Discrepancy in courtesy, clients vs providers

[FRyan22]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

[MikeBiDude]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

You’ll get a plethora of replies here...but I agree respect is a two way street. Give to get.

[FRyan22]

You’ll get a plethora of replies here...but I agree respect is a two way street. Give to get.

 

Thank you for the input ??

 

While a little charged, I am actually interested in hearing the perspectives/ reasoning/ experiences.

[marylander1940]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

 

First of all welcome to the forum!

 

Unfortunately that kind of behavior has skyrocketed because of texting apps and the present buyers market which has empowered guys who hire. Sad but true but in all human activities you'll find flaky guys! You'll have plenty of threads on the subject in the "ask an escort" section. I would suggest you ask for a "last minute cancellation fee", you'll see who's real and who is just being a jerk.

 

You’ll get a plethora of replies here...but I agree respect is a two way street. Give to get.

 

No doubt, unfortunately some folks here can't stop bragging about the cheapest hottest unconventional hire they had. Is like they have some resentment from College times and now they feel they have better cards in their hands. Some threads have become a race to the bottom (real or imaginary) and sometimes I have to keep reminding myself posters are talking about people and not objects.

[+ Keith30309]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

Welcome to the Forum! Others have shared their words of wisdom.

 

You sound like you have a great attitude about all this; perhaps a link to your profile in your message signature might help us curious Forum members contact you.

[cany10011]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

 

 

If you resemble your profile picture, i can’t imagine anyone wanting to cancel on you

[+ bigjoey]

Respect for others is a problem in society as a whole and not just the escort-client business. Ask any restaurant owner about no shows for reservations. Ask any business person about problem customers (where I worked, we joked that every year we had to “fire” one or two customers by telling them to go elsewhere).

 

In social situations, I have noticed old fashioned manners and standards no longer apply including respect for others. Obnoxious cell phone stories are legendary and illustrate today’s rude culture.

 

Welcome to the forum. You will find some posters still have old fashioned ways but others will leave much to be desired in their treatment of fellow posters, it will be just like the real world.

[mike carey]

Ask any restaurant owner about no shows for reservations.

I'm sure it's not the only place it happens, but there are restaurants in Sydney that require a credit card number to book a table and they bill no-shows.

[+ bigjoey]

I'm sure it's not the only place it happens, but there are restaurants in Sydney that require a credit card number to book a table and they bill no-shows.

 

Some places in the US do as well. Just a reflection on the lack of decency of people not to call and cancel when they can not make it.

 

My dentist put in a no-show charge last year due to many people not making their appointments.

 

If you can not make a reservation or appointment, how hard is it to make a call? Apparently, that simple gesture of decency is too much for some people.

[+ FrankR]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

Welcome! I am sorry to hear that you had this experience. It is disrespectful of clients to treat a provider this way. The golden rule should always apply: treat others as you would want to be treated.

 

Only once over the past 3 years have I cancelled an appointment on short notice. I sent the provider his fee via Google Pay because it was the right thing to do. He has since become a repeat provider.

 

There is no real way for you to call out these members here on the forum as they will likely report you for “attacking a member of the forum”. So my advice is “let it go”. Now if they ask for a 2nd chance to meet, you would be within your rights to ask for a deposit. They can 1. Agree. 2. Decline and skulk off - you dodged a bullet in that case or 3. Decline and post about it here on the forum. In case of 3. you can private message them and remind them that they cancelled on you thus the deposit request - ask them to include that info in their post or if they dont, reply to their post stating your policy of deposit after a cancellation, do it in such a way that it is factual and cant be seen as attacking a member.

 

Reality is that it will take you some time to build up a customer base of repeat customers. They are worth having! ?

[+ WilliamM]

A provider selects a very difficult and competitive occupation. I knows it is not easy from talking to a few providers over the years. Ninety-five percent of people I have hired have been wonderful, but there are occasional flacks too.

 

Asking for a deposit is not the answer unless many providers have the exact same policy.

[JayCeeKy]

Perhaps you could adopt the policy we had at our clinic: if you No Show for your appointment you will be "double-booked" with another No Show client for the same time period for your next appointment - whoever shows up first gets the appointment. It greatly improved our productivity and taught the clients that "time is money." If you do adopt some type of "No Show policy" it would be important for clients to know about it before their first appointment (e.g. double-booking, cancellation fee, no future bookings, small deposit to reschedule, etc). Bottom line: you're running a business, not a hobby.

 

I suspect that there are lots of No Shows on both sides of the business b/c there are rarely consequences, except for getting bad-mouthed occasionally on these forums.

 

Good luck, and welcome.

[MiamiLooker]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

This was in Las Vegas? Are you certain these were confirmed appointments? Three appointments and three last-minute cancellations seem like a lot for a twelve hour time frame on a Tuesday afternoon.

[LivingnLA]

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.

 

Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.

 

Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

 

Welcome to the forum and the modern world! We as a civilization worship money above all else. The only people who are inherently valued in our modern world are the already successful. Everyone else is just a human resource to be used and replaced when necessary. I'm intentionally being provocative because that's the current global meta-narrative and has been for large chunks of human history.

 

You've chosen a particularly competitive occupation, hobby, gig, side-hustle. The dearth of jobs with living wages means that a large majority of people have side-hustles just to eat and have a place to sleep. That means there's far more supply than demand, even as hourly escort rates are $300-$500+ in markets like LA.

 

If your avatar pic is you, then you have a fit body that will check many boxes for potential clients. Your thoughtful and measured post above shows an intellect and personality that will intrigue potential clients. But, there is a major stumbling block. You appear to be advertising in a very discreet limited way just here on the forum. While the forum is the right target market, there's much less visibility or presence for you so there's less risk for potential clients to flake because you are largely unknown. I wouldn't be surprised if some clients are booking with you as a backup while they wait to hear from a more well known but less responsive provider. That's not considerate, but it is life. Restaurants have to deal with this all the time, which is why some places require credit card numbers to secure a reservation. Keep in mind that requiring such info will substantially reduce your likely booking rate because so many clients would be scared away.

 

Life happens. We all have emergencies or issues come up. I urge you to see flakiness as one of the costs of business. I also urge you to figure out better marketing. Just being on the forum isn't enough. You won't get enough exposure to potential clients to create enough of a sales funnel to be sustainable. I also suggest you really think about what your key competitive differentiators are and how to message them in the market. Men are more visually driven than women, on average, but they still need to be enticed and seduced into wanting to spend time and money on you. Part of your job is to create a brand that is compelling to the target clients you want to attract. That brand should be based on things about you that are easy for you to do and that you hopefully even enjoy. Do you like to top? Are you funny? Are you hung? Do you like to Dominate? submit? Are your eyes mesmerizing windows into your soul? Is your skin supernaturally soft? Figure out your strengths and how to package them into a compelling service. You want your clients to want to hire you because you excite and intrigue them based just on the expectations you create with your marketing. It gets them psychologically invested in you as an experience and makes it less likely they'll flake unless it's a real emergency.

 

Feel free to direct message me if you want to chat more. I'm in the LA area and a client who hires occasionally for certain specific experiences.

Edited May 1, 2019 by LivingnLA

[Gadfly22]

Back when people wrote checks, the stores would tape a bounced check at the cash register so everyone could see the offender. In small communities, it was very effective.

Even in big communities. Ask little Yerry Seinfeld.

My dentist put in a no-show charge last year due to many people not making their appointments.

She must be a “delicate genius.”

[FRyan22]

Thanks all for the kind/honest words.

 

Will leave it at that - I’m not commenting on the specific situations or the merits of my own escapades, however I’ll quietly scrutinize those ‘gentlemen’ when they post in the forum about ‘flakes’ in the future ?

 

And yes, that’s my photo ? PM me for more/ contact info.

Edited May 2, 2019 by FRyan22

[Mocha]

Life happens. We all have emergencies or issues come up. I urge you to see flakiness as one of the costs of business. I also urge you to figure out better marketing. Just being on the forum isn't enough. You won't get enough exposure to potential clients to create enough of a sales funnel to be sustainable. I also suggest you really think about what your key competitive differentiators are and how to message them in the market. Men are more visually driven than women, on average, but they still need to be enticed and seduced into wanting to spend time and money on you. Part of your job is to create a brand that is compelling to the target clients you want to attract. That brand should be based on things about you that are easy for you to do and that you hopefully even enjoy. Do you like to top? Are you funny? Are you hung? Do you like to Dominate? submit? Are your eyes mesmerizing windows into your soul? Is your skin supernaturally soft? Figure out your strengths and how to package them into a compelling service. You want your clients to want to hire you because you excite and intrigue them based just on the expectations you create with your marketing. It gets them psychologically invested in you as an experience and makes it less likely they'll flake unless it's a real emergency.

 

I’m reading all what you and some of the other posters are saying, and it is good advice IF this was simply someone asking how to advertise themselves.

 

But in a nutshell, in this case you’re basically saying “it’s your fault they flaked on you”, and that’s a dangerous game to play. I recently spent 2 days of texts deliberating with a (non-escort/now ex friend) because whenever I (foolishly) go to him about a client who treated me LESS THAN what I FELT I deserved, his first reaction was to fault and blame me: “You’re always late, YOU did this, YOU shouldn’t have done that, etc.” He was so quick to judge, yet the mother foer hasn’t ever escorted a day in his life (except the couple times I invited him to a 3way with a client who requested it) to understand what all goes into the business. Especially when you’re traveling.

 

For example: I’ll even address one of the Palm Springs event late arrival. Now, @Epigonos was my “date” for the evening. Saturday I was the last person to show up for the dinner, but fortunately we were still all served at the same time. So what was the ROOT of the lateness? A degenerate who flaked on me earlier in the week (his excuse, fell asleep while waiting for his kids to go to sleep), on a TUESDAY. How? Because he completely no showed on the day I was scheduled to leave. I had it all planned out my road trip from Kansas City to Palm Springs. I ended up waiting for his lying FUCK ass so late, by the time it was evident he wasn’t going to show, it messed up the “timing” of my trip, which in turn caused me to have to leave the next day, a Wednesday. And I had to be in Palm Springs Saturday by 5 pm.

 

Regardless, I carried on...but the flop equated to less cash than expected (because I paid all my bills before the Palm Springs weekend so I wouldn’t have to worry about it while I’m out there, as I was confident I would meet clients along the way, and I had them booked). So, when it was looking like I wasn’t going to have enough cash to complete the trip, I had to end up taking a last minute client 1/3 of the way thru the trip. And it was an incall client, which meant I had to stop and get a hotel. By the time the session was over, it was late at night and I was too tired to continue on to my 2nd destination after having already rode 6 hours.

 

So, I ended up having to leave for my 2nd destination on Thursday, the day I had clients scheduled! Both clients could only meet before 5 pm, and my trip was 8 HOURS. Not to mention losing 1.5 hour due to a BS narcotics harassment along the way....which was a complete nothingburger of a situation and wasted tax payer money.

 

Fast forward, once I arrived, neither of the 2 clients could meet, and cancelled. That was $850 LOST...gained $100 in cancel fee because one of the clients said he reserved the whole day for me, but then changed it saying he had to work early the next morning...which was NOT mentioned prior.

 

So here it is Thursday, I done lost close to $1,000 in planned finances and only recovered $350...which ain’t shit when gas is $3+ a gallon, V8 engine takes premium at 21 gallons, and the trip is 1,500+ miles.

 

So Friday comes, things are looking not good. Fortunantely at the last minute, I get an outcall appointment Friday evening. 2 hour session. PERFECT! But mind you, I’m still 11 hours out from Palm Springs. Knowing I have Palm Springs dinner at 5 pm Saturday, I headed out that night after the session.

 

I literally drove until I couldn’t anymore...5:30 am, when the sun started rising and the animals started running across the road...and stopped at some rural Route 66 motel for 4 hours of sleep.

 

Ultimately, I still made it to Palm Springs at 3:50 pm. Over an hour before the dinner. However, time flies when you have deadlines, and by the time I waited at traffic lights, waited for people to cross the street, checked into my resort and meet and greet with the owner for 20 minutes, shower, get ready...it’s almost 6 pm! Still not bad, but people without a conscious like my now DEAD (to me atleast) ex-friend, will paint me as the “inconsiderate late person”...not realizing all the effort I make to make these encounters a reality.

 

I was late to one of the other gatherings, but some people didn’t show up at all. I attended each planned gathering because I respected each one as if it were school, church, or work. When you’re in a new city, new surroundings, doing it all on your own, and trying to meet the schedules of others that may be different from your own “routine” (I generally eat dinner between 8 and 10 pm) people who are a little OCD like me end up running late. But I still respect it and SHOW UP. I almost didn’t show up, but out of respect to @Oliver who counted the attendance for Sunday and the restaurant who expected all people to show up, I went despite being late and braved any sort of embarrassment or criticism that may have arose from that.

 

People who don’t appreciate others will only call out their shortcomings: “you were late”, but not seeing behind the scenes to see WHY a person may be late.

 

But as you can see...what created a distraction in my plans, was the fact that 3 different clients “fell thru”. I initially didn’t want to rely on @Epigonos to send me a deposit because I didn’t want to touch the “contribution”, as I didn’t want it being used up along the way. I wanted to be able to “earn” the honorarium and fortunantely I was able to accomplish that.

 

That said: I know some would think the whole trip (and me) sounds crazy and why didn’t I just fly to Palm Springs. Well, PS was just the MAIN destination. But I turned it into a whole 3 week “exploration”. Despite the cancellations and frustrations, I met an Oscar winner client in New Mexico’s filming industry, met several amazing people in Palm Springs and brought some cool accessories, made 3 new friends in West Hollywood, found my boyfriend in Las Vegas, finally ended my trip by treating myself to a nice leather coat and spa (it just snowed yesterday where I am)

 

Despite the disposable connotation of the gay man, I wish people would look within themselves and have a little more compassion for those who step out of their way to accommodate them. One of the clients who cancelled, normally gives me $600 each session. He wouldn’t even give me a dime for cancellation fee. When I tried to reschedule, he was busy. Sometimes people need to compensate the “preparation” and not just the “action”. It’s like if a horse breeder (or whatever it’s called when people drive horses around the country) was delivering horses, and the “client” says “sorry, too late I can’t make it”. Well, who’s going to pay the gas and feed and transportation costs for these horses, if that person has to then turn back around?

 

But that probably wouldn’t happen because the average person treats their animals with more respect. Some consider “us” lower than dogs (watch Black Klansman). That’s one reason I’ll be escorting for as long as my reproductive system allows. I refuse to be treated like someone’s sex puppet. I met people who’ll spend $1,000 to fly their dog, but can’t even give me a extra $100 to offset my hotel costs. I want to tell them to get the Fuck out of here!

 

Or I may just quit without notice because sometimes the money isn’t always worth dealing with such hierarchical minded males who think you should only be paid if you perform for them when they want it, and anything outside of that “doesn’t work for them”. As if airlines don’t occasionally get delayed, cancel flights, or experience turbulence. They just finessed the art of getting paid upfront, so regardless of what happens, they’ve got you by the balls. You can get sick, get placed next to crying baby, get your ass beat and dragged by TSA, but they still get your money upfront. Yet, ME who has nude photos and simply providing a good time, has to argue and fight for a measly $100 deposit?

 

Goddammit I’m tired of being disrespected and taken for granted. I just hope one day, people will be judged for how they treated others who went out of their way to accommodate them. Until then, I just have to do my best to stand up for what I deserve.

Edited May 2, 2019 by Mocha

[LivingnLA]

But in a nutshell, in this case you’re basically saying “it’s your fault they flaked on you”, and that’s a dangerous game to play.

 

Please do not put words in my mouth. I in no way blamed @FRyan22 for the people who flaked on him. If that's what you read in my reply, I am sorry, but I do not see it. What I did do in my long winded reply was try to touch on the larger societal reality and the reality of this profession. I then went on to suggest ideas and provide advice. You are correct that I did that unprompted and it was presumptuous of me. That in no way places blame on the OP nor was there any intent to place blame on him. I was simply trying to provide context. I even suggested at least one possibility that makes the flaky clients seem to be real assholes. Who knows though? Life happens. We cannot control it. We can barely, with effort, control our own reactions.

 

Flakiness is a cost of doing business in every customer centric business. Deposits are one solution. Credit card number to secure a reservation is another. Prepaying is another. Doublebooking, informed or not is another. All of these and more have pros and cons. Each provider must decide on how they want to run their business. A "never book" list seems sensible for bad clients. I've even heard rumors over the years of some providers having their own reviews of clients. Do whatever works for you, but all of them have trade offs, pluses and minuses.

 

I am sorry people flaked on you. Life sucks sometimes and even people we think are friends or family can and do hurt us. It is sadly part of the human condition and our current society only seems to amplify it. For me, when something negative happens in my life, I try to assess the situation, identify anything I may have done that could be improved, and modify my life moving forward. Those people who are more trouble than they are worth, are not in my life. Reciprocity and respect are minimum requirements, even online. Life is too short and there is too much to do to spend time on someone who is not considerate. I understand and am aware of my privilege in being able to say and live that way. Even in my customer centric profession, I put up with a lot from my clients too. If they become more trouble than they are worth, I no longer accept them as clients and I move on.

[Mocha]

Please do not put words in my mouth. I in no way blamed @FRyan22 for the people who flaked on him. If that's what you read in my reply, I am sorry, but I do not see it. What I did do in my long winded reply was try to touch on the larger societal reality and the reality of this profession. I then went on to suggest ideas and provide advice. You are correct that I did that unprompted and it was presumptuous of me. That in no way places blame on the OP nor was there any intent to place blame on him. I was simply trying to provide context. I even suggested at least one possibility that makes the flaky clients seem to be real assholes. Who knows though? Life happens. We cannot control it. We can barely, with effort, control our own reactions.

 

Flakiness is a cost of doing business in every customer centric business. Deposits are one solution. Credit card number to secure a reservation is another. Prepaying is another. Doublebooking, informed or not is another. All of these and more have pros and cons. Each provider must decide on how they want to run their business. A "never book" list seems sensible for bad clients. I've even heard rumors over the years of some providers having their own reviews of clients. Do whatever works for you, but all of them have trade offs, pluses and minuses.

 

I am sorry people flaked on you. Life sucks sometimes and even people we think are friends or family can and do hurt us. It is sadly part of the human condition and our current society only seems to amplify it. For me, when something negative happens in my life, I try to assess the situation, identify anything I may have done that could be improved, and modify my life moving forward. Those people who are more trouble than they are worth, are not in my life. Reciprocity and respect are minimum requirements, even online. Life is too short and there is too much to do to spend time on someone who is not considerate. I understand and am aware of my privilege in being able to say and live that way. Even in my customer centric profession, I put up with a lot from my clients too. If they become more trouble than they are worth, I no longer accept them as clients and I move on.

 

You put words in your mouth. You did fault him. There’s no taking it back. It’s said and done.

 

But, I can see how it could have come off more haphazardly than intended. Like I said, all great advice...but you specially said: if HIS presentation was better, THEY wouldn’t have flaked. Despite me sitting here right now, and giving my whole life story about how people can flake. And that’s just 72 hours worth of flakes. Imagine 10 years worth. And you can see why I’m so fed up. And what they are now, are far more vicious than 10 years ago. People back then used to BOOK within 1 single phone call.

 

All the blame should go towards the sociopaths and possibly their parents for raising them wrong...because they should be on medications, like adderal. Because they act like they have ADHD by making appointments and not showing up.

 

But I give credit where it’s due, what you’re saying is very true and a good way to manage it. It’s easier said than done for some of us...I just don’t have a lot of leniency for people who hit my phone up, bullshit me with text messages, interrupt my day, then don’t follow up with a meeting. I don’t have time for that shit. I’m not a customer service center. I have to report people EVERY WEEK because they have no regard for wasting my time.

 

That’s EXACTLY why I’ve taken down all of my nude pics on all sites, except Twitter...and that’s just promotional. I’m not showing shit to anyone anymore who isn’t planning an appointment. No reason to. And they don’t get the code either. Tired of people getting to see all of me, but then not treating me like I don’t deserve a little courtesy.

 

Before I decide to go on “strike”, One guy tells me he’s not comfortable paying upfront, then blocked me. Well I’m not comfortable showing you my dick upfront then. How about that?

Edited May 2, 2019 by Mocha

[+ WilliamM]

@Mocha, this is a Forum to discuss various issues. I disagree with you about a deposit.

 

That does not make us enemies!!!

Edited May 2, 2019 by WilliamM

[marylander1940]

You’ll get a plethora of replies here...but I agree respect is a two way street. Give to get.

 

Is bargaining a way to show respect? Is bragging about the cheapest hottest (straight) hire inciting others to do it (or at least pretend they did it) also a way to show respect?

 

I don't bargain in restaurants, shops, gas stations, etc.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Is bargaining a way to show respect? Is bragging about the cheapest hottest (straight) hire inciting others to do it (or at least pretend they did it) also a way to show respect?

 

I don't bargain in restaurants, shops, gas stations, etc.

 

No, it's not respectful, but it's also a very narrow part of this business. Escorts can choose to play along with it or not.

[marylander1940]

No, it's not respectful, but it's also a very narrow part of this business. Escorts can choose to play along with it or not.

 

I understand bargaining for a weekend or overnight, or if you see someone weekly but for a $20 discount.... it's just annoying.

 

I'm passionate in the defense of escorts. Some threads on here have become a race to the bottom and I have to remind myself we're talking about persons.

Edited May 2, 2019 by marylander1940

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I'm passionate in the defense of escorts

 

And many of us appreciate that

[+ WilliamM]

I understand bargaining for a weekend or overnight, or if you see someone weekly but for a $20 discount.... it's just annoying.

 

I'm passionate in the defense of escorts. Some threads on here have become a race to the bottom and I have to remind myself we're talking about persons.

 

I have only bargained once. And it was with someone I knew and liked here.

 

He quoted a much higher cost for an overnight than I had ever heard, or paid. I tried to change the location to where he lived - nothing seemed to work. I really wanted to see him. But eventually, I had to give up.

 

Given that experience, I seldom take sides in escort-client discussions in a forum on the site.