JB_Studio38

Genuine question here.
I just don't get all the posts about hiring a masseur and commenting if he tops, bottoms, suck, etc. Blows my mind that instead of going an escort, you'd rather go for a masseuse hoping it leads to sex.
It's like I wanna have my windows cleaned, but instead of hiring a window cleaner, I hire a guy to mow the grass, hoping he looks up and see me pointing at my window.
 

I think the biggest difference is when you are checking out websites to buy a suitcase you are not ( i am assuming) jerking off and messaging the store to ask about how the suitcase feels, does it like to be put in cabin or the hold, asking them for more pics of it...
 
Which is a playful way for me to say our numbers are going to be harder because there is a (larger than you all think) portion of the client base who is perfectly satisfied by browsing and interaction without ever an intention to purchase than most other products. There really is no comparison, but we make do with the information we have best we can! 

It makes me wonder like, who all is really booking? RentMen has been quieter than ever. I keep the ad up for my reviews and advertising travels: but a recent browse thru my nearest major city area, there’s 50 guys advertising (17x 3 rows on Rent.Men) with the World Cup matches in town. And this is a place that has historically never really been that consistent in terms of bookings. A few years ago, that number was probably only around 10 or less on most days. So how is 500% more escorts doing any favors? It’s a fucking joke 🃏 
 
Across the board: I feel most men browsing for sex aren’t actively seeking the paid sites as much. And in case someone thinks “the more escorts the better for the clients”, well there’s a caveat to that. If there’s dozens of options, would it make it harder to find the right one? If a client can’t keep up with all the options and just wants to contact a bunch and play on the phone, that can easily earn a bad rep down the line. And on a site with multiple options but no rates, how many times are clients having to text around and ask for prices?
And without leaving the topic of prices: I understand some have their budget, but I’m having to turn down some bookings simply because they want something that is only going to break me even or less. Like I stated above, doubling up on clients when it’s already fewer to go around is more speculation than reality. So setting up an in-call session in a city an hour away from me or where hotels are running $100/$200 a night: $200-300 isn’t always going to cover the bases. 
 
And in case there’s any doubt: I’ve done the lower rates, made exceptions, etc: it doesn’t always mean more visits or more regulars. 
Also I want the idea that every advertiser is seeing multiple clients in a day to be understood. That is mostly the reality for masseur guys who tend to welcome higher volume but also have prices that may reel more people in. I personally don’t have the desire to see 4-5-6 dudes in one day, or cum so much that it hurts. Nor do I want to “withhold” cumming every time, because I have more clients to see that day.
I’m been working towards a lower volume, more streamlined experience.

The same way in which people like to prank on escorts: it’s a thrill for them. It’s why some of us who have been in the industry awhile do ample screening, deposits, etc.
 

There’s a nightclub in Nashville that holds “sniffies” nights. I won’t mention the name but, it’s basically you come in with the app turned on and that’s your entry. Lots of half naked dudes walking around, ready to suck n fuck in the back lol.
However, maybe because I’ve “mostly seen it all and done it all”, but I’m just not into it. I don’t like giving myself up freely to random people. It was fun at one point when I was younger but now, idk…just more discerning. Like I can get into all the fun and kinky stuff but: it has to be among people I know or a paid session.
Not to mention, I kinda hate these apps for what they’ve done to the male escort industry especially in smaller cities/rural towns: they have these supposedly sex positive platforms, but don’t even lift a finger in the fight for valid sex work. Adam 4 Adam is the only non escort website that has chartered that territory, but nowadays it’s not the hit site so actual hits and clients seem to be spread out and require lots of travel to make it work. 
 
These apps haven’t done nothing like Craigslist back in the day used to do: open the door to prospective renters in an accessible way. Now you have to talk to like 50-100 people, just to get maybe 1 actual client. 

Some guys are addicted to sex. They want to take as many loads as possible.  It doesn't matter from whom, when, or where. They are generally not present. That's probably why he couldn't get off or remember you. Sex addiction is real! 

Sniffies is good for finding hookups. I'm not sure it's as good for finding escorts or clients. In addition to the word filters and scam accounts, some users are not that serious. One guy messaged me saying he was generous (spelled incorrectly to avoid word filters). A few messages later, he revealed he was unemployed and couldn't spend much. Not sure why he started off by saying he was generous.

I enjoy a nice hotel as I take advantage of the pool, fitness center, bar, restaurant etc.  I frequent a few where they know be by name - they always upgrade me etc.  I like chatting with other guests etc.
If I’ve known someone a while I’ll host at my house, also nice.  I make sure to have a variety of drinks and food available.
I’ve noticed quite a few complaints about extra costs, and how much time the provider spend on and off the clock etc.  I honestly have a lot of luck with being a bit generous.  Hey - feel free to use the hotel amenities, charge the room etc. 
It ends up being mutually beneficial.

On my God. Burn this whole fucking thread down. Please.

If anyone has any personal information on the OP, please share them so we can alert the authorities and put him in jail where he belongs. 

Everyone: This is one side of a story, written by a scumbag who admitted to criminally assaulting someone and attempting to criminally hold him against his will. Anyone defending the OP is showing who they really are. 
Escorts have A LOT more to worry about from clients than clients have to worry about from escorts. That is a fact. And the people of this site are the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to clients, as this thread (and every other thread on this site) proves. 

Actually, it isn’t a one off story. And for the dumb gays that choose to live in an alternate reality rather than play real time cost/benefit in their head, I say you get what you deserve.  

Moderator's Warning: Gentlemen, you know better. Stick to the topic, which in this case is a specific escort who has been accused of theft and assault. Stop the posts about how  groups of people, in this case Black escorts, are more or less prone to commit criminal acts, behave badly, etc. If you want to make comments like that please feel free to do so somewhere else.
We have hidden the offending posts as well as posts that have quoted it. 
 

The originator of the thread (who now deleted the racial comment) said that he now views Black guys differently.
 
To base your evaluations and behavior towards all members of a racial group on your interactions with a one or a few, and to say that you do that without shame, is both disgusting and ignorant.
I will remain vigilant of all who defend such explicit collective bias. 
 
And yes, you probably SHOULD avoid Black providers since you’re so scared.
Dignified providers with pride in their racial identity would find it insulting to be having sex with someone who thinks that they, based on race, are more of a criminal threat

What is to be implied by this statement? To point out what pattern? Be explicit.

One of his reviews:
 

There is one already

https://www.companyofmen.org/clubs/4-escorts-only-club/

You make an accurate point. However, it’s hard to tell whether the “restaurant” is the escort advertising, or the advertising platform itself. I’m leaning on the fact that it’s moreso the advertising platforms themselves that go out of fashion, versus the individual escort (as we’ve seen over the years with Men4rent, Backpage, HourBoy, Rentboy, Adam4Adam, etc ).
I recently spent 2 weeks in a city going to the bars almost every other night. I can definitely say I haven’t lost my edge, considering all the compliments and phone numbers I was getting. But the issue is; the sex work game online is very different these days. It’s ultra packed, everybody and their brother is trying to be a content creator. And I can almost imagine certain Rent Men ads are just trying to drive content sales versus being escorts.
 
But you do. You do need to know. Because so many clients contacting from RM (and you guys here on the forum) make assumptions about what I’m doing, what city I’m in, how many clients I’m seeing, what time of day I’m cumming, cross examining why I need more than 1 hours notice to meet etc etc.
So if anyone is going to assume, it’s probably a good idea to first understand what’s actually going on. And unfortunately, the RentMen platform does bare minimum to direct clients on how to make plans with an escort in a way that’s conducive and not counterproductive. Therein lies my job, which I try to convey on the 350 characters allowed in my auto reply/my website/my text introductory message: which apparently some guys seem to “ignore and move on”, thus remaining IGNORant. 
 
 
You really think all this can be accurately solved in 2 sentences 😂 You can always read other material if this is too advanced level for you. Here’s the door  🥾 🚪 
 

Well said 👏🏽 
And it’s about more than venting. Like I said above, these things aren’t being facilitated on our ads. The stuff I talk about here, I can’t have in a discussion with a client. I’m not embarrassed or shamed to talk about it here. It’s a forum, with clients and escorts participating. We should all be adult and mature enough to talk about it without feeling dismissed or put down.
And yes, I understand it can be long winded and not sexy to talk about sometimes but: that’s the reality. People want to act like everything is peachy creamy, and it is at times BUT, it’s currently not.
I just got back from a 2 week trip, meaning away from home. I only had 2 clients and 2 “promotionals” (I say because I accepted 2 offers from folks on a hookup app, but it was not my actual rate. But, it was preferable to meeting for free).
 
However, 2 clients in 2 weeks is completely unacceptable. Meanwhile, I was sifting thru inquiry after inquiry on the RentMen messenger, texts from MoFos who stopped replying or flaked out, people offering impossible rates (like $100).
It’s a mess out here in many cities. That’s why now, I don’t go anywhere without confirmed bookings. And like I told @Colton, people do need to understand that if I don’t advertise ahead of arriving to a city, I am not willing to take the risk to just “show up”. People see my ad in a city the moment I move it there, and think “oh you’re here now?” I’ve traveled all over the country (US) and know from experience it’s never wise to go to a city with no planning, and hoping for clients to show up. Because it’s too many other escorts in the industry these days, and most clients have no idea about pricing.
And closing of Craigslist back in 2010, there used to be an understanding that sites like Rentboy and Men4Rent had more upscale priced providers. Now, it seems anybody and everybody is on it and half the time they have no idea that $150/$200 doesn’t work for every appointment 16 years later. 

Mental Illness is assuming others care about your whims and needs. Or youR attitudes or views. I personally don’t care how long a post is. I’m not affected. Thus the question is why people who are strangers be bound to adhere to whatever subjective whim or expectation you hold. 

I stick to smaller gyms and tend to go during off peak hours. I went today, around 7:30 and there was maybe 5 of us there. I could have did a strenuous workout, but I didn’t want to stay too late as I had to commute home.
It could be your city, but I doubt the “whole world” wants to be fit. In the Midwest and South there’s still a lot of obesity. Also, not to put down or generalize: but I do notice fewer gay black men and gays in general, are going to the gym in some areas. It makes me cringe when I go to the gym, and it’s only the hetero-flexible guys hanging with their bros. I go on the apps, and all the gay guys are 5,000 feet from the gym 😑 
I would love to bulk up more, but I’m also aware that some of these guys out there are using 💉 to get there. No shade if that’s the case but, that doesn’t work for everybody. Even just naturally working out with legal GNC/Walmart/Vitamin supplements, I’ve outgrown some really nice shirts that I used to love wearing but they look too small on me now. I’ve also ripped a few pair of jeans and shorts 😂 
I also like to admire a nice body, however I find too many gym warriors be hella conceited and narcissistic. Like, it’s all about them (not saying everybody is but, across the board they can be. Or they’re only loyal with people who are in their party/druggie circle). Sometimes I rather just go for a guy who’s not in the gym as much, but I do want to have someone who is fitness conscious to some degree.
 

When I was in my 20s/30s during and after the Great Recession, I learned my best pickup line was, "I have my own place, and I can host".  I considered myself average looking at best, but the fact that I was one of the few in my age bracket that wasn't living at home with parents made me a unique prospect that helped seal the deal.  Most of the guys I hooked up with then were living at home with their parents and just needed a private place to bust, and I was happy to accommodate!

There’s WhatsApp and Telegram groups that I’m in which are provider only (and venting does happen in there!!!) plus I’m friends with other sex workers and we talk about common challenges. Sometimes though one wants to speak to a wider audience, especially an audience that is interested in the work and that buys the services. 

I stick to smaller gyms and tend to go during off peak hours. I went today, around 7:30 and there was maybe 5 of us there. I could have did a strenuous workout, but I didn’t want to stay too late as I had to commute home.
It could be your city, but I doubt the “whole world” wants to be fit. In the Midwest and South there’s still a lot of obesity. Also, not to put down or generalize: but I do notice fewer gay black men and gays in general, are going to the gym in some areas. It makes me cringe when I go to the gym, and it’s only the hetero-flexible guys hanging with their bros. I go on the apps, and all the gay guys are 5,000 feet from the gym 😑 
I would love to bulk up more, but I’m also aware that some of these guys out there are using 💉 to get there. No shade if that’s the case but, that doesn’t work for everybody. Even just naturally working out with legal GNC/Walmart/Vitamin supplements, I’ve outgrown some really nice shirts that I used to love wearing but they look too small on me now. I’ve also ripped a few pair of jeans and shorts 😂 
I also like to admire a nice body, however I find too many gym warriors be hella conceited and narcissistic. Like, it’s all about them (not saying everybody is but, across the board they can be. Or they’re only loyal with people who are in their party/druggie circle). Sometimes I rather just go for a guy who’s not in the gym as much, but I do want to have someone who is fitness conscious to some degree.
 

You make an accurate point. However, it’s hard to tell whether the “restaurant” is the escort advertising, or the advertising platform itself. I’m leaning on the fact that it’s moreso the advertising platforms themselves that go out of fashion, versus the individual escort (as we’ve seen over the years with Men4rent, Backpage, HourBoy, Rentboy, Adam4Adam, etc ).
I recently spent 2 weeks in a city going to the bars almost every other night. I can definitely say I haven’t lost my edge, considering all the compliments and phone numbers I was getting. But the issue is; the sex work game online is very different these days. It’s ultra packed, everybody and their brother is trying to be a content creator. And I can almost imagine certain Rent Men ads are just trying to drive content sales versus being escorts.
 
But you do. You do need to know. Because so many clients contacting from RM (and you guys here on the forum) make assumptions about what I’m doing, what city I’m in, how many clients I’m seeing, what time of day I’m cumming, cross examining why I need more than 1 hours notice to meet etc etc.
So if anyone is going to assume, it’s probably a good idea to first understand what’s actually going on. And unfortunately, the RentMen platform does bare minimum to direct clients on how to make plans with an escort in a way that’s conducive and not counterproductive. Therein lies my job, which I try to convey on the 350 characters allowed in my auto reply/my website/my text introductory message: which apparently some guys seem to “ignore and move on”, thus remaining IGNORant. 
 
 
You really think all this can be accurately solved in 2 sentences 😂 You can always read other material if this is too advanced level for you. Here’s the door  🥾 🚪 
 

Well said 👏🏽 
And it’s about more than venting. Like I said above, these things aren’t being facilitated on our ads. The stuff I talk about here, I can’t have in a discussion with a client. I’m not embarrassed or shamed to talk about it here. It’s a forum, with clients and escorts participating. We should all be adult and mature enough to talk about it without feeling dismissed or put down.
And yes, I understand it can be long winded and not sexy to talk about sometimes but: that’s the reality. People want to act like everything is peachy creamy, and it is at times BUT, it’s currently not.
I just got back from a 2 week trip, meaning away from home. I only had 2 clients and 2 “promotionals” (I say because I accepted 2 offers from folks on a hookup app, but it was not my actual rate. But, it was preferable to meeting for free).
 
However, 2 clients in 2 weeks is completely unacceptable. Meanwhile, I was sifting thru inquiry after inquiry on the RentMen messenger, texts from MoFos who stopped replying or flaked out, people offering impossible rates (like $100).
It’s a mess out here in many cities. That’s why now, I don’t go anywhere without confirmed bookings. And like I told @Colton, people do need to understand that if I don’t advertise ahead of arriving to a city, I am not willing to take the risk to just “show up”. People see my ad in a city the moment I move it there, and think “oh you’re here now?” I’ve traveled all over the country (US) and know from experience it’s never wise to go to a city with no planning, and hoping for clients to show up. Because it’s too many other escorts in the industry these days, and most clients have no idea about pricing.
And closing of Craigslist back in 2010, there used to be an understanding that sites like Rentboy and Men4Rent had more upscale priced providers. Now, it seems anybody and everybody is on it and half the time they have no idea that $150/$200 doesn’t work for every appointment 16 years later. 

I stick to smaller gyms and tend to go during off peak hours. I went today, around 7:30 and there was maybe 5 of us there. I could have did a strenuous workout, but I didn’t want to stay too late as I had to commute home.
It could be your city, but I doubt the “whole world” wants to be fit. In the Midwest and South there’s still a lot of obesity. Also, not to put down or generalize: but I do notice fewer gay black men and gays in general, are going to the gym in some areas. It makes me cringe when I go to the gym, and it’s only the hetero-flexible guys hanging with their bros. I go on the apps, and all the gay guys are 5,000 feet from the gym 😑 
I would love to bulk up more, but I’m also aware that some of these guys out there are using 💉 to get there. No shade if that’s the case but, that doesn’t work for everybody. Even just naturally working out with legal GNC/Walmart/Vitamin supplements, I’ve outgrown some really nice shirts that I used to love wearing but they look too small on me now. I’ve also ripped a few pair of jeans and shorts 😂 
I also like to admire a nice body, however I find too many gym warriors be hella conceited and narcissistic. Like, it’s all about them (not saying everybody is but, across the board they can be. Or they’re only loyal with people who are in their party/druggie circle). Sometimes I rather just go for a guy who’s not in the gym as much, but I do want to have someone who is fitness conscious to some degree.
 

I stick to smaller gyms and tend to go during off peak hours. I went today, around 7:30 and there was maybe 5 of us there. I could have did a strenuous workout, but I didn’t want to stay too late as I had to commute home.
It could be your city, but I doubt the “whole world” wants to be fit. In the Midwest and South there’s still a lot of obesity. Also, not to put down or generalize: but I do notice fewer gay black men and gays in general, are going to the gym in some areas. It makes me cringe when I go to the gym, and it’s only the hetero-flexible guys hanging with their bros. I go on the apps, and all the gay guys are 5,000 feet from the gym 😑 
I would love to bulk up more, but I’m also aware that some of these guys out there are using 💉 to get there. No shade if that’s the case but, that doesn’t work for everybody. Even just naturally working out with legal GNC/Walmart/Vitamin supplements, I’ve outgrown some really nice shirts that I used to love wearing but they look too small on me now. I’ve also ripped a few pair of jeans and shorts 😂 
I also like to admire a nice body, however I find too many gym warriors be hella conceited and narcissistic. Like, it’s all about them (not saying everybody is but, across the board they can be. Or they’re only loyal with people who are in their party/druggie circle). Sometimes I rather just go for a guy who’s not in the gym as much, but I do want to have someone who is fitness conscious to some degree.