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Actually, it’s a great way to do business, especially in this terrible pandemic/social unrest/presidential jitters time. At this point I’ve already had 3 confirmed with deposits over the past couple days. There was also a previous client who didn’t bother to reply back, which saved me time in the long run. It let me know he’s not worth taking seriously to book an appointment...because even previous clients can and will stand us up. It’s not just about them “asking questions”. It’s more involved than that. My decision is based on cumulative things that have occurred. As I said in another thread. When I look at my phone and see a DOZEN texts in a week, and only have 1 or 2 appointments to show for it...sometimes 0, that equates to minute after minute after minute, which adds up to hours out of my day to day life: that I could be doing other things with. So, the only way to fix it is to make sure they have payment from the start. Not, 100 text messages later. Or, 14 days after their initial text when they asked if I was available, then stopped responding, only to ask me again like it never happened. With everything that’s going on, people are using us as time killers. As for questions, that’s what my auto texts are for. That’s what I spend $79.99 a month for. Why am I spending $79.99 a month for an ad that has pics, videos and stats; only to need to ask MORE QUESTIONS???? Plus more combining the other ads. It comes complete with everything they need to know. Once they pay me the initial deposit for the session, then we can carry on more questions. So far the only time it’s not worked for me, is when I’ve forgotten to ask for it, or let it slide like I did earlier this week: and went on an outcall to someone who’s been contacting me since JANUARY, only to get there and be stood up. So, yeah I’m just not playing these games with people no more. I’ve been burnt over, and over, and over. And now I’ve written in all my ads across the board, that they must make a deposit to book me. So nobody can fake like they didn’t know. If someone says they don’t want to do it, oh well. I’m choosing to operate how I wish to operate. I don’t want to take every appointment request I get, and try to coddle them into booking...or just randomly get crumbs and pieces of “interest” here and there from people who never want to commit and book. I also told people don’t call me, I won’t answer. Because I’ve wasted too much time with phone chat too. I had a discussion with a client today. He told me how he got stood up on a call out before. I sympathized, but I told him: the difference between a client getting stood up and the provider: we’re doing this everyday. Imagine the “chance” of getting stood up multiple times a week, over a period of years. Eventually, a person is going to come to their senses and maybe...? make sure they aren’t JUST getting deposits, but making sure people don’t bullshit them into thinking they’re even going to get an appointment.

My biggest wary would be if someone has a disagreement with RM, and then gets banned. Or if RentMen powers it be, just decide to cancel someone. However, I’ve seen some guys create all new ads periodically, which may allude to the idea that getting true banned from RentMen may not be certain. That said, I feel there’s an upside and downside to it. The downsides you mentioned, but the plus sides is, there’s not dozens of sites to choose from and look around on client’s end. And it also doesn’t become a rat race for us trying to keep up with all the monthly payments. I know with men4rent and rentboy, it was an extra bill I didn’t need. The same clients would often see me on more than 1 site anyway. I think long RentMen plays their cards right and don’t make the same mistakes, it’ll stay afloat. I don’t like the other site’s referring to escorts as “boys” because it sounds like guys down on their luck or looking for sugar daddies. RentMen and RentMasseur sound more mature. I would STILL like to see apps like Grindr start allowing paid escort ads: It would rival RentMen’s hold in the industry. Of course, there’s plenty of guys already using Grindr for services, I can’t be bothered. I like adam4adam because I can freely list my ad and make it known I’m for biz.

I was talking with a client buddy of mine today about that. How some providers aren’t bothered by some client’s nerve grating behaviors. In my case, I’m just quite non-tolerant lol. Idk if it’s just early signs of burnout or what. I never have any issues with clients in person, even if we are different. But the passive aggressive and irritating texts just gets me. I been finding myself more often just making clients feel real dumb over the phone lol. Like one guy the other day, calls me despite saying I don’t answer phone calls until client is verified by text first. Then he says he was just calling to find out if I’m ever in his city, which is the exact city I was getting ready to leave, and been living on/off for the past year and a half. Then he says he shoulda called me earlier. Basically just being a total mind fuck. I said, “You didn’t read my ad? Oh you did read my ad, but you thought you’d do the opposite of what I posted, just to annoy me? So basically you intentionally wasting my time then?” Then they get all flustered and don’t want to book me. Oh well, bye ?? bro But like you said, after while it does get to be petty and pointless. But that’s also why I’ve 100% reverted to deposits. I don’t have time for all the back and forth and flirty courtship. People have become so far removed from the fact that escorts aren’t Grindr profile. Back in the day of agencies, you never spoke to the escort until he showed up to the door. And they got 1 faceless picture in a newspaper ad, of a guy who wasn’t the one who was showing up. If they did it back then, I can do it now. Guys now are spoiled with an abundance of info on us, but still find a way to make us feel like it’s not enough. They can choose an escort with 40 pics, nude, reviews, and videos and interviews and STILL, find a way to extract time out of our day, without pay. That’s not right. The appointment starts, when the conversation starts.

the issue with those sites is that they lift ads from actual “paid” sites, and use it as their own. I used to get annoyed when people said they seen me in friendlyboy.pro. I’m like, I don’t have an ad on friendly pro, wtf you talking about? But then I’d go to the site and see it ? Rentmen started off by giving free memberships and had a killer $19.99 for Gold placement (or maybe it was $29.99). I used to hate getting emails from the site in its early days, they would often be flakes and cancels. But times have changed, and RentMen is the Orca ?

1. I was more referring to the context that Aaron was referring to. He was saying the client cancelled because he didn't get info that other escorts would give him. Again I don't know what info he was looking for, but yes... I woulda wanted to be reimbursed for time spent planning the appointment. 2. The book ? says: And that’s not being funny or kidding or using scriptures to justify anything. But in actuality, most clients don’t think twice about it in the long run unless we do ask.

That's rather common. There's a lot of callers out there who don't really treat it as if they like fact of hiring. Almost as if its a chore or shopping. They have to do it, but don't really want to do it. I ain't got time for that. But on the other hand, re: escorts despising clients: I noticed I got a lot of ? to one of my posts. And that's perfectly fine. I don't expect everyone to share my views of doing things. But that's what makes the biz so great: we're not working FOR rentmen. We're not employed by rentmen, clients aren't employing us. The message forum, and daddy's reviews (no disrespect intended) is not employing us. At the end of the day, it's up to us to choose how we deal with and prevent bad clients. And that goes beyond the physical, and may start even before the first message.

You seem quite high tolerance. Can you allude to what info did he request that wasn't provided, that would have him cancel the session? But see, that's why I've decided to go the deposit route. I don't have time or patience for client's hissy fits where they don't hear exactly the answer they want (e.g. something like a room number before actually arriving to hotel). I hope he sent you a cancellation fee. To me, it can go either way: either the client can back out and leave me empty handed because of something they don't like. Or I can ask for reimbursement of my expected earning because of something they didn't like. I also don't particularly like when people "wish me" a good day after they've given me the kiss off and stood me up. It's passive aggressive and rubs me wrong. I've had to correct a couple of clients over time: you know you don't mean it, so don't fucking say it. If you really want me to enjoy my weekend or enjoy "the city", give me $500. But just sending me a cheap 1 cent text message wishing me success, is certainly going to come off ingenuine.

Some even write and spell like teenagers too lol. Do they think because my ethnicity, that they have to speak to me in bad grammar so I can understand?

Well that's the thing: I HAVE BEEN picking up new clients where I've required a deposit. I just said in another post, that most all my recent appointments have been clients who've paid deposits. I no longer feel compelled to do it any other way going forward. I don't care who doesn't take deposits. But there's plenty who do. Just over the last 7 days, I've had 4 "appointment requests" fall thru, along with several other texts from clients in my rotation city who haven't gotten around to meeting. Guess how many appointments I had out of all that? 1. 1 appointment last week. And I was sent a deposit. Fortunately it was a 2 hour, but regardless. I don't see any further need to sell and extend myself to every guy who contacts me anymore. One last week texts and tells me he'll "call someone else" because he has to work in the evening, since I couldn't come "right away". Not like he dared to contact with any advance notice. So yeah, maybe they should call someone else, who is willing to deal with their bullshit. Everything they need to know is right in the ad. What else could they possibly need to know? When you take a few texts a day from clients inquiring and then saying, "i can't make it work today/this week after all", and add it up in the long run, that's hours and days working and not being paid for it. I refuse to be played like a fool much longer.

Oh well, too bad. I rather sacrifice a bundle of serious clients, than to keep dealing with a basket ? of deplorables lol. I finally concluded today I don’t want to deal with anymore “prospects” without a deposit. Going to an outcall building today and being stood up feels so juvenile and foolish. And the idiot was texting my booking assistant with some lame excuse, after he’s been pestering me for the past 6 months about meeting. Most of my serious clients this year have provided deposits already. I’m just done. I’m not getting paid enough to constantly have my time wasted day in, day out, interrupting my day to day duties and hobbies. I don’t care if people don’t like how I do it. I’m going to do it how I want them to do it. If it bothers them, too bad. I also don’t want to wait to “confirm” an appointment either. I’ve done that already. Idiots still find a way to bullshit even before ever getting to confirm. I don’t even want to answer my phone without being paid. I told RentMen and RentMassseur before, make people pay us $10 to get our number. They don’t want to do it. So now I have to handle it myself.

lol, right. They “think” they’re anonymous. Then I show them otherwise. And if they try to burner number me, I’ve been known to ask: “Why are you contacting me from a burner number??? I can’t book you without either a regular number or a deposit upfront. Goodbye." This isn't 1998 lol. If you want to be anonymous, don't walk out the door lol. Everyone will take a picture of you

Yeah It got out of hand with some sites. No site should be charging that much regardless. They shouldn’t be able to become rich off of our earnings, especially considering rates vary across the board. They also had too many tiers: basic, gold and platinum But on second thought Platinum isn’t too bad and I think RentMen could stand to offer a platinum listing for $100 a month, versus $12-24 per 12-24 hours. I wasn’t asking for pity though. Don’t feel bad for me, I renewed my ads again this month, and didn’t flinch a bit. However, I will continue to make sure any further inquiries I do get, will pay deposit. I’m not going to be paying these sites, only to have idiots waste my fucking time. And I don’t care abour your experiences. YOU DID NOT PAY FOR AN AD. PERIOD. So therefore, if an escort stands you up, you didn’t pay for a goddamn thing. The point of this thread was about paying these sites to post, and then having people waste our time for a week or 2 AFTER the ad has been paid for. You, and everybody else would be mad, bitching and complaining too if you paid a deposit to an escort $79.99, and $39.99 for masseur plus $30 for a guy off adam: and they FUCKED you over by no showing: and then it happened 2-3 times in a row. Yet, we’re expected to fucking deal with this shit and not say a goddamn thing? I don’t think so ?

Paypal ??‍?‍??(can send cash via barcode anonymous at cvs, Walgreens, etc.) cash app ? venmo ? passenger pigeon ? moneygram ? western union ? I don’t care how. Fact is, I won’t be dealing with anymore appointments in 2020 and beyond without a deposit. PERIOD. I’m already putting this as part of my ad rules. No more exceptions. Too much time wasted on idiots to not do it at this point. Just like stores are successfully getting people to wear masks, and pay with credit or debit, I should be able to successfully get them to pay a deposit. If not, DENIED SERVICE. Fixed it for you ?

Oh you mean like today’s stand up outcall where the bastard wouldn’t answer the phone when I arrived, and failed to give specific info as instructed, and I went anyway trusting he was a halfway decent person? That said, I’ve made the decision going forward to only converse and book clients who are able and willing to send a deposit. Matter of fact, everything is going to be auto-reply, and no other conversation until deposit is sent. I’ve already outlined this from the start in all ads, and first message a client will get is to confirm they read it...so they can’t play dumb and act like they didn’t read it. I tried to be lenient and chat to people, not be so harsh, but these pandemical times we are living in is requiring EXTREME measures. The bullshit ends TODAY. I thought people were becoming more understanding during these times, but they are just becoming dumb and dumber. Which means I have to also get numb and number. I don’t even want anyone starting a conversation without a deposit going forward. Point blank, period. If they can’t do it or don’t like it, next!

Well we all have to recall: back in days of rentboy and men4rent...RentMen was a quirky site to begin with. The little devil icon and spinoff of rentBOY seemed kinda odd. But they did a good thing by changing BOY to MEN. That alone gave them a stepping stone into the marketplace.

BUT...let's not assume those are the only types who hire. I was with a client the other day, and while we were cuddling in bed, I confessed: "you would normally definitely be my type" lol. Definitely a win of sorts, but just goes to show. At the same time, I wouldn't want a guy to feel like, "damm, if I'm your type, why am I paying you, shouldn't we be fucking for free then?" There's obviously different things going into play in such circumstances. With free hookups, I really only do what's convenient, considering those guys really don't go much out of their way for me. For client arrangements, I generally try to be a bit more accommodating.

I've recently re-did my ads to include 3 ABC's of booking me. It's very simple yet very specific about everything that needs mentioning lately (and for a minute, the calls and requests were being normal until they said it's safe to go out again ? A: advanced notice (even if it says available now, which needs to be changed to available today) B: be serious C: be considerate I know it sounds demanding. And I kinda miss the simpler days of not having to give instructions, by just throwing an ad up on gay.com and being available "now" or whenever the wind would blow...I just can't operate like that nowadays. I think the issue is, these guys need direction. Anyone can just slap up an ad, put up a phone number and anyone who sees it can text or call. I know Rentmen has features like not showing number for non members or registered users, but I know there still a segment who won't sign up. The super discrete types. So my whole goal is to train readers/users to recognize that if you're going to meet me, or even if you're not...get on my wavelength and read what I have up say before tapping into my line. Otherwise, they're going to come wrong, words going to get exchanged, and it's going to compromise the chance for something to happen.

So moral of the story is: who’s going to make the first move? Lol. This goes beyond escorting, and into personal life. Similar to game at a bar or bathhouse. Do you approach the guy who looks at you, or wait til he comes up to you? I have had some amazing meets with guys who looked at me, but didn’t make the first move. In fact, in “real life” pickups...the guy who looks at you in a certain way, is the guy who you should make the first move on lol. A lot of guys are either shy, or don’t like rejection. So occasionally I’ll put myself on the line and approach. At the same time, most of my encounters happen when people contact me first. I have an issue where I meet guys in public, they seem soooo talkative and like there’s a vibe going, and turns out, they have a girlfriend ? If a guy doesn’t look at you, just keep it moving...

I refer to the ones who make contact, usually asking about an appointment on the same day. I return the message, include details, and then get no response. I had a prospective client who has done the same thing, 2 or 3 other times. First contact was in January, second was in May, and then again yesterday (June). Each time, his first message would be, “Hi this is (name) in (insert city), I’m wondering if you are available for an appointment this afternoon”. I would then respond, give my info and find out how we can arrange. He would reply back once or twice, and then nothing. On the 2nd time, I thanked him for reaching out...but explained that I recall he previously reached out to me back in January, and didn’t follow up. I also said I don’t host (because they always want me to host) short notice appointments when in town, and that I need advance notice. He explains why he couldn’t reply back (and it wasn’t a good excuse at that), but then once again didn’t respond when trying to arrange over a course of a couple days. That was back in May. Then come yesterday, he hits me up again, saying we tried to meet before...but if I can meet last minute. So I once again tell him the same thing that I told him in May, about me needing advanced notice. I mentioned I could meet soon if he hosted, but I would need more time to go over to the location where I host. Sure enough, I got no response. So at this point, he’s flushed toilet paper to me. Reached out later that evening, and told him he needs to reimburse me for this last “false start” he keeps doing. His excuse? He didn’t actually set up an appointment. But does it matter? He’s contacted me 3 times over the course of 6 months, and bailed on each. That comes off to me, like he really doesn’t value or care much about connecting. As a client and/or provider (since it seems this goes on both sides of the fence), how many chances do you allow for people who initiate an engagement, but then just bail out after the first or 2nd text?

Meh, I’d have to differ on this one. What’s creepy about sending a response to someone else’s Profile online? It’s not as if they sent a personal letter in the mail complete with a photo...as many insurance and retail companies do when you request a quote lol. As far as me: I do it “sometimes”. If they have a client profile picture posted, I’m more inclined to do so. And those can often turn into appointments. Usually if I need to expand or I just have extra time on my hands At the same time, as @Kevin Slater said, sometimes I rather let them reach out to me. Not to mention, we get dozens of people looking at our profile per day, and it just reminds me too much of the 9 to 5 job I used to have where I’d have to call “leads” all day long. I just don’t have the capacity or staff on hand to do that all day, everyday.

“One, you’re like a dream come true Two, just want to be with you, Three, boy it’s plain to see, that you’re the only one for me...

And I 100% acknowledge that. I understand it. That's why I also don't have any in person escort friends either. Palm Springs weekend is like the 1 time per every 2 years, that I get to connect with other providers, that doesn't involved a 3, 4 or 5 way with a client lol. I've dealt with 4 escorts in Kansas City already, and all 4 have been frauds (not frauds in the sense of the word, but fraud in the urban dictionary term) lol. And that's probably why these clients are frauds, because the providers are frauds. It didn't use to be this way when I first visited Kansas City in 2010. But at the end of the day, that's them choosing to lose money. When clients bail on us, that's cheating us out of an expected earning

Well that's why I have asked Rentmen to do their part as well. If deposits are going to become too much to ask of, then we need some other way to have an idea to know whether a client is going to be invested in us. Like I say, maybe get rid of client "memberships" that only put more money in their account, and instead have clients purchase their communications with us. And put the money into our bank account or Rentmen account to use towards things like platinum boost

That's a good point. There's also the others who perhaps don't advertise and prefer more of a networking approach to marketing. Unfortunately I don't live in a large enough market to go that route. And since majority of my clients are generally new or the occasional regular, I tend to like keeping my visibility going. Here's my thing: I wouldn't be as phased, except the fact that Rentmen ads have gone from 39 gold to 79 for gold. Yeah, it's a measly $40, but factor in platinum boosts (which I've stopped doing since the turn of the pandemic), it's really more expense. So to be paying more now than what I was 2 or 3 years ago, I definitely expect better. I've also told them, let us post reviews internally on the site, so other providers can post and make a decision as to whether they see a particular user who may have "done the rounds", in standing up other providers. Because I 100% highly doubt, they're only doing it to 1 or just me. Also: the DIFFERENCE with the t-shirt thing is: those employees are getting paid to be there, regardless if the window shopper buys or not. That's also why I don't do concession stands, telemarketing, or phone sales jobs. I signed up for this because for the most part, you don't necessarily have to be a good sales person and make commission, so to speak. We sell by default with our pics, ad wording, and services. That's already ALOT of work to begin with. Don't make me do MORE work for FREE, and then not pay me. That's shiesty. I try to get people to look at us not like a storefront. Even though you can happily walk into a grocery store and walk out buying nothing, at the end of the day their operations are still going and customers are coming and going in larger volumes. They also have multiple staff on hand to do other duties. We, on the other hand: are usually 1 man, doing many small, but complex tasks. The sex is usually the fun part. When someone contacts for an appointment, they should do so having already invested in making a connection, after confirming the basic essentials. Now, if after agreeing to the basic essentials they wafer and waffle about, bail/no show/stop responding...they have left window shopping status, and stepped into timewaster category.

I've found even having something like a $10 deposit helps, if it's just for short hourly session. Again, even if someone has been ripped off before by sending a deposit, they also may only deal with that once in a blue, whereas we tend to take on requests several times throughout the week. My question: what would you suggest to be an alternative? Especially if say: the escort only books by advanced or notice appointment only (versus the, are you available now brigade), and each time a client doesn't keep an arrangement, various levels of inconveniences can occur? There's really nothing to argue about. If a client chooses to contact a particular provider, they have to be willing to yield to the protocols and order they have established. They wouldn't go walk up in a business and tell them what to do? It's like auto mechanic shops: many charge a diagnostic fee, many don't. You can't moan at BMW to not charge a diagnostic fee, just because the other shop down the street doesn't. At the end of the day, it's our business. I don't like when someone contacts me, and tells me how to run things. The problem is, these people have control issues. And some have the audacity to call shots when they've not even contributed anything.