Looking for new ways to cut down on the nonsense...

[Mocha]

The nonsense being many of the messages and texts being sent out, with many of them not leading to an appointment. And it seems from looking thru my messages, RentMasseur is leading the race in having the most amount of guys who try to book, but then never end up having the time to make anything happen. I think I may try letting my ad expire for awhile and see if it cuts down on it, because most of the flakes seem to be coming from that site versus Rentmen.

 

I don’t know if it’s just a case of people messaging multiple guys and can’t keep up, or just wanting to have a conversation...but all the contacting and discussions of meeting consume so much time and energy, it’s causing distractions in my personal life. And each appointment that falls thru, is another issue created.

 

I’m happy to be having more replies to my ad than before, but it’s also with a lot of people who aren’t reliable when it comes to setting anything. And many of the RentMasseur calls don’t like to pay deposits (not that it’s always required) or cancel fees as much, so it’s even more hard getting anything out of it when stuff doesn’t lead to anything.

 

What’s really going on?

Edited April 21, 2019 by Mocha

[david78nyc]

Obviously I can’t speak for other folks so I may be an outlier, but for me, as a frequent massage client, it’s confusing to me how many escorts advertise on rentmasseur. Could it be that you’re getting clients trying to sort out what they’ll be getting if they hire you as a masseur?

[Pulgasari1991]

The nonsense being many of the messages and texts being sent out, with many of them not leading to an appointment. And it seems from looking thru my messages, RentMasseur is leading the race in having the most amount of guys who try to book, but then never end up having the time to make anything happen. I think I may try letting my ad expire for awhile and see if it cuts down on it, because most of the flakes seem to be coming from that site versus Rentmen.

 

I don’t know if it’s just a case of people messaging multiple guys and can’t keep up, or just wanting to have a conversation...but all the contacting and discussions of meeting consume so much time and energy, it’s causing distractions in my personal life. And each appointment that falls thru, is another issue created.

 

I’m happy to be having more replies to my ad than before, but it’s also with a lot of people who aren’t reliable when it comes to setting anything. And many of the RentMasseur calls don’t like to pay deposits (not that it’s always required) or cancel fees as much, so it’s even more hard getting anything out of it when stuff doesn’t lead to anything.

 

What’s really going on?

At first, it sounds like you are talking of people contacting you but not booking afterwards; but when you mention deposits and cancel fees, I get that you talk of no-shows. Which ones are you talking about?

[hypothetically]

[marylander1940]

The nonsense being many of the messages and texts being sent out, with many of them not leading to an appointment. And it seems from looking thru my messages, RentMasseur is leading the race in having the most amount of guys who try to book, but then never end up having the time to make anything happen. I think I may try letting my ad expire for awhile and see if it cuts down on it, because most of the flakes seem to be coming from that site versus Rentmen.

 

I don’t know if it’s just a case of people messaging multiple guys and can’t keep up, or just wanting to have a conversation...but all the contacting and discussions of meeting consume so much time and energy, it’s causing distractions in my personal life. And each appointment that falls thru, is another issue created.

 

I’m happy to be having more replies to my ad than before, but it’s also with a lot of people who aren’t reliable when it comes to setting anything. And many of the RentMasseur calls don’t like to pay deposits (not that it’s always required) or cancel fees as much, so it’s even more hard getting anything out of it when stuff doesn’t lead to anything.

 

What’s really going on?

 

Unfortunately all businesses have folks who are either flaky, shopping around for their best deal or who changed their mind at the last minute. I'm aware this flakiness has skyrocketed in the last years because of this buyers market and escorts on reputable sites have to deal with guys who used hire from CL... If rentmasseur gives you such a headache list yourself as an escort and don't advertise there. Most guys who call for an "erotic massage" just want get off with a good looking man like you but without paying an escort's rate.

 

Thank you again for your honest post!

[marylander1940]

At first, it sounds like you are talking of people contacting you but not booking afterwards; but when you mention deposits and cancel fees, I get that you talk of no-shows. Which ones are you talking about?

 

As understandable as requiring a booking fee is... it will be a fast way to lose potential clients.

[Mocha]

Obviously I can’t speak for other folks so I may be an outlier, but for me, as a frequent massage client, it’s confusing to me how many escorts advertise on rentmasseur. Could it be that you’re getting clients trying to sort out what they’ll be getting if they hire you as a masseur?

 

I can see where you’re coming from with that. At the same time, I also offer the next level if they so choose, and in most cases they do. I’m also sure they understand what I offer in my sessions as well. So even if they need to sort out anything, it’s going to be made clear.

 

Case in point today: person contacts me from RM. I already suspect that it was likely a troll anyway, but this person booked an outcall to a partially unspecified location this afternoon. I gave him the rundown, but at one point I get this long text message asking MORE questions and pretty much nitpicking every detail after I ALREADY detailed what each session is. On top of that, he claims to “not trying to be a jerk” on two occasions. Why the F would he need to be so adamant about not being a jerk? But a jerk is exactly what he was.

 

At that point, I tell him I’m in the middle of driving in rush hour traffic, and that if there’s anything else he isn’t clear on, to book the starter’s session and whatever else can be sorted in person. He has the nerve to further argue, complain that i took 30 minutes to respond, and tell me he’s not going to book the appointment today.

 

It’s stuff like that which really gets me. I was in the car with my boyfriend too and trying to run errands. That shit messed up my mood for the afternoon. Pointless. F-ing. Nonsensical bullshit have to deal with for no reason. Text pests they are. Unnecessary stress and frustration dealing with people who don’t end up booking and ultimately end up getting told to kick rocks because I have 0 tolerance for it.

 

I think what I’m going to have to do with RentMasseur and probably my whole biz, is to announce I don’t take same TIME of day appointments . Meaning, if they text me in the afternoon, they don’t get an afternoon appointment. They get an evening or later. That way I can insure myself against having to stop what I’m doing and converse in an attempt to schedule them the same day...and perhaps train them to not think of me as someone standing in the mall with a massage table who’s always available at their convenience.

 

I’ll also retract saying I’ll remove my RentMasseur ad, as I do get about 40% of my calls (or shall I say, texts) from there. Despite 60% of that 40 have proven to be quite insolent. However, I’m going to have to start breaking it DOWN as to what I will and won’t tolerate.

Edited April 23, 2019 by Mocha

[David1024]

My regular masseur has recently left the business, but he shared with me many experiences he had of flaky behavior. Guys that would book an appointment, he would have candles lit, music playing, the table set up and a total no-show with flaky excuses. He would often turn down another client because the time slot was reserved. He also got many requests for pictures, suspecting guys would jerk off to them with no intention of booking. Masseurs and escorts put up with a lot of crap at times.

[+ tassojunior]

If you check with some non-English-speaking escorts and masseurs you can find agents who take the calls and messages and do all this for you professionally. Their fee is as low as 10% and you end up seeing more clients because of efficiency.

[SirBillybob]

Not having something because it does not exist or you are not aware of its potential existence is far easier than having something but then losing it. A potential monger reaching out to your services may create the illusion of you aready having something of value in that exchange, that is, a meaningful slice of the financial gain that your work is about.

 

Game theory, experience theory, and decision theory all come in to this.

 

It seems that you are labouring extremely hard to avoid losing something, at the client's window-shopping level, as if that were similar to having fee payment denied or stolen from you after the work is done. In other words, both you and the equivocating, vacillating, inquiring, 'flaky' client are playing not to lose something of perceived value, as if those utilities were identical. The objective $ is identical but its position is different.

 

Compared to how other businesses run, it is somewhat astonishing and impressive how much time CSWs invest in client recruitment dynamics at a time-succubus on-call or personal level. From hours on a street corner or biding time in a brothel (more historical examples) to shitloads of written communication with mongers.

 

Once a monger reaches out, his anxiety about losing something of value that he already possesses often escalates and overrides the anticipation of winning a pleasurable experience that is commensurate with the accompanying financial loss. Providers often get caught up in this.

 

Be organized. You must know by now all of the collective monger questions. Do up a fact sheet, manual, or Q&A format info guide to expeditiously shoot off to an inquiring monger. This written summary will be longer than your ad and require more of the monger's attention span. It will not alleviate his stop-loss anxiety and will lack the personal touch and the possible thrill for him of a free window-shopping exchange. However, let it go and do not engage further with repetition. This may help amplify his opposing anxiety about not winning a pleasurable experience. He will have all of the info you are willng to provide and he alone will grapple with the worry of loss. Mirroring/replicating his loss anxiety will not add one iota of gain to the likelihood of scoring a paid booking.

 

You may decide on an arbitrary set of images to append to the written guide.

 

Consider learning something more about how memory and actual experience impact theoretically on a monger's future decisions about hiring. This will require research on your part. If you can subtly reference these aspects in your summary manual, that is, identify clients' struggles with stop-loss play choices, it may give you an edge. Adding the utility of empathy to the utilities of money and orgasm.

 

In my non-entertainment business prior to retirement, the above strategies freed up my time. It was impossible to assess its impact on client recruitment volume but it alleviated the anxiety about spending valuable non-compensated time or psychological energy closing the tiresome deal.

Edited April 23, 2019 by SirBIllybob

[hypothetically]

Not having something because it does not exist or you are not aware of its potential existence is far easier than having something but then losing it. A potential monger reaching out to your services may create the illusion of you aready having something of value in that exchange, that is, a meaningful slice of the financial gain that your work is about.

 

Game theory, experience theory, and decision theory all come in to this.

 

It seems that you are labouring extremely hard to avoid losing something, at the client's window-shopping level, as if that were similar to having fee payment denied or stolen from you after the work is done. In other words, both you and the equivocating, vacillating, inquiring, 'flaky' client are playing not to lose something of perceived value, as if those utilities were identical. The objective $ is identical but its position is different.

 

Compared to how other businesses run, it is somewhat astonishing and impressive how much time CSWs invest in client recruitment dynamics at a time-succubus on-call or personal level. From hours on a street corner or biding time in a brothel (more historical examples) to shitloads of written communication with mongers.

 

Once a monger reaches out, his anxiety about losing something of value that he already possesses often escalates and overrides the anticipation of winning a pleasurable experience that is commensurate with the accompanying financial loss. Providers often get caught up in this.

 

Be organized. You must know by now all of the collective monger questions. Do up a fact sheet, manual, or Q&A format info guide to expeditiously shoot off to an inquiring monger. This written summary will be longer than your ad and require more of the monger's attention span. It will not alleviate his stop-loss anxiety and will lack the personal touch and the possible thrill for him of a free window-shopping exchange. However, let it go and do not engage further with repetition. This may help amplify his opposing anxiety about not winning a pleasurable experience. He will have all of the info you are willng to provide and he alone will grapple with the worry of loss. Mirroring/replicating his loss anxiety will not add one iota of gain to the likelihood of scoring a paid booking.

 

You may decide on an arbitrary set of images to append to the written guide.

 

Consider learning something more about how memory and actual experience impact theoretically on a monger's future decisions about hiring. This will require research on your part. If you can subtly reference these aspects in your summary manual, that is, identify clients' struggles with stop-loss play choices, it may give you an edge.

 

In my non-entertainment business prior to retirement, the above strategies freed up my time. It was impossible to assess its impact on client recruitment volume but it alleviated the anxiety about spending valuable non-compensated time or psychological energy closing the tiresome deal.

 

THIS.

[Mocha]

Not having something because it does not exist or you are not aware of its potential existence is far easier than having something but then losing it. A potential monger reaching out to your services may create the illusion of you aready having something of value in that exchange, that is, a meaningful slice of the financial gain that your work is about.

 

Game theory, experience theory, and decision theory all come in to this.

 

It seems that you are labouring extremely hard to avoid losing something, at the client's window-shopping level, as if that were similar to having fee payment denied or stolen from you after the work is done. In other words, both you and the equivocating, vacillating, inquiring, 'flaky' client are playing not to lose something of perceived value, as if those utilities were identical. The objective $ is identical but its position is different.

 

Compared to how other businesses run, it is somewhat astonishing and impressive how much time CSWs invest in client recruitment dynamics at a time-succubus on-call or personal level. From hours on a street corner or biding time in a brothel (more historical examples) to shitloads of written communication with mongers.

 

Once a monger reaches out, his anxiety about losing something of value that he already possesses often escalates and overrides the anticipation of winning a pleasurable experience that is commensurate with the accompanying financial loss. Providers often get caught up in this.

 

Be organized. You must know by now all of the collective monger questions. Do up a fact sheet, manual, or Q&A format info guide to expeditiously shoot off to an inquiring monger. This written summary will be longer than your ad and require more of the monger's attention span. It will not alleviate his stop-loss anxiety and will lack the personal touch and the possible thrill for him of a free window-shopping exchange. However, let it go and do not engage further with repetition. This may help amplify his opposing anxiety about not winning a pleasurable experience. He will have all of the info you are willng to provide and he alone will grapple with the worry of loss. Mirroring/replicating his loss anxiety will not add one iota of gain to the likelihood of scoring a paid booking.

 

You may decide on an arbitrary set of images to append to the written guide.

 

Consider learning something more about how memory and actual experience impact theoretically on a monger's future decisions about hiring. This will require research on your part. If you can subtly reference these aspects in your summary manual, that is, identify clients' struggles with stop-loss play choices, it may give you an edge. Adding the utility of empathy to the utilities of money and orgasm.

 

In my non-entertainment business prior to retirement, the above strategies freed up my time. It was impossible to assess its impact on client recruitment volume but it alleviated the anxiety about spending valuable non-compensated time or psychological energy closing the tiresome deal.

 

Well said. This takes me back to my previous sales type career where it went beyond the surface and into the dynamics. The objections. Closing the deal, etc. So I was able to understand everything you said.

 

I will mention though: I do have a predictable set of answers for clients. At the same time, what you mentioned is only a partial issue of the “nonsense”.

 

I also don’t think this is entirely the client’s fault: the current websites we have don’t quite make it easy to understand our services. And using an iPhone, many clients are looking at mobile version of those sites, which make it somewhat hard to see ALL of our instructions on 1 page. That’s one thing I missed about rentboy and men4rent: all of our info was on 1 page. The flakes and nonsense were less than they are now.

[Mocha]

My regular masseur has recently left the business, but he shared with me many experiences he had of flaky behavior. Guys that would book an appointment, he would have candles lit, music playing, the table set up and a total no-show with flaky excuses. He would often turn down another client because the time slot was reserved. He also got many requests for pictures, suspecting guys would jerk off to them with no intention of booking. Masseurs and escorts put up with a lot of crap at times.

 

I don’t blame him. Like I said, the RentMassuer site has become equally profitable and problematic. Today I had my 1st client this week from RentMasseur, but even he was almost cancelled because he wouldn’t confirm in the manner I was asking him to, and there was a 2-3 hour pause in between messages.

 

I was quite disheartened this morning to go thru 2+ PAGES of people who looked at my Private gallery on RentMasseur, but did not contact me by phone to schedule. I do try to be proactive and individually respond to each, however when I’m traveling and only in a city for 2-4 days, many of those aren’t salvageable ?

[SirBillybob]

Access to private gallery means premium membership, I presume? Does that mean the provider can detect each lurker's footprint and has a way to contact lurkers in order to field interest in an appointment?

[+ Coolwave35]

Access to private gallery means premium membership, I presume? Does that mean the provider can detect each lurker's footprint and has a way to contact lurkers in order to field interest in an appointment?

 

 

Yes

[+ robear]

I think it's a mistake to equate a premium member unlock on RentMasseur with interest to hire. I occasionally pay the $10 for a month of premium, and it's for purely voyeuristic reasons. I unlock lots of profiles with no intention of hiring. It's what RM "sells" on the client side. It's unfortunate that RM notifies the advertiser, implying interest that usually isn't actually there. That's what RM "sells" on the provider side.

 

Actual interest to hire I express via text or email to the provider. And I completely get that there are wankers out there that get off on engaging providers in extended, detailed exchanges with no intention to hire. That's unfortunate but I'm afraid it comes with the territory.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Access to private gallery means premium membership, I presume? Does that mean the provider can detect each lurker's footprint and has a way to contact lurkers in order to field interest in an appointment?

I'm pretty sure I read that on here.

 

Gman

Yes

I think it's a mistake to equate a premium member unlock on RentMasseur with interest to hire. I occasionally pay the $10 for a month of premium, and it's for purely voyeuristic reasons. I unlock lots of profiles with no intention of hiring. It's what RM "sells" on the client side. It's unfortunate that RM notifies the advertiser, implying interest that usually isn't actually there. That's what RM "sells" on the provider side.

 

Actual interest to hire I express via text or email to the provider. And I completely get that there are wankers out there that get off on engaging providers in extended, detailed exchanges with no intention to hire. That's unfortunate but I'm afraid it comes with the territory.

 

You can easily set up the privacy settings in your profile not not leave any trace when you watch a profile. Otherwise, the default setting will send a notification to every profile you access, even if you do not watch any pictures. There is a special notification when private galleries are accessed, as I do not have a premium membership I am not sure whether or not you can erase your trace. Perhaps is a question to ask to RM Support.

[+ Keith30309]

I have a premium membership and consider it an investment in more fully vetting the guys I’m seriously thinking about meeting.

I browse the semi-private galleries of non-hires only very rarely. Usually after some mention on the forum.

 

If I want to see fun pics I use Twitter.

 

If I were selling my time I would consider “views” an affirmation that my advertising is working.

[marylander1940]

I don’t blame him. Like I said, the RentMassuer site has become equally profitable and problematic. Today I had my 1st client this week from RentMasseur, but even he was almost cancelled because he wouldn’t confirm in the manner I was asking him to, and there was a 2-3 hour pause in between messages

 

 

Massage = lower price and twice the work.

 

When a guy calls you for an erotic massage he wants an escort for a lower price.

 

Get off that site!

 

I was quite disheartened this morning to go thru 2+ PAGES of people who looked at my Private gallery on RentMasseur, but did not contact me by phone to schedule. I do try to be proactive and individually respond to each, however when I’m traveling and only in a city for 2-4 days, many of those aren’t salvageable ?

 

Maybe they were just jerking off to your pics...

 

As explained by others before me, if you don't want to be "tracked".

 

https://rentmen.eu/settings/privacy/

 

Scroll down to the 7th choice and click "No - don't track me".

[+ robear]

On RentMasseur advertisers are notified of unlocks even if do not track is selected. RentMen (and other sites) may work differently.

[Musclejake]

I find people that pre-book (48 hours or more) have a cancellation rate of about 95%. Legit things come up where they have to cancel and that’s fine, but to avoid the hassle of dealing with cancellations, I no longer accept pre-bookings 48 hours or more in advance. If they really want to solidify a time, I ask half my fee be paid upfront. As far as people that just text for info and then disappear, I’m not sure how to deal with that - I just ignore it.

[+ oldNbusted]

I find people that pre-book (48 hours or more) have a cancellation rate of about 95%.

 

A lot of guys say this, it's unfortunate for those of us who do like to schedule in advance. I've never cancelled such a meeting and sometimes have made these plans months in advance.

 

But let me ask you this, did you find this to be true for people you have met multiple times before, or have known a long time? Wondering if it's specific to new people...

[Musclejake]

A lot of guys say this, it's unfortunate for those of us who do like to schedule in advance. I've never cancelled such a meeting and sometimes have made these plans months in advance.

 

But let me ask you this, did you find this to be true for people you have met multiple times before, or have known a long time? Wondering if it's specific to new people...

Good question. No I’m referencing new clients. If it’s a repeat client, they are much more likely to keep the appointment and I do accept pre-bookings for repeat clients.

[vaurien]

As a prospective client I want to comment on the statement that 2+ pages of clients looked at his private gallery without contacting him.

1) I look at profiles to see if the escort is someone who fits what I am looking for; sometimes multiple times to see if the guy is traveling close to my area.

2) Unless I think the escort is someone I will hire I don't request access to their private gallery. But if you list your private gallery password in your ad I think you can expect it to be viewed.

[vaurien]

As a prospective client I want to comment on the statement that 2+ pages of clients looked at his private gallery without contacting him.

1) I look at profiles to see if the escort is someone who fits what I am looking for; sometimes multiple times to see if the guy is traveling close to my area.

2) Unless I think the escort is someone I will hire I don't request access to their private gallery. But if you list your private gallery password in your ad I think you can expect it to be viewed.