Looking for new ways to cut down on the nonsense...

[Pulgasari1991]

If you check with some non-English-speaking escorts and masseurs you can find agents who take the calls and messages and do all this for you professionally. Their fee is as low as 10% and you end up seeing more clients because of efficiency.

Wondering if I got this right: they keep ads just like others, on rentmen and the usual sites, except that the phone number in the ad leads to a third person explaining the details, taking questions, etc? Isn't that a turn off for many clients?

[Pulgasari1991]

If you check with some non-English-speaking escorts and masseurs you can find agents who take the calls and messages and do all this for you professionally. Their fee is as low as 10% and you end up seeing more clients because of efficiency.

Wondering if I got this right: they keep ads just like others, on rentmen and the usual sites, except that the phone number in the ad leads to a third person explaining the details, taking questions, etc? Isn't that a turn off for many clients?

[+ tassojunior]

Wondering if I got this right: they keep ads just like others, on rentmen and the usual sites, except that the phone number in the ad leads to a third person explaining the details, taking questions, etc? Isn't that a turn off for many clients?

 

The agent always pretends they are the provider.

[+ tassojunior]

Wondering if I got this right: they keep ads just like others, on rentmen and the usual sites, except that the phone number in the ad leads to a third person explaining the details, taking questions, etc? Isn't that a turn off for many clients?

 

The agent always pretends they are the provider.

[marylander1940]

Wondering if I got this right: they keep ads just like others, on rentmen and the usual sites, except that the phone number in the ad leads to a third person explaining the details, taking questions, etc? Isn't that a turn off for many clients?

 

The agent always pretends they are the provider.

 

Exactly considering it will be done by text, there's pretty much no way the would-be-client will know he is not talking with the escort.

[marylander1940]

Wondering if I got this right: they keep ads just like others, on rentmen and the usual sites, except that the phone number in the ad leads to a third person explaining the details, taking questions, etc? Isn't that a turn off for many clients?

 

The agent always pretends they are the provider.

 

Exactly considering it will be done by text, there's pretty much no way the would-be-client will know he is not talking with the escort.

[SirBillybob]

One ring-dingy ... we need an Ernestine type to do a skit on this.

 

Yes, he's been a bottom since his high school production of Midsummer Night's Dream [snort]. No, he does not accept cheques but he is one [snort].

Edited April 29, 2019 by SirBIllybob

[SirBillybob]

One ring-dingy ... we need an Ernestine type to do a skit on this.

 

Yes, he's been a bottom since his high school production of Midsummer Night's Dream [snort]. No, he does not accept cheques but he is one [snort].

Edited April 29, 2019 by SirBIllybob

[+ tassojunior]

One ring-dingy ... we need an Ernestine type to do a skit on this.

 

Yes, he's been a bottom since his high school production of Midsummer Night's Dream [snort]. No, he does not accept cheques but he is one [snort].

 

It is funny but in practice it works very well. The agent just pretends he is the provider, has perfect English and is concise, and guys who use an agent always are punctual and totally concentrated on the client, not the phone. It's strange that the ones who use agents are non-English speakers only. It makes it possible to see more clients and happier clients.

 

Several of us here who visit Prague a lot finally realized there was an agent involved after providers told us. We never knew at all. I guess we should have wondered why the guys spoke perfect English online but not a word in person. Then I met my Argentine non-English-speaking friend and found in South Florida the latinos also use an agent for language purposes. He also pretends to be them and charges 10% and sets their clients up perfectly.

 

My Czech friends have either stopped using or lost their agent and believe me, it can be chaos and very hard to set up appointments. Sometimes they will ask me what something a client is asking online means and I realize I wouldn't do that work for anything. Would-be clients are way too often time-wasters who just want to talk.

 

But if you can find an agent through non-English-speaking friends, it's well worth the experiment.

 

Czech one out.

[+ tassojunior]

One ring-dingy ... we need an Ernestine type to do a skit on this.

 

Yes, he's been a bottom since his high school production of Midsummer Night's Dream [snort]. No, he does not accept cheques but he is one [snort].

 

It is funny but in practice it works very well. The agent just pretends he is the provider, has perfect English and is concise, and guys who use an agent always are punctual and totally concentrated on the client, not the phone. It's strange that the ones who use agents are non-English speakers only. It makes it possible to see more clients and happier clients.

 

Several of us here who visit Prague a lot finally realized there was an agent involved after providers told us. We never knew at all. I guess we should have wondered why the guys spoke perfect English online but not a word in person. Then I met my Argentine non-English-speaking friend and found in South Florida the latinos also use an agent for language purposes. He also pretends to be them and charges 10% and sets their clients up perfectly.

 

My Czech friends have either stopped using or lost their agent and believe me, it can be chaos and very hard to set up appointments. Sometimes they will ask me what something a client is asking online means and I realize I wouldn't do that work for anything. Would-be clients are way too often time-wasters who just want to talk.

 

But if you can find an agent through non-English-speaking friends, it's well worth the experiment.

 

Czech one out.

[MiamiLooker]

Unfortunately all businesses have folks who are either flaky, shopping around for their best deal or who changed their mind at the last minute. I'm aware this flakiness has skyrocketed in the last years because of this buyers market and escorts on reputable sites have to deal with guys who used hire from CL... If rentmasseur gives you such a headache list yourself as an escort and don't advertise there. Most guys who call for an "erotic massage" just want get off with a good looking man like you but without paying an escort's rate.

 

Thank you again for your honest post!

By “reputable sites” do you mean the ones in which the advertisers use their real name, current pics, accurate stats, and provide the agreed upon service?

[marylander1940]

By “reputable sites” do you mean the ones in which the advertisers use their real name, current pics, accurate stats, and provide the agreed upon service?

 

No the ones where folks are less likely to get mugged... and there's a CC record of the provider.

[Mocha]

I find people that pre-book (48 hours or more) have a cancellation rate of about 95%. Legit things come up where they have to cancel and that’s fine, but to avoid the hassle of dealing with cancellations, I no longer accept pre-bookings 48 hours or more in advance. If they really want to solidify a time, I ask half my fee be paid upfront. As far as people that just text for info and then disappear, I’m not sure how to deal with that - I just ignore it.

 

Interesting you mention. Lately, most all of my bookings have been day of apppintments. I don’t mind advanced notice visit, but I find those cancel less than some of the ones who schedule the day of and then cancel.

 

I’m finding some of the ones who text for info and disappear, are suspect. I wouldn’t ignore it, I’d investigate it and make sure it doesn’t happen again..because they always come back around and do it AGAIN. I pay for a background service, and I went without it for the past 3 months. I just resigned up today, because I need to get on these MOFO’s asses again.

 

I looked up 3 numbers today from people who cancelled/flake, and all of them had mismatched name information, or no information. One appeared to be a 28 y/o female, but the person claimed to be a male in his texts. Didn’t address my name and didn’t quite the proper website. One had a google voice number that went to “please state your name at the tone”.

 

Some of these mofos think they’re slick, but I be on to their shit. And whatever fake contact info they want to use, will be reported. As I did today.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

Massage = lower price and twice the work.

 

When a guy calls you for an erotic massage he wants an escort for a lower price.

 

Get off that site!

 

 

 

Maybe they were just jerking off to your pics...

 

As explained by others before me, if you don't want to be "tracked".

 

https://rentmen.eu/settings/privacy/

 

Scroll down to the 7th choice and click "No - don't track me".

 

You refer to RentMasseur in the first part of your post. That’s the one I’m referring to. Rentmen allows a bit more tracking info.

 

I am debating the merits of continuing to advertise on RentMasseur. I recently dropped the gold placement and have switched back to basic.

 

I do get a fair share of clients from there, but I’m getting close to dropping that ad also. Mainly because the majority of correspondences coming from there haven’t been panning out. It may just get to where the only sites I’m on is rentmen and adam4adam.

 

(And @hypothetically can “yuck” adam4adam at will, but I actually met about 2 well to do clients from there the other week.)

 

And to update: every since I’ve taken my private pics locked, I’ve been getting more clients sticking to appointments.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Mocha

[hypothetically]

You refer to RentMasseur in the first part of your post. That’s the one I’m referring to. Rentmen allows a bit more tracking info.

 

I am debating the merits of continuing to advertise on RentMasseur. I recently dropped the gold placement and have switched back to basic.

 

I do get a fair share of clients from there, but I’m getting close to dropping that ad also. Mainly because the majority of correspondences coming from there haven’t been panning out. It may just get to where the only sites I’m on is rentmen and adam4adam.

 

(And @hypothetically can “yuck” adam4adam at will, but I actually met about 2 well to do clients from there the other week.)

 

And to update: every since I’ve taken my private pics locked, I’ve been getting more clients sticking to appointments.

 

“Ok.”

[Mocha]

“Ok.”

 

I’m just saying, because at the current...that’s not where most of the “ick” is coming from. Most of the ick is coming from the main sites.

 

I just spent a good part of my Thursday, replying to text appointments from 4 different people: 3 from the rent sites, 1 from a4a. Didn’t meet a single one because they contact for appointments, then have some bullshit excuse as to why they can’t meet.

 

The a4a replies I can usually mitigate because atleast I have a pic to go by. The other sites, even running a background on the numbers, I have no idea.

 

It’s that kind of nonsense I speak of. Sometimes I wonder if there’s some sort of jealous rivalry at play, but at the same time I know that people can do these sorts of things all on their own. My next line of defense, and for my own sanity and to NOT be in a bad mood over Mother’s Day, is to just go ahead and cut my work phone line until I’m ready to leave out of town next week.

 

People are catching on that I can become a fucking DICK, real quick. Some people think I have to sit around and be nice and complacent and excuse their bullshit ways. No, they’re going to get that ass straightened out, because I’m not dealing with annoying people who get on my nerves, and I don’t fucking have time to be raising someone else’s kids.

 

Grow the fuck up people! I got too much stuff on my hands, to be texting round the clock to people who make my life difficult when trying to making an appointment. Fucking hard headed people don’t want to listen, don’t want to read, think everything revolves around their schedule, don’t want to wait for shit: Last time I checked, who’s running this?

 

The worse ones are those who stalk my ad, wait for me to get back into town, and then ask for an inconvenient time. When I try to schedule something more convenient, they can’t meet. Just wasting my time.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Mocha

[Aaron_Bauder]

Protecting my mental health in client cultivation, from most important to...nearly as important:

 

1) Use canned response app

2) Keep initial interactions energetic but direct/dispassionate

3) Move on when clients won't close; don't donate too much free time

4) Develop and nuture regulars

5) Block at first sign of drama / high maintenance

6) Take a self-care day once a week: off-grid, no notifications

7) Clean inbox frequently, deleting missed connections

8) Stick to my bedtime most days

9) Vaping and edibles

10) Use app with separate number, setup for business texting, with auto responses as needed

 

My balanced, can't-have-it-all approach. Downside is some income loss: a few legit clients end up as collateral damage, lost to my days off, (relatively) early bedtimes, and block-happy trigger finger. But I had to make the trade off. Engaging 24/7, fully invested, with *every* prospect no matter who, when, how, or what created super high levels of anxiety and burnout.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Aaron_Bauder

[Guest Grey Bear]

Men are PIGS.If you are on RentMen and RentMasseur I assume there is more available than massage (at a higher price).For each category I am looking for specific needs. If I'm on RMen I'm looking forTOP/ SIZE. If I am on RMasseur I'm looking for EROTIC. Just because I'm looking at pix does NOT mean I'm interested in hiring.Yet on either site,if I've looked at a profile I frequently get a short sales pitch from the provider. Don't pitch me. If I'm interested I'll email YOU. With prices for either service all over the map many of us are price shopping.In my area the average price for an EROTIC massage is 85. If someone is charging 120 I expect additional service. I will never pay 200-300 for penetration,Especially when the provider shoots in 5 minutes and the hour I paid for is OVER.

[Mocha]

Protecting my mental health in client cultivation, from most important to...nearly as important:

 

1) Use canned response app

2) Keep initial interactions energetic but direct/dispassionate

3) Move on when clients won't close; don't donate too much free time

4) Take a self-care day once a week: off-grid, no notifications

6) Develop and nuture regulars

5) Block at first sign of drama / high maintenance

7) Clean inbox frequently, deleting missed connections

9) Stick to my bedtime most days

10) Vaping and edibles

8) Use app with separate number, setup for business texting, with auto responses as needed

 

My balanced, can't-have-it-all approach. Downside is some income loss: a few legit clients end up as collateral damage, lost to my days off, (relatively) early bedtimes, and block-happy trigger finger. But I had to make the trade off. Engaging 24/7, fully invested, with *every* prospect no matter who, when, how, or what created super high levels of anxiety and burnout.

 

Thankyou SO MUCH for sharing that, I really needed that read. Numbers 3 and 5 I need to work on. And that last sentence about engaging 24/7 and with every prospect is a bad habit I been doing and need to end immediately. I’m just going to start cutting MOFOS (allegorically speaking, of course). The hard part is trying to determine who to cut. There’s just so many clients out there that just don’t uss etiquette, but turn out to be good when I work with them. But I think if I listen to my gut, and they give me that obvious gut wrenching flaky feeling...I might just go ahead and cut it.

 

But I’m confused about number 7, missed connections. What are considered missed connections? And why delete them, versus following up a later time?

 

Men are PIGS.If you are on RentMen and RentMasseur I assume there is more available than massage (at a higher price).For each category I am looking for specific needs. If I'm on RMen I'm looking forTOP/ SIZE. If I am on RMasseur I'm looking for EROTIC. Just because I'm looking at pix does NOT mean I'm interested in hiring.Yet on either site,if I've looked at a profile I frequently get a short sales pitch from the provider. Don't pitch me. If I'm interested I'll email YOU. With prices for either service all over the map many of us are price shopping.In my area the average price for an EROTIC massage is 85. If someone is charging 120 I expect additional service. I will never pay 200-300 for penetration,Especially when the provider shoots in 5 minutes and the hour I paid for is OVER.

 

I agree with all. However, I don’t think it’s anything wrong with a sales pitch if you look at someone’s pictures (then again, it’s for that reason I’ve locked my pics and only open for those who are looking to book appointment...my private areas are not a real estate/used car magazine to be flipped thru and “passed on”.). It shouldn’t bother you to have someone contact you, after seeing their pictures in all their glory.

 

Also you say you’ll never pay 200-300 for penetration, but mention providers cumming in 5 minutes. Unfortunately, you kinda get what you spend for. $120 for a massage and penetration is not sustainable. That’s an amount guys who are starting out, new to the biz will charge. I know because I started out charging that amount before I became professional...it’s degrading and humiliating because you still have to deal with all the crap for half the pay. Plus that person has to see more clients in order to make it doable. So surely, you can’t expect a marathon.

 

I know this shouldn’t be a factor of rates either, but I used to work in banks and have even found the occasionally client’s ATM receipts in the “envelope”. Why in God’s earth would I be asking for $120 for full service, and this person is sitting with 20, 40, 60 THOUSAND in cash in their bank account?

 

That doesn’t mean I’m going to charge that person more, but it means I don’t want to sell myself short. In some cities, all I get is 1 to 2 client a week. It’s rare to see multiple clients per day, even though my text messages seem to indicate I should. But 3/4 are flakes. Even some regulars only come around once in awhile. I’d be living in poverty charging $120, selling my skills for pittance, when that same client would have no issue paying $1,000 to put his dog on a plane.

 

And what if the provider shoots in five minutes, and then in 55 minutes, shoots again ?

https://rentmen.eu/male-escort-videos/play/76922

[Aaron_Bauder]

But I’m confused about number 7, missed connections. What are considered missed connections? And why delete them, versus following up a later time?

 

A missed connection is a non-appointment who hasn't responded in 48-72 hours. Could be a cancellation, someone with whom I've communicated extensively, or someone who called or texted once then ghosted. Either way, I will usually swing back around once in the next few gays to gauge interest. If still no response, DELETE DELETE DELETE

 

There’s just so many clients out there that just don’t uss etiquette, but turn out to be good when I work with them.

 

This is the trade-off I talk about. I'm 100% certain I've deleted, blocked, or otherwise dismissed a potential client who would have worked out had I put in a lot of effort. However, I've learned I can't invest that kind of time and energy 24/7 into everyone who reaches out. It's draining. So I accept that boundaries I need to protect my health and quality of service may lead to collateral damage.

 

A client may come across as entitled and high maintenance not because he's an a-hole, but because he's a newbie who doesn't "get it" yet. A client may flake multiple times not because he's rude, but because he's scared (and not out). With some guidance and patience, these scared newbies could become lucrative regulars. But I can no longer exhaust myself mentally, wading through all the bullshit to separate the jerks from the legit. So that means my blocking and deleting is likely losing me some business. But the trade-off in improved quality of life is worth it.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Aaron_Bauder

[hypothetically]

Protecting my mental health in client cultivation, from most important to...nearly as important:

 

1) Use canned response app

2) Keep initial interactions energetic but direct/dispassionate

3) Move on when clients won't close; don't donate too much free time

4) Develop and nuture regulars

5) Block at first sign of drama / high maintenance

6) Take a self-care day once a week: off-grid, no notifications

7) Clean inbox frequently, deleting missed connections

8) Stick to my bedtime most days

9) Vaping and edibles

10) Use app with separate number, setup for business texting, with auto responses as needed

 

My balanced, can't-have-it-all approach. Downside is some income loss: a few legit clients end up as collateral damage, lost to my days off, (relatively) early bedtimes, and block-happy trigger finger. But I had to make the trade off. Engaging 24/7, fully invested, with *every* prospect no matter who, when, how, or what created super high levels of anxiety and burnout.

 

I love this.

[+ keroscenefire]

This is the trade-off I talk about. I'm 100% certain I've deleted, blocked, or otherwise dismissed a potential client who would have worked out had I put in a lot of effort. However, I've learned I can't invest that kind of time and energy 24/7 into everyone who reaches out. It's draining. So I accept that boundaries I need to protect my health and quality of service may lead to collateral damage.

 

I would imagine this is something a lot of newbies have to develop. It may be that when starting out you do have to put a lot of effort into cultivating new clients and trying to make it so you have some regulars. But once you got a solid network, I'd imagine the effort can really peter off because you have regulars that make up a significant portion of your income.

[Mocha]

A missed connection is a non-appointment who hasn't responded in 48-72 hours. Could be a cancellation, someone with whom I've communicated extensively, or someone who called or texted once then ghosted. Either way, I will usually swing back around once in the next few gays to gauge interest. If still no response, DELETE DELETE DELETE

 

 

 

This is the trade-off I talk about. I'm 100% certain I've deleted, blocked, or otherwise dismissed a potential client who would have worked out had I put in a lot of effort. However, I've learned I can't invest that kind of time and energy 24/7 into everyone who reaches out. It's draining. So I accept that boundaries I need to protect my health and quality of service may lead to collateral damage.

 

A client may come across as entitled and high maintenance not because he's an a-hole, but because he's a newbie who doesn't "get it" yet. A client may flake multiple times not because he's rude, but because he's scared (and not out). With some guidance and patience, these scared newbies could become lucrative regulars. But I can no longer exhaust myself mentally, wading through all the bullshit to separate the jerks from the legit. So that means my blocking and deleting is likely losing me some business. But the trade-off in improved quality of life is worth it.

 

Thanks for clarifying. It’s exactly some of the things I’ve contended with. However, rather than delete/block...I save the texts and when they hit me up again (which they usually do), I will tell them something like:

 

“I noticed you contacted me for an appointment back on June 5, 2017...and when it came time to confirm, you did not return my messages. Are you serious this time, as I do have a cancellation fee.

 

I had a guy end up meeting me after I told him that. He contacted me in a different city like a year prior, then went radio silent mid-message. I also distinctively remembered that convo because it was late night, and I was in a position at the time where I wanted to see a client. But once we met, he understood.