PetetKsfo

Self-promote? and your ad links don't work??

That’s the job, making people feel comfortable, good about themselves, relaxed. Everyone wants to be approved of. 

I'd bet every escort who's proficient in the client's language would offer this if you could establish trust and a viable means of payment.
However, someone needs a talent for phone sex.

So... what are you wearing?
Kevin Slater

I'm a big believer in consent and being upfront. So I will ask a new provider what an erotic massage includes, including "can I blow you?" If it's not been discussed up front, you can simply ask "may I suck you?" But doing it that way may make the provider feel pressured so I think it's best to be upfront. Also, if you really want that as part of your experience, you want a provider who includes that. 

In my experience the company is really the reason for an overnight, not 12 or so hours of action. It’s about being with someone you feel comfortable with to chat, eat, relax, bathe, walk, and of course get intimate with each other over the course of the session. Clients book it as an escape from normal life. 

Overnights aren’t for everyone, but some love them intensely. I have clients who literally only book me for overnights. That being said, in addition to the physical component, what you do during overnights is no different than what you do with a lover, boyfriend, partner, companion, i.e. conversation, dine, watch a movie, hold hands, cuddle, jacuzzi together, or whatever it is the client likes to do. 

I rarely tip for the reasons @robear pointed out. The provider has set the price, and I've agreed to it. With a massage or other service in a spa I always tip but I don't go to spas for erotic massages. I have at times tipped providers who took me last minute or otherwise went above and beyond. We also tend to be return clients. 

To the OP, if you are relying on your tips, you are not charging enough. 

In NYC at least, there is a great difference between the services of a masseur in a spa setting, where a generous tip is appropriate and expected (100% of the fee or more, depending on the quality of the service), and the services of any provider in a private setting, where the provider is getting the entire agreed upon fee.  I might add a bit to the fee for a masseur or escort who goes the extra mile, ahem, but I don't feel any need to tip someone who provided service at an agreed price for $180-$300 or more for an hour.

Each situation is different. Every guy is different. 

My impression is:
1. A minority of MF advertisers are therapeutic only.
2. A majority of MF advertisers are OK with MT and provide HE, occasionally more, possibly depending on attraction or on how many sessions you've had together.
3. A minority of MF advertisers, usually indicated by a higher price, are more of an escort than a masseur.
4. Some of #2 and most of #3 are on RM as well as MF.
5. Almost all RM advertisers go beyond therapeutic.
6. Many RM advertisers are more an escort than a masseur.

I never expect a tip, nor fell slighted by a client who does not tip, but always apprecaite when someone does.
I also don't make any up-charges, and so my hope is that guys who like what I offer will offer something extra in return, particularly if they think I went above and beyond what they were expecting.

-STOP trying to finish 5 or 10 mins early. At that point you been at it for 50-55 mins. Just finish the last few minutes. Ending 5 mins or 10 mins early REALLY pisses me (and I imagine most clients) off. I promise you... if you get into the habit of going 5 mins OVER... you'll attract a lot more "regular" clients.
 
-DO NOT TRY TO UPSELL. Had a masseur today shove his fat hard cock in my face (super hot) and say "it's $60 extra if you want to suck it." SO ANNOYING. Work out all that stuff before the massage starts via text or when I show up at your door. Nothing kills a mood quicker than stuff like that. It's rude. Tacky. And insulting.
 
-Once the HE is over don't hustle me outta there. There are some masseurs (Who I'm a regular of) who have learned that after the HE... to continue with the massage for another 5 or 10 mins. It makes things so much more enjoyable. And ensures I will be back.
 
Any other tips you all wanna add?

Like everything in an unregulated industry, it means whatever the provider wants it to mean.  I look more for what they DON'T list in their 'intos' rather than what they do list. 

I usually book 75 to 90 minute massages within $125 to $180 range for a quality massage with some extras. My tips always match the quality of the extras provided.

You're accidently asking escorts, not masseurs. Try the spa section of the forum for an answer or two. The way you're going about it seems pretty normal without needing to be concerned of raising any red flags. Flooding someone with constant questions or getting too detailed of your sexual desires are two major no-nos for both, and a sure fire way to not be seen by anyone.

Yes agree totally! I’m advertised as a masseur because 1) it’s easier to advertise and 2) my clients are more comfortable booking a masseur than an escort. But the service is sex work, I flex what I include in the massage to meet their requirements. So if they want a massage that includes me riding them that’s what they get.
Lazy thinkers, prejudiced and small minded people use labels because it saves them having to actually explore and explain themselves and their responses. If they considered it they might understand that the work involves a lot more than ‘just’ having sex. What the client is buying can include discretion, companionship, counselling, logistics (ever considered the planning that goes into arranging a group session in a hotel?), being available almost 24/7, health expertise, deep understanding of human sexuality and attraction. Then consider the work that goes into advertising, promotion, keeping fit and healthy and sane....
I applaud anyone who is even moderately successful in this industry because it definitely takes effort and skill.

I find the same. I think many times it comes down to the "legality" mindset, unless referring to Adam4 Adam which has defaulted all sex workers as "masseurs". Some guys feel safer browsing for massages. Not to mention, the very word "escort" is not even in existence across many sites description. Which sucks, but it also seems to have bridged the divide.
 
I don't even consider myself an escort or a masseur anymore. I just consider myself someone this expertise happens to be erotic in nature. I feel "escort" is what people outside the biz refer to us as. Then they compare it to the H and P word, which is short sighted considering I'm also knowledged in massage, trip planning, sex counseling, the works! But people's idea of it is so skewed, I rather just drop the labels

Where’s the thread?

Last fall I stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel in mid-town and one night had two escorts to my room. We all went in together coming from dinner and the lobby is so vast and busy around 10pm that we didn’t stand out at all. My two guys were one white, one black and over 40 and 30 years younger than me respectively. We might have drawn attention in a smaller hotel with a quieter lobby. I think if I had had four escorts trailing me in, it wouldn’t have made any difference. Except my room wasn’t large enough to accommodate that sort of gangbang.

I had a wonderful time meeting many great people at the dinner on Saturday and the pool party on Sunday! I have been sad all day that this fabulous vacation is over, but all good things must end as they say, so it's back to reality tomorrow. Thanks again to Oliver for organizing, for the hospitality, and to Epigonos for the delicious array of food and most particularly, those delectable deviled eggs!! Is the weekend always held the second weekend of April? Was wondering on what the 2022 dates will be and forgot to ask before we left. Wanting to get a room booked now for next year.

I can’t speak about debauchery but I had a great time yesterday. It was a pleasure meeting and talking to some of you.

Wayne and I had a great time, as always. It was awesome getting to meet so many new people this year!!
 
We're now living in Palm Springs, so it was nice not having to make the two-hour drive home this morning, but it's still so hard to go back to reality!
 
Thank you all for another wonderful weekend!!
 
Rob

Thanks gentlemen for a fabulous weekend! Had so much fun getting to know everyone and putting faces to names. Hope to connect again sometime soon!