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Do escorts use Rentmen because that's where the clients are, or do clients use Rentmen because that's where the escorts are? Why not Friendboy, Mintboys, or Hunqz...or do in-the-know providers/clients use those websites as well?

 

Rentmen's monopoly is a bit frightening. Lack of robust competition does not strike me as good for an industry -- we all saw what happened due to the over-reliance on Rentboy. Rentmen's customer service is often non-responsive, and certain features, like RM Messenger, are pretty botched.

 

I also find it scary for (most) providers that one website can control their livelihoods.

 

Am I the only person who is wary of this website -- and its global collection of personal data and financial information from legally-vulnerable populations?

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I guess there just has to be a reliable and competitive alternative. As a client/user i find that RM has much more thorough profile information (not that profiles can't be faked) but that the search and usability is much more advanced than the other services that you mentioned.

 

I also find that with more information at least attempted to be covered in a RM profile it helps me not waste the other sides time with unnessary communication trying to find out some basic information that other sites don't have as standard in their profiles. I don't disagree with you but one quick example that comes to mind is that Mintboys doesn't list Weight metrics. Also i find more of the personality can come through by RM interviews and allows more of that ability to provide information that i sometimes find helpful when determining if profiles are more or less likely to be real or fake.

 

And in addition to the better searchable criteria in RM's database structure, i have also found incremental value from being able to directly and confidentially contact other reviewers through their (former email) and current messenging service.

 

Again i am not disagreeing with your assessment of their dominant market share and the collective reliance on it, but from my client user perspective the information and tools to me are easier to use and superior.

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I'm on RentMasseur now, but not yet RentMen. But in both cases they are the only good options due to being based outside of the US with the new internet regulations. We lost Rentboy, MassageM4m, and others. Masseurfinder is good, but limits content to try to protect themselves. I do agree that I like the interview feature and ability to put more content and pictures on the Rmen/Rmasseur sites. Some guys do build their own sites, but then still really need a central place to first be found. There are not a lot of options. I was even thinking of putting a classified ad in our local gay newspaper - talk about old school!

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Am I the only person who is wary of this website -- and its global collection of personal data and financial information from legally-vulnerable populations?

 

My biggest wary would be if someone has a disagreement with RM, and then gets banned. Or if RentMen powers it be, just decide to cancel someone. However, I’ve seen some guys create all new ads periodically, which may allude to the idea that getting true banned from RentMen may not be certain.

 

That said, I feel there’s an upside and downside to it. The downsides you mentioned, but the plus sides is, there’s not dozens of sites to choose from and look around on client’s end. And it also doesn’t become a rat race for us trying to keep up with all the monthly payments. I know with men4rent and rentboy, it was an extra bill I didn’t need. The same clients would often see me on more than 1 site anyway.

 

I think long RentMen plays their cards right and don’t make the same mistakes, it’ll stay afloat. I don’t like the other site’s referring to escorts as “boys” because it sounds like guys down on their luck or looking for sugar daddies. RentMen and RentMasseur sound more mature.

 

I would STILL like to see apps like Grindr start allowing paid escort ads: It would rival RentMen’s hold in the industry. Of course, there’s plenty of guys already using Grindr for services, I can’t be bothered. I like adam4adam because I can freely list my ad and make it known I’m for biz.

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Currently I don’t see a problem. I use it exclusively to find escorts. I am also comfortable with their being based in Europe where laws on prostitution and gay sex generally are much more relaxed and progressive. Being in Canada I also get access to all the comments in their reviews, which is very helpful in making decisions re hiring.

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Do escorts use Rentmen because that's where the clients are, or do clients use Rentmen because that's where the escorts are?

Both.

Why not Friendboy, Mintboys, or Hunqz...or do in-the-know providers/clients use those websites as well?

No other site can compete against Rentmen website traffic.

Rentmen's monopoly is a bit frightening. Lack of robust competition does not strike me as good for an industry -- we all saw what happened due to the over-reliance on Rentboy. Rentmen's customer service is often non-responsive, and certain features, like RM Messenger, are pretty botched.

I also find it scary for (most) providers that one website can control their livelihoods.

Am I the only person who is wary of this website -- and its global collection of personal data and financial information from legally-vulnerable populations?

I think Rentmen is not perfect but they do a decent job offering some features to gain clients' trust; i.e.: ID and Photos verification. Even with those controls we can find scammers from time to time. Imagine if there was no control at all. The problem (and I don't think there is any) could be resolved if there was a much better option in the market. Currently, there is none.

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As a listing site, RM does what it can and it does it pretty well.

 

What they don't do very well (and should think about stopping) are the reviews. In a perfect world, they would approach Daddy with a tag-team deal: They list and then directly refer clients to Daddy's for the review side of things. Everybody has content, everyone is happy(ish).

 

Why cannibalize an already small group of niche websites?

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As a listing site, RM does what it can and it does it pretty well.

 

What they don't do very well (and should think about stopping) are the reviews. In a perfect world, they would approach Daddy with a tag-team deal: They list and then directly refer clients to Daddy's for the review side of things. Everybody has content, everyone is happy(ish).

 

Why cannibalize an already small group of niche websites?

Not disagreeing with your idea but thinking through it all, do you think if that were to happen that many of the "fake reviewer" profiles on RM would just migrate and create "fake" Daddy's accounts and potentially then dilute the percentage of more objective client user feedback and overall quality and effectiveness of a Daddy review? Just thinking out loud.

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As a listing site, RM does what it can and it does it pretty well.

 

What they don't do very well (and should think about stopping) are the reviews. In a perfect world, they would approach Daddy with a tag-team deal: They list and then directly refer clients to Daddy's for the review side of things. Everybody has content, everyone is happy(ish).

 

Why cannibalize an already small group of niche websites?

I use RM and rely on their reviews to a considerable extent. However I am always mindful that some reviewers may be fake or may not have the same critical faculties I have, for instance first time experiences, different expectations etc. On RM one can pm the reviewers and ask questions about their experiences with the escort in question You don’t always get a reply but in the genuine reviews, you usually do. And then I check the reviewer’s other reviews to make my on assessment of the escort in question and whether we would be a good fit. Takes some work and patience but if you are investing $1k or more for a session, worth it IMO.

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Why cannibalize an already small group of niche websites?

Well, the RM reviews are more explicit than Daddy allows. Of course to see those explicit reviews, you need to route RM through a (german?) proxy, which isn't convenient. Obviously, MER reviews are very explicit, but that site is more of a social site than especially useful review site.

 

Long ago Aaron Lawrence said to Hooboy, as Hoo was building this site, that a site should not both charge escorts and have escort reviews, it creates a conflict of interest; smart kid. RM is doing both now, it's not ideal.

 

So, Daddy's is both ethical and fair, because we don't pay. Unfortunately, Daddy's is not explicit. I don't mind that, in fact it's probably keeps escorts safer from prosecution. However, explicit reviews are more helpful for clients, I believe. As I said, MER is very explicit, but also very incomplete.

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Long ago Aaron Lawrence said to Hooboy, as Hoo was building this site, that a site should not both charge escorts and have escort reviews,

 

Aaron Lawrence....blast from the past.....quirky, fun, upbeat personality....talented writer.....cute face.....(nice cock)....but....small build / too thin for any real sexual attraction for me to ever hire.....he was successful & busy with lots & lots of others though.

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Do escorts use Rentmen because that's where the clients are, or do clients use Rentmen because that's where the escorts are? Why not Friendboy, Mintboys, or Hunqz...or do in-the-know providers/clients use those websites as well?

 

Rentmen's monopoly is a bit frightening. Lack of robust competition does not strike me as good for an industry -- we all saw what happened due to the over-reliance on Rentboy. Rentmen's customer service is often non-responsive, and certain features, like RM Messenger, are pretty botched.

 

I also find it scary for (most) providers that one website can control their livelihoods.

 

Am I the only person who is wary of this website -- and its global collection of personal data and financial information from legally-vulnerable populations?

 

It's called free market or should I say it was called free market till the government raided Rentboy and from that moment on Rentmen has been ruling.

 

I wish there was an alternative but as of now rentmen is the most effective way for guys to advertise and be hired.

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I was a premium Rentmen user. I tried to renew about 2 weeks ago. To finalise the transaction I was required to take a photo of my credit card, a piece of identification eg drivers license and write a statement to the effect that this was me. This gave me the creeps and declined to do so. What do others think?

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I was a premium Rentmen user. I tried to renew about 2 weeks ago. To finalise the transaction I was required to take a photo of my credit card, a piece of identification eg drivers license and write a statement to the effect that this was me. This gave me the creeps and declined to do so. What do others think?

I am surprised to hear they are doing this. The same scammer has been posting an ad every other week using the same 2 sets of stolen pictures & they run the ads each time. I don’t know how this guy gets around their “verification“ but he has been successful at least 6 times.

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I was a premium Rentmen user. I tried to renew about 2 weeks ago. To finalise the transaction I was required to take a photo of my credit card, a piece of identification eg drivers license and write a statement to the effect that this was me. This gave me the creeps and declined to do so. What do others think?

Wow, that seems excessive.

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Pretty much the entire reason that I use Rent.Men and RentMasseur exclusively is the reviews. Even most of the reviews on Daddys have a profile on one of these two sites. It's rare to see a review of a provider that is listed on the other sites. It's very hard for me to convince myself to use anyone from the other sites with nothing more than some pictures that are easily faked and a short description.

 

So, if someone wants to provide a viable alternative, they probably need to move to another country and provide another site with reviews.

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I figured it out! I never looked hard enough because I have never seen travel listings on any client pages before. So I more or less assumed we couldn't.

Alright! Another suggestion, take a look at your profile when you return home after a trip. On a couple of occasions, the goofy RM system has incorrectly re-set my permanent location to my last travel city. :rolleyes:

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Not disagreeing with your idea but thinking through it all, do you think if that were to happen that many of the "fake reviewer" profiles on RM would just migrate and create "fake" Daddy's accounts and potentially then dilute the percentage of more objective client user feedback and overall quality and effectiveness of a Daddy review? Just thinking out loud.

 

Daddy vets reviews on his site pretty carefully.

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