in itself not a vaccine? We’ve already heard most people with Covid 19 are asymptotic. So to HELL does it matter if the old man/lady down the street who is already dying anyway of something else, gets infected?

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First of all, there are no intravenous vaccines. And so what that over 200,000 people in the US have died from this? Not all deaths are "old ladies." What if it were your mother or grandma or someone you loved? I know that your reaction isn't uncommon, but it's shockingly callous in my opinion. I heard a man on TV today tell a reporter that the last time he saw his wife was when they ambulance took her. So what the hell does it matter? Really?

[thedanNYC]

First of all, there are no intravenous vaccines. And so what that over 200,000 people in the US have died from this? Not all deaths are "old ladies." What if it were your mother or grandma or someone you loved? I know that your reaction isn't uncommon, but it's shockingly callous in my opinion. I heard a man on TV today tell a reporter that the last time he saw his wife was when they ambulance took her. So what the hell does it matter? Really?

 

Agreed. I vote we infect this unvaccinated thread with a severe strain of the flu, and let it pass on. There's nowhere to go from here.

[orville]

By taking it, you are protecting them. The needs of the many...

I heard a man on TV today tell a reporter that the last time he saw his wife was when the ambulance took her. So what the hell does it matter?

Luckily for most of us, at least in Canada, people opposed to recommendations of health care authorities are the minority.

Today I went for a COVID test and I was pleased to see at least 100 people waiting in line to take their test.

That was just 1 testing center of many that our government has put in place throughout the Toronto Metropolitan Area.

During my 2 hrs waiting in line there was ONLY 1 guy who showed up with a sign that said COVID = HOAX, and asking people to spit at him.

People just looked at him, either with disapproval or compassion, and he was quickly taken away by security staff.

Edited September 22, 2020 by orville

[LivingnLA]

Luckily for most of us, at least in Canada, people opposed to recommendations of health care authorities are the minority.

Today I went for a COVID test and I was pleased to see a line of at least 100 people waiting in line to take the test.

That was just 1 testing center of many that our government has put in place throughout the Toronto Metropolitan Area.

During my 2 hrs waiting in line there was ONLY 1 guy who showed up with 1 sign that said COVID = HOAX, and asking people to spit at him.

People just looked at him, either with disapproval or compassion, and he was quickly taken away by security staff.

 

They're a minority here too, anything from 20-40% depending on the poll. Unfortunately, they're the minority that controls the government and basically most of the economy. Unfortunately, they're vocal and effectively spreading their conspiracies.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/these-are-states-worst-vaccination-rates-1224709

 

https://observer.com/2020/09/poll-americans-wouldnt-take-covid-19-vaccine-this-fall/

[orville]

Unfortunately, they're vocal and effectively spreading their conspiracies.

Yes, it's like some sort of vicious circle. They use Social Media to spread their lies and the people that are mostly engaged in their phones and social media all day happen to be young people as well.

[Guest]

Just had a TeleHealth visit with a 44 year old patient today. No health problems. No asthma. Not diabetic. Not obese (178#). Was in the ICU for 44 days due to Covid complications. To those of you who think it only causes serious illness in the elderly, asthmatics/COPD patients, or diabetics: think again.

[+ sync]

Got the flu shot yesterday. I've gotten a flu shot every year for as far back as I can remember, and yesterday is the first time that I've had a really bad reaction. It gave me the works: severe back pain, nausea, vomiting, and weakness. I'm taking comfort in knowing that I have some protection and that my reaction is not uncommon. Feeling much better today, and no longer fantasizing my hands on the throat of the pharmacist.

[LivingnLA]

Feeling much better today, and no longer fantasizing my hands on the throat of the pharmacist.

 

I'm glad you're feeling better. The shot was fine for all of us, though one had a sore arm for a couple days.

 

There are other ways to choke the pharmacist. ?

[Guest]

...

There are other ways to choke the pharmacist. ?

Or, I'd like him to choke me....

[+ IronMaus]

This past flu season was a double barrel flu season - where two strains overlap, making it easier to get it twice, or the vaccine less effective - and around 62,000 died. Covid-19 has killed some of my clients, and a lot of the 200,000 people that have died so far are in the age range of my clients. And my parents, for that matter.

 

Getting my flu shot next week. I didn't use to get one because I'd never had the flu and I had a lot of friends who got sick every year when they get it, so I shrugged it off. But I think that was selfish of me because getting the flu shot is more about protecting others than protecting myself - like wearing a mask, or not j-walking in front of children, or not punching people in the face.

 

I do not feel inconvenienced by the possibility of getting sick from the shot, or getting the flu anyways, because I can survive either and I hope that when I feel comfortable to start working again my clients and parents are still alive.

[+ sync]

Or, I'd like him to choke me....

 

I'd like to choke this one...with my lips. ?

[+ jeezopete]

getting the flu shot is more about protecting others than protecting myself

:)YES! I just wish more people had this attitude. (note: I was going to say, "...more young people..." but there are a lot of people of all ages that don't see it the same way you & I do.)

[+ IronMaus]

:)YES! I just wish more people had this attitude. (note: I was going to say, "...more young people..." but there are a lot of people of all ages that don't see it the same way you & I do.)

I'm flattered by your inclination to call me young Don't tell anybody, but I'm not a real millennial - I just play one in porn!

[Guest]

I heard on the news yesterday that this winter in Australia, due to travel restrictions/distancing/masks, influenza deaths in Australia went from something like 850 in 2019 to 1 in 2020. Still worth getting the flu shot because if you got both at the same time, you'd be pretty likely to die. But this portends for a light flu season in the northern hemisphere this year.

[+ Charlie]

We got our flu shots at the doctor's office yesterday. I am feeling slightly under the weather today, but otherwise no reaction. I have been getting flu shots for years, no bad reactions, and I haven't had a case of the flu since sometime in the last century.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

First of all, there are no intravenous vaccines. And so what that over 200,000 people in the US have died from this? Not all deaths are "old ladies." What if it were your mother or grandma or someone you loved? I know that your reaction isn't uncommon, but it's shockingly callous in my opinion. I heard a man on TV today tell a reporter that the last time he saw his wife was when they ambulance took her. So what the hell does it matter? Really?

 

 

But did i say it was only old ladies? And my bad: I have gotten many shots in my day. Most of the time they say make a fist and expose some veins. But you're right, that's likely for drawing blood, not giving vaccinations. My mistake. I meant that the vaccines are given into a muscle, not a vein. Internally, not intravenously.

 

That said, I'm happy to report I'm still alive and well today (even though some days I feel like wanting to die, but the Lord just keeps saying: not today. You've got more work to do). Like I said, I'm not a doctor or condoning anti vaccing, etc. But until law mandates it; it's still at the end of the day a personal choice. And do we want it mandated by law? Waiting in line like a driver's license office amongst dozens of people, overwhelming the medical system? Probably not. But let's not put down those who choose not to.

 

I'm saying this from personal experience: living with asthma, seeing family die of cancers, having family members work as nurses their whole career, seeing sick people all the time etc, spending lots of times in hospitals and doctors offices.

 

Non of my doctors or hospitals have ever pushed the flu vaccine on me. If I said no, that was the end of the conversation. They do however push prep and HIV protection, in which case I politely smile and say, thanks...But no thanks. I prefer to be vigilant about my sexual health in other ways.

 

As far as protecting others? Last time I checked we're all sex workers and those who hire sex workers. What happened to: "when you have sex with 1 person, you're having sex with everyone they've slept with (usually equally to like the whole world's population when you do the math ?. And let's not pretend like sex with strangers is 100% foolproof

Edited September 25, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ bashful]

Got a flu shot on Monday.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

FACT: Vaccines keep a myriad of deadly diseases at bay.

 

I always get my flu shot. Never had a side-effect, thankfully.

 

I am fully vaccinated not only for my protection, but for the health of people around me.

[down_to_business]

Of all the things we vaccinate against, shingles is by far the most common in that about 30% of unvaccinated people will eventually get it. If you get your flu shot before October 1st (which is before flu season usually starts in the US), you should get a booster shot in January.

 

Is the "booster" a second flu shot or is it something else? I went earlier than normal this year.

 

Also an advocate for the flu shot. I started getting them a long time ago for work related reasons, always protected me, and I haven't stopped yet.

[Guest]

Is the "booster" a second flu shot or is it something else? I went earlier than normal this year.

 

Also an advocate for the flu shot. I started getting them a long time ago for work related reasons, always protected me, and I haven't stopped yet.

Doesn't have to be from the same manufacturer, but may be. Try to get the high-dose shot if you can.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

you're the biggest idiot I've encountered in my 30 years online.

 

Okay Mr. I shouldn’t an opinion. Since you think I’m such an idiot: let’s go beyond this conversation, and take it further.

 

I don’t know you, but let’s compare each other’s real life health side by side, and see who’s healthier overall...versus basing it on a post about a flu shot.

 

It’s comments like that, which are why people can’t ever think for themselves or ever question anything doctors push for them. Oftentimes due to the shame by others. A regular client of mine yesterday was telling me about a family member of his, who now has both hands and feet amputated, due to blood pressure medications she was placed on while in a coma, that resulted from kidney stones blocking her urethra. That’s why the word, “medical malpractice” exists.

 

All I’m saying: The flu shot very well does offer protections, but it’s not 100% that you’ll get protected, and it’s also a lot of stuff in it that they don’t tell you. That’s facts. Regardless if you don’t want to hear it. What’s wrong with being in the know about what’s in a product, and deciding for yourself whether you want it or not? I used to have another client I knew from Denver, he told me verbatim: “every year I get the flu shot, and still end up getting the flu”.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Just had a TeleHealth visit with a 44 year old patient today. No health problems. No asthma. Not diabetic. Not obese (178#). Was in the ICU for 44 days due to Covid complications. To those of you who think it only causes serious illness in the elderly, asthmatics/COPD patients, or diabetics: think again.

 

 

That’s unfortunate to hear. But, it seems this thread was simply about getting or not getting a flu shot. Covid is Covid, a flu shot is not the same. It seems the idea is to push the flu shot, because Covid is so bad. But based on the story you told me, it doesn’t seem that it would matter one way or the other, considering it’s bad by itself.

 

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I don’t know anyone who’s been in the ICU from Covid. Is there anything wrong with that revelation? Can a person say, “I know this is a bad thing, but I just don’t know anyone personally who’s passed or been hospitalized from this”. I was starting to worry about a client I’ve not heard from in awhile, wondering if perhaps COVID had got to him. Turns out he was just in Alaska hunting.

 

Here’s an article from 2015 I found, and as you can see it sounds like the same story in 2020. Maybe when someone else says it, people will think different. Since obviously somebody thinks I’m a big idiot for reading on differing recommendations:

 

https://philmaffetone.com/flu-shots/

 

A flu shot does not make you healthy. Too many people are confused about this issue. It provides you with artificial immunity. Even if this protects you against a particular strain of flu, there may be another 200 viruses out there during any given flu season which you won’t be protected against.

 

A flu shot, however, can sometimes hurt a healthy immune system. This occurs when mercury-based chemical preservatives are used in the vaccine.

 

If you are at high risk, have poor immune function and don’t have natural immunity, a vaccine against a particular virus might be a consideration because it would at least provide you with artificial immunity. But that’s assuming the theory that artificial immunity against the flu means you’re more protected. All the experts don’t agree on this notion.

Edited September 26, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[thedanNYC]

But did i say it was only old ladies? And my bad: I have gotten many shots in my day. Most of the time they say make a fist and expose some veins. But you're right, that's likely for drawing blood, not giving vaccinations. My mistake. I meant that the vaccines are given into a muscle, not a vein. Internally, not intravenously.

 

That said, I'm happy to report I'm still alive and well today (even though some days I feel like wanting to die, but the Lord just keeps saying: not today. You've got more work to do). Like I said, I'm not a doctor or condoning anti vaccing, etc. But until law mandates it; it's still at the end of the day a personal choice. And do we want it mandated by law? Waiting in line like a driver's license office amongst dozens of people, overwhelming the medical system? Probably not. But let's not put down those who choose not to.

 

I'm saying this from personal experience: living with asthma, seeing family die of cancers, having family members work as nurses their whole career, seeing sick people all the time etc, spending lots of times in hospitals and doctors offices.

 

Non of my doctors or hospitals have ever pushed the flu vaccine on me. If I said no, that was the end of the conversation. They do however push prep and HIV protection, in which case I politely smile and say, thanks...But no thanks. I prefer to be vigilant about my sexual health in other ways.

 

As far as protecting others? Last time I checked we're all sex workers and those who hire sex workers. What happened to: "when you have sex with 1 person, you're having sex with everyone they've slept with (usually equally to like the whole world's population when you do the math ?. And let's not pretend like sex with strangers is 100% foolproof

 

@Unicorn was reacting to the fact that, before you edited your posts, you said: "We’ve already heard most people with Covid 19 are asymptotic. So to HELL does it matter if the old man/lady down the street who is already dying anyway of something else, gets infected?" It's right in the quoted text in @Unicorn's post if you need to refresh your memory.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Continued from above:

 

Making the choice to get a flu shot is your choice – not the government’s or your insurance company, and it should be based on your doctor’s input following a proper history and exam, and considering your risk of infection and potential exposure to infected individuals. No one should be required – forced – to have a flu shot (something that is being done with health care workers in New York).

 

 

@Unicorn was reacting to the fact that, before you edited your posts, you said: "We’ve already heard most people with Covid 19 are asymptotic. So to HELL does it matter if the old man/lady down the street who is already dying anyway of something else, gets infected?" It's right in the quoted text in @Unicorn's post if you need to refresh your memory.

 

I said man AND lady ? Let’s be clear. That was meant to be a metaphor, not actual facts. The metaphor being: the old man and lady I referred to represent a bigger picture: those who don’t have access to health insurance for even basic and routine medical issues for pre-existing conditions. I know it didn’t sound like that, but I forget many people on the forum take things at face value. Versus reading between the lines.

 

I do however live right next door to an actual older couple, I usually wear masks around them out of politeness, but they often look at me weird and I’ve never seen them wear a mask, ever.

 

It’s really nothing more to argue about though.