working in a city with very low competition

[redites]

hi guys

 

I'm wondering if it's a good idea (revenue-wise) to work in cities which have very low amount of other male escorts.

 

for example, the biggest cities (300-400k inhabitants) in the canary Islands seem to have no more than 3-5 escorts available (on rentmen and local websites) .

 

Would it means it's a good plan, or rather that the demand is very low? Any experience in this kind of setup?

[+ tassojunior]

means there's no market.

guys find any market that's out there.

[+ VictorPowers]

Well it’d either go very well or quite the opposite. I have branched out into mid sized cities and it’s proven fruitful. Every provider is different and market unique. It’s tough to know unless you give it a try. I’d throw an ad up 30+ days in advance. Schedule a flexible hotel rate and wait. If you receive some solid interest and/or pre bookings, purchase flights or arrange other means of transportation. If you’re feeling it won’t be profitable, listen to your gut and cancel the hotel and ad for the city.

[+ poolboy48220]

Detroit's got very few local escorts (although it's better than it used to be). For me at least, that just means I go without; it doesn't translate to me hiring a guy just because he's the only local option.

[+ VictorPowers]

Detroit's got very few local escorts (although it's better than it used to be). For me at least, that just means I go without; it doesn't translate to me hiring a guy just because he's the only local option.

A question I have would be... Are you constantly on the hunt for visitors in Detroit?

[+ azdr0710]

welcome to the forum @redites

 

if you're specifically asking about the situation in the Canary Islands (!), I'd say there is low demand there.....the resident locals probably have their own "friends" already and visitors probably come with an already-existing partner or with plans that don't include meeting a provider......

 

I live near the fifth-largest city (population) in the US........but visiting providers are rare because it has a rep for not being particularly busy for them....the locals here are not, relatively, the type to hire, but are, rather, more settled in with a partner or not really the wild hiring kind.....it's a more conservative, quiet place as compared to busy towns like LA, NY, Atlanta, Miami et al.......

[handiacefailure]

Detroit's got very few local escorts (although it's better than it used to be). For me at least, that just means I go without; it doesn't translate to me hiring a guy just because he's the only local option.

 

And I've noticed DTW escorts have raised their rates. I contact two and they both want $300 and the one can't even host and said I'd have to pay for a hotel room! Absurd when I've hired porn stars in bigger cities that were well known and a lot cuter than these guys I contacted.

 

Like you, I'll just go without vs. paying $300 for an unkown escort.

[+ poolboy48220]

A question I have would be... Are you constantly on the hunt for visitors in Detroit?

Yup. I check the listings just about every day.

[redites]

thanks you all for your answers

 

in the Canary Islands (!), I'd say there is low demand there.....the resident locals probably have their own "friends" already and visitors probably come with an already-existing partner or with plans that don't include meeting a provider......

 

do you know that from experience or is it a supposition?

Now I'm more hesitant to go there. Any recommendation for nice cities in the EU?

[+ azdr0710]

do you know that from experience or is it a supposition?

Now I'm more hesitant to go there. Any recommendation for nice cities in the EU?

 

it was my own assumption.....I've never been to the Canary Islands......I didn't know you're apparently more based in Europe and I have no suggestions for smaller markets over there ......

[Smurof]

Occasionally I see escorts post about going to unusual metropolitan areas, like Omaha or Knoxville, for example and complain about what a morgue it was. Big cities with no advertisers doesn't mean all the business for yourself, but the demand is not there, no matter how hot you may look and how reasonable your donation is.

[Ryan Roman]

hi guys

 

I'm wondering if it's a good idea (revenue-wise) to work in cities which have very low amount of other male escorts.

 

for example, the biggest cities (300-400k inhabitants) in the canary Islands seem to have no more than 3-5 escorts available (on rentmen and local websites) .

 

Would it means it's a good plan, or rather that the demand is very low? Any experience in this kind of setup?

 

I've had mixed experiences with working in mid-sized cities. It's been hit or miss for me.

[+ keroscenefire]

One of my regulars has spent most of January and now February in the El Paso area for some family obligations and apparently it has been completely dead for him. Not a lot of business even though El Paso is a decently large city (More than a million, metro). But maybe it's challenging because it's so isolated and just doesn't have the culture of escorting that other cities have. Or because it's a border city, maybe the business is done in a different way there. But sure enough there are only three ads for the city on RM and apparently it's really slow.

[LoganClark]

Another option or way to view the same question would be "Which cities are sexually repressed" and although not definitive, but from my experience traveling and from speaking to about 12-15 escorts, this seems to be a great indicator or client need vs escort supply.

For example: In Montreal Canada, I have had horrible experiences working there. Reason being, Montreal is known for sex and open expressions of human contact, much more so then other citites such as Calgary or for that matter, Toronto. One would think Montreal is a great place for that, but in practice, the rates/hour are drastically less then others (NYC, Toronto, Boston etc.) and the demand from clients is much less as they have something like 13 bathhouses....

 

In my most successful trips have been in the most surprising of locations and my measure tool/question, has not let me down since I have put into practice.

 

Hope this helps and happy to answer other questions anyone may have in regards to my theory....

 

Cheers,

[+ VictorPowers]

One of my regulars has spent most of January and now February in the El Paso area for some family obligations and apparently it has been completely dead for him. Not a lot of business even though El Paso is a decently large city (More than a million, metro). But maybe it's challenging because it's so isolated and just doesn't have the culture of escorting that other cities have. Or because it's a border city, maybe the business is done in a different way there. But sure enough there are only three ads for the city on RM and apparently it's really slow.

That is exactly the reason Utah isn’t great. There isn’t a hiring culture here. On paper SLC should be amazing. Large population and rapidly growing, big airport, expanding light rail, cheap hotel rates, most residents own a car, great economy..

[+ Charlie]

Every metro area has its own characteristics. A couple of generalizations, however, are probably true.

1) No matter how large the city, if an even larger city is easily accessible by the residents, many of them will simply go to the larger city to hire escorts, because there is more variety in the larger city, or because the client is more comfortable doing it away from home. That explains why Philadelphia and Baltimore are less productive for local escorts than their size might indicate, because many local clients hire in New York and Washington instead.

2) A city that draws a lot of tourists will probably be more productive for a local escort than one in which he has to depend on local residents, although he will have a less steady clientele. That is one reason why Las Vegas has many more escorts than El Paso, even though the cities are similar in size. Tourists are more inclined to spend money on sex (and the per capita income of El Paso residents is also fairly low).

[+ JEC]

Y'all need to come to Boston!!!!

[FrancisCA]

Y'all need to come to Boston!!!!

I just put boston on my travels and im getting more messages than Washington and NY combined. Is this true?

[Mocha]

That is exactly the reason Utah isn’t great. There isn’t a hiring culture here. On paper SLC should be amazing. Large population and rapidly growing, big airport, expanding light rail, cheap hotel rates, most residents own a car, great economy..

 

Salt Lake City did used to be great. I probably F**ked about 1/3 of the city between 2011-2014 lol.

 

What fucked up Salt Lake City was the closure of Men4Rent (and to a lesser extent, craigslist). The guys there were used to that particular site, because that’s where I got majority of my hits from. When men4rent started censoring things, I noticed salt lake started becoming a bit dry.

 

I also noticed over the years, SLC started having more escorts “pop up” here and there. I can’t vouch that they were all legit, but when I was out there I was usually always the main guy advertising out there. Overtime I would see one here, another there, and then more and more.

 

And similar to Denver, sometimes those rapid growths can spell DISASTER to a quiet village city. All that growth comes with higher rent prices, changes in economy, etc. Then you add Grindr and all that growth in population simply amounts to everyone fucking each other in the same neighborhood, sex work pretty much goes out the window...unless you’re a commodity. And Salt Lake City is no shortage of White like Atlanta is no shortage of Black lol, if you know what I mean.

 

I used to rent a hotel room off Redwood Rd. In Salt Lake City all the time...stay for like a week. Nice apartment like hotel. Then they turned it into actual apartments. That was the first sign of things changing up.

 

I’m wanting to get back out to Salt Lake City, but if it’s become anything like it’s neglected step-sister Kansas City, I might have to pass up.

Edited April 2, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

I just put boston on my travels and im getting more messages than Washington and NY combined. Is this true?

 

The issue with Boston is most of those messages tend to end up being flakes. I meant to put Boston on my list of top 10 flakiest cities. I’d still check it out though, because like I said....10 clients and 20 flakes is still a good deal, it just depends on your tolerance for handling the flakes.

[+ DALE CRUZE]

Another option or way to view the same question would be "Which cities are sexually repressed" and although not definitive, but from my experience traveling and from speaking to about 12-15 escorts, this seems to be a great indicator or client need vs escort supply.

For example: In Montreal Canada, I have had horrible experiences working there. Reason being, Montreal is known for sex and open expressions of human contact, much more so then other citites such as Calgary or for that matter, Toronto. One would think Montreal is a great place for that, but in practice, the rates/hour are drastically less then others (NYC, Toronto, Boston etc.) and the demand from clients is much less as they have something like 13 bathhouses....

 

In my most successful trips have been in the most surprising of locations and my measure tool/question, has not let me down since I have put into practice.

 

Hope this helps and happy to answer other questions anyone may have in regards to my theory....

 

Cheers,

 

the BEST answer fer sure. given that there are soooo many factors to calculate this , it is true in my experience also...the cities that are the most repressed have been good for me as well. but then again i do really well in nyc and not so good in LA. and ATL is full of flakes that have no consideration for another persons time. get used to that in the deep south... they seem to operate on a different time frame. either that or they like to make a dramatic late entrance.

[Mocha]

it is true in my experience also...the cities that are the most repressed have been good for me as well. but then again i do really well in nyc and not so good in LA. and ATL is full of flakes that have no consideration for another persons time. get used to that in the deep south... they seem to operate on a different time frame. either that or they like to make a dramatic late entrance.

 

Amen to that! The Deep South has never been a consistent hit for me. It even used to be that Nashville was a fairly decent market a few years ago, now that place is fierce...with BS, and catching up with the ATL state of mind. And even though there’s money there, most is concentrated either downtown or the areas to the south on 65. The rest reeks of poverty. I was all too happy to leave back in 2017...but I still make visits there occasionally. Each time varies. Sometimes it’s good, other times it’s dead. The presence of Grindr continues to trouble that market, but the ridding of craigslist and backpage has slightly improved it. As the case for many cities in the country.

 

As for repressed markets: I just don’t understand it. What’s kinda sad is the fact that there’s some small towns outside of repressed cities, that aren’t just repressed, but have 0 advertising gay people on any site. No kidding, the area I’m in right now South of Kansas City has 0 people on Adam (it’s actually not even an option), and 0 people on Grindr. The closest gay person on any website is usually like 22 miles away. And I can forget about meeting any clients out this way, I have to travel an hour north to Kansas City anytime I get a client. Needless to say, it’s a temporary situation that I only need to do for about 1 to 3 weeks at a time since I’m always traveling country.

 

Yet, I go to the gyms in this area...there’s one hot guy after the next. Back to back. I’m like, how it is that non of these guys are on any gay platform?

 

It just goes to show the overall gay “scene” is still pretty much invisible in all but the largest of cities. Then, when you finally do meet a gay person in such areas, they’re often half-closeted, and only use gay guys for sex. That’s why I said before sites like Grindr are sleazy. It’s not Grindr itself that’s sleazy, it’s the way people use it that makes it sleazy.

 

At the same time, what can one do? It wouldn’t make any sense if apps werent sleazy. Anytime I meet a guy at the gym, he’s talking about his “girlfriend”. Well shit, where else am I supposed to get some from? It’s hard enough to find even a guy who’s gay, so when I do...most likely we’re going to fuck.

 

The issue comes when gay guys can’t see beyond that. It grates my nerves when I meet a guy and hit it off a couple of times, but anytime they have plans to do outside of sex, there’s never any inclusion. That when it becomes evident that they’re still repressed, and can only define gay in the capacity of sex and nothing else.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Mocha

[marylander1940]

means there's no market.

guys find any market that's out there.

 

It's a double edged sword... Maybe there's no big market but the escort is the fixed menu... it might be a good place to travel but not to live there unless he has a sugar daddy.

 

Btw there's always a market, the issue is if they're willing to pay X for it.

[Mocha]

It's a double edged sword... Maybe there's no big market but the escort is the fixed menu... it might be a good place to travel but not to live there unless he has a sugar daddy.

 

Btw there's always a market, the issue is if they're willing to pay X for it.

 

Sometimes the bigger the market, the cheaper the rates...and vice versa.

 

However, the smaller the market, the overall pay factor can be lower.

 

Its like hotels: it’s crazy how Las Vegas, Orlando or Dallas have hotels going for $30 a night (not that they’re all worth staying at lol). Yet in the little podunk towns, hotels are consistently $50/60/90 a night.

 

I don’t mind doing a hotel in the little podunk town I’m in, just to do freebie hookup...but it’s like $60/70 a night. Not expensive by any stretch, but when you’re trying to meet guys throughout the week and not getting paid for it, it adds up. And these guys are too cheap to get a hotel for their hookups...non of them can really host. I spend most of my month traveling, so I have a reason to be cheap lol.

[RealAvalon]

Sometimes the bigger the market, the cheaper the rates...and vice versa.

 

However, the smaller the market, the overall pay factor can be lower.

 

Its like hotels: it’s crazy how Las Vegas, Orlando or Dallas have hotels going for $30 a night (not that they’re all worth staying at lol). Yet in the little podunk towns, hotels are consistently $50/60/90 a night.

 

I don’t mind doing a hotel in the little podunk town I’m in, just to do freebie hookup...but it’s like $60/70 a night. Not expensive by any stretch, but when you’re trying to meet guys throughout the week and not getting paid for it, it adds up. And these guys are too cheap to get a hotel for their hookups...non of them can really host. I spend most of my month traveling, so I have a reason to be cheap lol.

I can't find a hotel in Chicago for less than $200 per night. Florida is similar. And Seattle is one of the worst