Do you ever say you are not Law Enforcement?

[Daverwr]

Does anyone ever mention to a provider that you are not in law enforcement, either verbally or in text? Is it even necessary when it hasn’t been asked?

[former lurker]

Does anyone ever mention to a provider that you are not in law enforcement, either verbally or in text? Is it even necessary when it hasn’t been asked?

 

I wouldn't. It puts the thought in mind.

[+ DERRIK]

I have asked talent if they were well armed.

[down_to_business]

While most on-duty police are required to wear both a uniform and a uniquely numbered badge identifying themselves as police and police must generally identify themselves before executing a search warrant or arresting someone, the myth that undercover police must admit to being police if asked has been around since at least the mid-1970s (I remember watching TV cop shows like Hill Street Blues where this was how it was portrayed).

The truth is that undercover police are given a great deal of latitude when investigating suspected criminals. They may lie, break controlled substance laws, ask to buy substances by name, offer drugs for sale (etc. etc.) and are not required to identify themselves during the course of their undercover investigations. This means they absolutely do not have to answer truthfully if asked.

 

There are many providers (and clients) who believe this myth. I find it easiest to just answer the question "no" if I am asked. Besides, if you try to explain this, they just wind up thinking you are a cop anyways.

 

I never discuss that I am not law enforcement if not asked first..

[Daverwr]

Does anyone ever mention to a provider that you are not in law enforcement, either verbally or in text? Is it even necessary when it hasn’t been asked?

I think I just turned off a provider by texting it. I only did it because the replies immediately stopped with a previous message.

[Daverwr]

While most on-duty police are required to wear both a uniform and a uniquely numbered badge identifying themselves as police and police must generally identify themselves before executing a search warrant or arresting someone, the myth that undercover police must admit to being police if asked has been around since at least the mid-1970s (I remember watching TV cop shows like Hill Street Blues where this was how it was portrayed).

The truth is that undercover police are given a great deal of latitude when investigating suspected criminals. They may lie, break controlled substance laws, ask to buy substances by name, offer drugs for sale (etc. etc.) and are not required to identify themselves during the course of their undercover investigations. This means they absolutely do not have to answer truthfully if asked.

 

There are many providers (and clients) who believe this myth. I find it easiest to just answer the question "no" if I am asked. Besides, if you try to explain this, they just wind up thinking you are a cop anyways.

 

I never discuss that I am not law enforcement if not asked first..

Wow! I’ve been living that myth my entire life! Thanks for the education.

[MrMattBig]

Does anyone ever mention to a provider that you are not in law enforcement, either verbally or in text? Is it even necessary when it hasn’t been asked?

I at the very least take it that they may have some worry about law enforcement and are more likely to get cold feet, thus in my mind the likelihood of flaking, canceling, or not setting an appointment increases and I will start having other plans on the back burner. Secondly, it may show that another provider may have called them out as potential law enforcement (blindly drawing this conclusion at times) for either being overly explicit or being in other ways subjectively difficult to book a meeting and follow through. This may foreshadow that whomever may be contacting me will act in a similar way and a meeting will be difficult to set up or never transpire at all.

[former lurker]

I at the very least take it that they may have some worry about law enforcement and are more likely to get cold feet, thus in my mind the likelihood of flaking, canceling, or not setting an appointment increases and I will start having other plans on the back burner. Secondly, it may show that another provider may have called them out as potential law enforcement (blindly drawing this conclusion at times) for either being overly explicit or being in other ways subjectively difficult to book a meeting and follow through. This may foreshadow that whomever may be contacting me will act in a similar way and a meeting will be difficult to set up or never transpire at all.

 

Some aspects I hadn't considered. But I'd expect law enforcement to be more insistent on meeting rather than less, at least if it's a sting rather than the LEO wanting to actually hire a guy for fun rather than to make an arrest.

[MrMattBig]

Some aspects I hadn't considered. But I'd expect law enforcement to be more insistent on meeting rather than less, at least if it's a sting rather than the LEO wanting to actually hire a guy for fun rather than to make an arrest.

Exactly!

I have seen Mr. Number app comments on numbers calling them law enforcement, when by interaction with me its clear its just some regular person sexting or playing games. Its an ignorant perversion of Occam's Razor from the submitter of such comments, but that's a discussion beyond the scope of this thread.

[+ harey]

Occasionally male providers ask that and my normal reply is “no, do I look like police?” Female providers have also asked that and requested to see/touch a penis before getting started. I’m not clear about what if any legal protection this gives them. Police officers aren’t allowed to expose themselves as part of a sting operation?

[+ DrownedBoy]

Nobody never asked me that. However, cops, as I understand, need to get providers to explicitly state they're providing sex for money. I'm into role playing and not oral/anal, so it would be rather difficult to label anything I do with providers as "sex."

[rvwnsd]

Does anyone ever mention to a provider that you are not in law enforcement, either verbally or in text? Is it even necessary when it hasn’t been asked?

Nope. Never. Can't see a reason to. If a guy asked me whether I was law enforcement I'd answer truthfully (no) but would think twice about hiring him. That kind of paranoia would hang over the session.

[thickornotatall]

I was asked if I was a Senator....almost ruined the night...

[JayCeeKy]

Not to digress too far from the OP, but I hired a well-known escort in ATL a few months ago. The first thing he did, as soon as he closed the hotel door, and before we discussed ANYTHING, was to whip out his impressive dong and ask me to touch it, to which I willingly complied. He then stated that cops won't touch another man's penis, even in the line of duty. I doubt that this "no touching" theory is official police policy but I am wondering if he is correct, that most cops will not touch another man's penis if for no other reason than the fear of ridicule by other cops if they are ever called on to admit this in open court, or even on an arrest form? Also, I'm wondering if the opposite is true, that is, if a client asked an undercover cop to let him touch the cop's penis before any "in situ" negotiating, whether a cop would ever comply? Any thoughts?

[former lurker]

Not to digress too far from the OP, but I hired a well-known escort in ATL a few months ago. The first thing he did, as soon as he closed the hotel door, and before we discussed ANYTHING, was to whip out his impressive dong and ask me to touch it, to which I willingly complied. He then stated that cops won't touch another man's penis, even in the line of duty. I doubt that this "no touching" theory is official police policy but I am wondering if he is correct, that most cops will not touch another man's penis if for no other reason than the fear of ridicule by other cops if they are ever called on to admit this in open court, or even on an arrest form? Also, I'm wondering if the opposite is true, that is, if a client asked an undercover cop to let him touch the cop's penis before any "in situ" negotiating, whether a cop would ever comply? Any thoughts?

 

I doubt it's a policy, and I'm certain it's not legally significant. Does anyone remember those awful shows on NBC called "To Catch A Predator"? They used decoys to lure men seeking sex with underage girls to locations where they were filmed, and they were also arrested. No sex actually occurred, no one got naked, and no money was exchanged. It was the act of showing up that took the matter from being merely a "thought" crime to an actual one.

[cooldemo03]

Not to digress too far from the OP, but I hired a well-known escort in ATL a few months ago. The first thing he did, as soon as he closed the hotel door, and before we discussed ANYTHING, was to whip out his impressive dong and ask me to touch it, to which I willingly complied. He then stated that cops won't touch another man's penis, even in the line of duty. I doubt that this "no touching" theory is official police policy but I am wondering if he is correct, that most cops will not touch another man's penis if for no other reason than the fear of ridicule by other cops if they are ever called on to admit this in open court, or even on an arrest form? Also, I'm wondering if the opposite is true, that is, if a client asked an undercover cop to let him touch the cop's penis before any "in situ" negotiating, whether a cop would ever comply? Any thoughts?

I think thats a good idea. Escorts should also initiate maybe a 20 second kiss when the client walks in. I doubt most cops will make out with another guy just to do the bust.

[+ Keith30309]

My guess is that if a law enforcement team has targeted you then you’re going to end up face down on the floor handcuffed no matter what you do. And not in the good way.

If they’ve expended enough time and energy to get you there then they will bust you based simply on whatever communications have occurred up to that point. I really doubt you’d hear “Oh darn, I don’t want to kiss you. I’m a cop. You’re free to go.” I believe that even having condoms in your pocket can be considered evidence that you are soliciting. (Which is super stupid, like the other tactics, because it makes people take lots of risks and puts people in harms way.)

 

The good news from my perspective is that gay male encounters that don’t involve street hustling are a really low priority. Every sting of clients/escorts I’ve read about lately is done “to combat human trafficking“.

 

To the OP: saying “I’m not a cop“ out of the blue is sort of like saying “I don’t have herpes“ or “I’m not crazy.” It sounds really odd and would make me think something weird was going on.

[+ Pensant]

Although I’ve never been asked if I’m in LE, I’ve had moments of paranoia when meeting a new provider that they may be, which I realize is pretty irrational.

[thickornotatall]

Not to digress too far from the OP, but I hired a well-known escort in ATL a few months ago. The first thing he did, as soon as he closed the hotel door, and before we discussed ANYTHING, was to whip out his impressive dong and ask me to touch it, to which I willingly complied. He then stated that cops won't touch another man's penis, even in the line of duty. I doubt that this "no touching" theory is official police policy but I am wondering if he is correct, that most cops will not touch another man's penis if for no other reason than the fear of ridicule by other cops if they are ever called on to admit this in open court, or even on an arrest form? Also, I'm wondering if the opposite is true, that is, if a client asked an undercover cop to let him touch the cop's penis before any "in situ" negotiating, whether a cop would ever comply? Any thoughts?

How Impressive?

[dutchal]

I have had more than one escort ask me either by text before the encounter or in person at the start of the meeting whether I was law enforcement. I believe that, while there is no general rule that says law enforcement can't lie about their identity, I also believe that doing so can help build a case for the defense of entrapment. This, by the way, could vary by state.

[former lurker]

I have had more than one escort ask me either by text before the encounter or in person at the start of the meeting whether I was law enforcement. I believe that, while there is no general rule that says law enforcement can't lie about their identity, I also believe that doing so can help build a case for the defense of entrapment. This, by the way, could vary by state.

 

Entrapment is generally understood to enticing someone to commit a crime s/he otherwise would not commit. Lying to say you're not law enforcement wouldn't evidence entrapment because fear of being caught isn't relevant to entrapment, it's whether the accused formed the requisite criminal intent.

[JayCeeKy]

How Impressive?

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[+ JEC]

Does anyone ever mention to a provider that you are not in law enforcement, either verbally or in text? Is it even necessary when it hasn’t been asked?

I used to do this, until (1) scared a few guys off and (2) learned that this gesture means nothing legally in terms of entrapment. I DO plant a wet sloppy kiss on a guy as soon as we are alone - and before anything is discussed. Not sure if that helps legally but it gets things started

Edited May 28, 2020 by JEC

[+ JEC]

you’re going to end up face down on the floor handcuffed

..............sounds hot ???

[instudiocity]

Police officers aren’t allowed to expose themselves as part of a sting operation?

If it's legal to lie, why wouldn't it be legal to drop trou and show himself?