What does YMMV mean to you?

[+ Brad in NYC]

I’ve always been interested in language and word choice. Very nerdy, I know.

 

I’m not young or good looking. I’ve never read a post with YMMV to mean the poster was bragging in some way. To me it’s always been more of a heads-up: no guarantee that my experience will match yours.

 

These are human interactions we’re having and writing about here. Every masseur has good days and lesser days. I have good days and not so good days. Throw those infinite variabilities in the pot along with how the masseur and me are impacted by many other things leading up to the moments of massage and there you go. YMMV.

 

I’m introducing a new term: MOMMV, which stands for My Own Mileage May Vary, which applies to how I have seen the same masseur on different occasions and felt one appointment was so much better than another.

[Nibay]

To me YMMV literally always reads as “i had a sexy time but I’m kinda cute so you might not if you’re not cute like me”

 

I too think a lot of people take it this way, but I don’t think they necessarily should. YMMV can very well be about how the masseur is feeling at the particular day: (1) more or less sexual active at the time; (2) multiple clients in the same day; (3) current relationship status and current agreement with partner. Sure, personal chemistry and attraction is part of this but there are often variables completely unrelated to the client.

 

What I have found is that if you are respectful to the masseur and treat him well (let him lead with extras and mutual touch— please no groping), your mileage will generally go a very long way.

[Kody S]

Completely agree @Nibay

[David1024]

These thoughts and interpretations are all very valid, but I have to admit my own misunderstanding of this term. The first few times I read it, I honestly thought it meant “You Make Me Vomit”. I don’t know where I got that idea from, but now I read it with both interpretations and it does give me a smile now and then ?

[Kody S]

That’s so funny. Acronym jungle out there... easy to get lost.

[+ EVdude]

That’s so funny. Acronym jungle out there... easy to get lost.

TEHO!

[Kody S]

TEHO!

? absolutely!

[+ Mplsgymguy]

Massageislife wrote

“If YMMV means a masseur advertising erotic massage may not disrobe, may keep away from any of my own touching, and may avoid my private parts, I wish the poster would write that instead.”

 

There have been discussions of a few masseurs in which someone has written (I’m paraphrasing), “Nice massage but strictly therapeutic,” to which I’ve responded, “Not in my experience.” Is that clearer than YMMV? IIRC, none of the masseurs I’m thinking of specified erotic massage in their ads; one, in fact, told me ahead of our appointment, that he did not do sensual/erotic, but when I arrived at his house he offered an erotic massage for an additional fee. But how could I possibly know how a masseur is going to behave with another client, whether he’ll disrobe and so on? Unless the client has posted about it on this site, of course.

 

At the same time, a forum member wrote me about a masseur he’d seen who evidently had been amenable to engaging in activity beyond an erotic massage, but when I engaged said masseur he was “strictly therapeutic.” :-( So the so-called mileage did indeed vary.

[Massageislife]

Massageislife wrote

“If YMMV means a masseur advertising erotic massage may not disrobe, may keep away from any of my own touching, and may avoid my private parts, I wish the poster would write that instead.”

 

There have been discussions of a few masseurs in which someone has written (I’m paraphrasing), “Nice massage but strictly therapeutic,” to which I’ve responded, “Not in my experience.” Is that clearer than YMMV? IIRC, none of the masseurs I’m thinking of specified erotic massage in their ads; one, in fact, told me ahead of our appointment, that he did not do sensual/erotic, but when I arrived at his house he offered an erotic massage for an additional fee. But how could I possibly know how a masseur is going to behave with another client, whether he’ll disrobe and so on? Unless the client has posted about it on this site, of course.

 

At the same time, a forum member wrote me about a masseur he’d seen who evidently had been amenable to engaging in activity beyond an erotic massage, but when I engaged said masseur he was “strictly therapeutic.” :-( So the so-called mileage did indeed vary.

Mplsgymguy, thank you for posting in this thread. The line you quote of mine is different

Massageislife wrote

“If YMMV means a masseur advertising erotic massage may not disrobe, may keep away from any of my own touching, and may avoid my private parts, I wish the poster would write that instead.”

 

There have been discussions of a few masseurs in which someone has written (I’m paraphrasing), “Nice massage but strictly therapeutic,” to which I’ve responded, “Not in my experience.” Is that clearer than YMMV? IIRC, none of the masseurs I’m thinking of specified erotic massage in their ads; one, in fact, told me ahead of our appointment, that he did not do sensual/erotic, but when I arrived at his house he offered an erotic massage for an additional fee. But how could I possibly know how a masseur is going to behave with another client, whether he’ll disrobe and so on? Unless the client has posted about it on this site, of course.

 

At the same time, a forum member wrote me about a masseur he’d seen who evidently had been amenable to engaging in activity beyond an erotic massage, but when I engaged said masseur he was “strictly therapeutic.” :-( So the so-called mileage did indeed vary.

Mplsgymguy, thanks for posting on this thread.

 

I'm not sure why you quoted the specific line from my post that you do. One of the main things I look for on this site is reliable information on who provides the basics (not "extras" like kissing, sex, etc.) of erotic massage that I list. (On another thread, I have asked what people think "erotic massage" generally entails.) What I always appreciate in this regard is information about masseurs who advertise and charge for erotic but don't follow through. "YMMV" isn't helpful in this regard. If masseur is engaging in false advertising, I hope we'll all name it as such.

 

You seem to be talking about the opposite thing: masseurs who offer more than they advertise. To reply "not in my experience" to someone who has indicated that their experience was only therapeutic gives a bit more information than "YMMV," I guess. (I mean, everything is more information than that phrase, in the way that many on this site use it, which is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that masseurs and clients are individuals and their interactions are always going to differ.) What would be more useful, in a case like this, I think, would be for you to share that your experience suggests that the masseur may be open to more and if an upcharge is involved. I hope the forum member in your final example did that for you, but anything beyond what a masseur advertises is never something we can--or have the right to--count on.

[MikeBiDude]

If a client takes great care of his body and looks great, he will get MUCH more mileage from a provider than someone who is a polar opposite. That's understandable, not cruel. It also increases the chances for a provider to see less clients and have a higher donation figure to compensate income when they look extremely attractive all the way around.

Agree...but I also feel patience,respect, friendliness, wait and see vs. “grabbing”, leads to more. I’m no college stud client, far from it. I’ve had multiple masseurs and escorts go farther that advertised...but, YMMV, lol

 

[GTMike]

I am way more inexperienced than most of you on here especially as it relates to massuers. In fact when i started hiring, i assumed that escorts would escort and had their range of offerable services and likewise massuers did the same however only within the range of erotic, sensual and therapeutic massage.

 

I was inexperienced and assumed that it would be considered rude or borderline offensive to even broach the subject or to "go there" with a masseur regarding "escort-like" services that only had profiles on massage sites. I of course have later learned that for SOME, this is a much more fluid situation and there are many reasons why a person has profiles on one site and/or multiple sites and may or may not infer some services publicaly versus privately.

 

So to me the YMMV can be helpful but only as to indicate that a profile that i may have assumed was strictly massage (based on its presentation), that it may be ok under the appropriate circumstances to inquire with that masseur about extra services not mentioned but i don't assume or expect to necessarily get the same results.

Edited September 24, 2019 by GTMike

[Massageislife]

Agree...but I also feel patience,respect, friendliness, wait and see vs. “grabbing”, leads to more. I’m no college stud client, far from it. I’ve had multiple masseurs and escorts go farther that advertised...but, YMMV, lol

 

Mikebidude, thank you for posting in this thread! I agree with your remarks, but, honestly, I don't see how adding YMMV helps. We should all know--and I think we do--that our experiences, even with same masseur, will vary. And when YMMV isn't merely being redundant in this way, it can have a meangirls-ish vibe to it ("I got more but you might not") or seem to apologize for masseurs who don't follow through on what they advertise. YMMV may be easy to type, but it doesn't really give the information we need and can make this amazing site a little more brutal than it has to be.

[Massageislife]

If a client takes great care of his body and looks great, he will get MUCH more mileage from a provider than someone who is a polar opposite. That's understandable, not cruel. It also increases the chances for a provider to see less clients and have a higher donation figure to compensate income when they look extremely attractive all the way around.

Smurof, thank you for posting on this thread!

 

You don't really address the issue of the use of the term YMMV, but I hope we don't use it to signal to others "I take care of myself and look great, so you might not get the extras I do." That would be cruel.

 

Your comments about the client's attractiveness do interest me. I think I'll start a new thread!

[+ Mplsgymguy]

I use the acronym YMMV to mean “This was my experience with Masseur X, but I don’t know if he does the same with all of his clients.” I’ve fortunately never hired a masseur who didn’t follow through on something mentioned in his ad.

 

There was the masseur I mentioned in my previous post, who had been recommend by a forum member because the massage he got went above and beyond “strictly therapeutic.” The masseur was not the same with me, but I didn’t fault him, as he had not mentioned any of this in his ad.

[MikeBiDude]

Mikebidude, thank you for posting in this thread! I agree with your remarks, but, honestly, I don't see how adding YMMV helps. We should all know--and I think we do--that our experiences, even with same masseur, will vary. And when YMMV isn't merely being redundant in this way, it can have a meangirls-ish vibe to it ("I got more but you might not") or seem to apologize for masseurs who don't follow through on what they advertise. YMMV may be easy to type, but it doesn't really give the information we need and can make this amazing site a little more brutal than it has to be.

I doubt it’s going away. It’s not mean...it’s the reality of the situation.

[Massageislife]

I doubt it’s going away. It’s not mean...it’s the reality of the situation.

Lots of realities are pretty mean. ?

[Massageislife]

to me the YMMV can be helpful but only as to indicate that a profile that i may have assumed was strictly massage (based on its presentation), that it may be ok under the appropriate circumstances to inquire with that masseur about extra services not mentioned but i don't assume or expect to necessarily get the same results.

GTMike, thank you for posting on this thread. You bring back happy and embarrassing memories from when I started my own m4m massage journey 4 or 5 years ago.

 

As for what you write about YMMV, that is also the only way I would use that acronym (which I don't), but what you explain about your usage is so much clearer than the acronym itself, the YMMV seems superflous, if not confusing

[Smurof]

This may have been a topic that was posted during my self-imposed vacation from this forum, but I love it, and have a simple opinion.

If you have a handsome face, large penis, and tall muscular smooth physique, the mileage WILL vary from a guy with splotchy hair in all the wrong places, stubby cock, and no sign of a fit body to speak of. Yes, there are the massively rare guys out there who would treat an experience with both men the same, but it's understandably unlikely. 

Put these men side by side as PROVIDERS, and the first guy will most likely see about 150 people to the other guy's 1, if that, regardless of the rate differential. It seems rather split 50/ 50 with what's most important to a client, a buff bod or a huge tool. Fortunately, older age is less of a deterrent than it once was - stop lying about your age, older guys, and EMBRACE it. If I was ripped at the age of 60, I'd be damn proud to let people know I look this good and am really that old. 

[jeezifonly]

Oh, thank heavens. 

I was sure it was related to (my) having been around the block so many times the tires are nearly outa tread.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

Your Mileage May Vary