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Ah, ya. As they have been for the past 2,000,000,000 years. (it is the oldest profession, right? ?). That said, it’s hard to tell. Again, I won’t “mask” the fact that on an overall level, biz is still down. But I don’t feel Corona is “our” biggest nemesis right now. We’ve still got hookup apps, and lack of decriminalization. The other day, someone didn’t ask if I was tested for Corona, they asked if I was affiliated with any LE. He was new, and it was a sleepy midwestern church town, but still...it goes to show. Corona can come and go, and we’ve still got bigger fish ? to fry ? You’re definitely onto something. And I agree 100%. However I caution those going mask-less out of reason that it is something “simply to hurt Trump”. At the same time, a client of mine said something similar the other day...saying after Elections are done, the virus will no longer be headlines. So, it likely does have a political backing to it. Before Trump came along, I (and many other young Americans) used to be a person who simply wasn’t into “politics“. They say Corona isn’t political, it’s a virus. But I’ve been getting Corona-like symptoms most of my adult life. Having asthma too. I cringe when usually once or twice a year, I come down with something that takes a good 2 weeks to fully clear out of my system. I’m actually appreciative of the mask mandates simply because I’ve found myself not getting colds and sore throats as often lately. But at the end of the day, it’s still “news”, and news is clinically proven to cause stress and depression. And everything from the protests to the virus to the strange public executions carried out by law enforcement for seemingly innocuous reasons, has me scratching my head. Do we really know what’s going on? And of course, 1 story gets drowned out by another.

That’s true. But it’s also a stark reminder as to why it’s important to take care early on. In this guy’s case, I think he might have took on an approach of avoiding any major cosmetic work because it (in his words) doesn’t bother him. So it wasn’t just a money issue, it was a “this is how I am” issue. Which I get it 100%. Accept people for who they are. BUT... some people could benefit from having an honest person in their circle. Then again, some people just don’t give a fuck and there’s nothing much that can be done. You either want to make yourself look better, or you don’t. He can’t tell me he looks in the mirror everyday and thinks: “I’m doing my best to be attractive to my sexual partners“. So then, what can one expect? If he not trying to keep up on his appearance, or wants to know what can be done to make himself more appealing, then I’m not obligated to look past things that are just plain unhygienic. And it’s not an age thing. There’s guys in their 60s and 70s who may not be beauty pageant models, but you can tell they are in tune to their looks. Think Joe Biden versus Donald Trump. You can tell Biden tries to make sure he’s looking silver daddy status daily ?

I actually forgot about this thread, pardon if it seemed I was not vested in the replies. Well, here goes: Well, I’ll say $200-$300 for an hour every once in awhile isn’t quite in the same boat as $30,000 for implants and/or whatever dental plan is lol. Well, I agree but likewise beg to differ. Just because I can “look past” something doesn’t mean “I should think it, but shouldn’t say anything”. Again, what kind of person would I be to notice something about someone which could be detrimental to their health and presentation, and not atleast ask if the person has considered it or even aware of it? But since you asked: ever since this topic, he confided in me that he has made some recent dental visits. One was such that involved getting some simple but relatively major procedure done. However it was more routine than cosmetic. So it doesn’t address the image part at all. I also want to clear you up: we are NOT boyfriends. Let’s just get that straight. I’m not playing boyfriend. If anything we are 2 men who happen to know each other, who have an occasional sexual encounter, and he gives me hand financially at times, BUT he is also not my sugar daddy because I make my own money and pay my own bills. Not fuck buddies, not boyfriend. Only defined as stated previously. Some interactions just don’t always have a label attached. And this is something we’ve discussed in person as well. I understand some like the type company regardless. I do however know of a former/once in a blue moon client I meet who has regular sessions with an escort to a point that they’ve become “boyfriends” in some ways, taking care of each other’s cats and gardens. The escort is mid 40s but fairly hot, and mixed race. My client friend is in 60s and isn’t “ugly”, but isn’t a beauty queen either by any stretch. Hate to sound gossipy by bringing that up, but it’s just an example. There are guys out there who have clients as unofficial “boyfriends” and it just works. In my case, I like to keep my options open to guys my age and younger simply because, I spent a lot of my 20s dating older men...and taking it too seriously only to realize they were just enjoying feeling like they had their “groove” back.

Everyone works differently I suppose. I know personally I wouldn’t be able to handle that much volume without skipping meals or being glued to the hotel or home. But I think it may come down to rates and how someone wants to manage their time. I just know I realistically have never taken more than 3 clients in a day...but if someone can, kudos to them! the hardest part I find about even taking more than 1 or 2 clients a day, is oftentimes guys will want to schedule the same time within a day. The other day I had 2 guys offering me 300, but I could only take one. I took the one who was hosting because he was a previous client, and I didn’t have an incall location set up that day. But I scheduled the other client for next day and he confirmed with deposit, but he had to cancel. I’ve also had people book close to where there was only 30 min in between clients. Which I really try not to do because it’s either don’t cum, or plan to cum twice within a 2 hour period...which is doable, especially since the 2nd load tends to be the one that goes clear over their head ?

true, and at the end of the day it would probably matter “what” is being gossiped or discussed about. I often read reviews where customers almost annihilate a business. And then someone representing the company will come along and Try and make sense of it. Which I think is professional, sensible thing to do However I know this thread seems to refer more to average gossip, but I can’t tell what context the OP is referring to. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being in the know about something that may be embarrassing or untrue about someone, and atleast give the opportunity to address it. In a former life, I would occasionally type in search my name on here just to make sure rumors weren’t going around. Most of it was same stuff that I readily shared myself anyway lol. Some people assume just because a member is “not active”, means that they can’t read.

You're right and I agree 100%. Which is what I've done today. Seen a hotel in my portfolio of choices that noted charging a $150 incidental. Ended getting one that didn't at all. I really wasn't trying to make this into an argument. I thought it would just be informative for anyone traveling and needing to factor in this is their budget. I know for me going forward, I'm just going to use my credit card that I don't use very often, and just reserve it only for hotel hold...since the credit card I had doesn't really offer tons of perks to make it for everyday use. Problem resolved. Thanks everyone for the input though

Not sure where that assumption comes from. It's nothing to do with platinum treatment or wanting every accommodation My point of this thread is that hotels have actually been REFUSING TO HONOR RESERVATIONS TO people who don't have the deposit to cover their room stay. Even if it's been prepaid. That could be an issue for an escort who may be low on funds, and has a CLIENT who is arriving in short order. A traveling provider can actually end up missing an appointment, because of such a situation. Obviously, it’s not recommended to travel without enough cushion, but you’d be surprised how many may need to once in awhile. How you think it's asking for platinum treatment when someone just wants to check into the room they paid for, is gobsmacking ? to me. It's nothing necessarily brand new, but more hotels that you wouldn't expect, are doing it. If I check into a Super 8 (Which is rare but sometimes you don't want full service hotel...and some super 8 are actually quite nice), I'm not trying to pay $150 for a night. They say it comes right back, it doesn't. I'm still parting with $150, $100 that I may need to wait a few days to access. All for sleeping on a bed for not even 24 hours because they push to get everyone out by 11 am. Actually I was thinking about your posts that are always up my ass instead of your own. How ironic ?

The rule for Las Vegas and Orlando: any hotel that says "Las Vegas Strip", buffet, or Disney world is bound to have a resort fee. Most of those $30/night hotels are really resorts and cost double the amount. Which is still a good deal for the views in some of those places, but it's not $30.

I’m getting ready to start traveling full force this month. Hopefully no more police killings/“riots” cancel or interrupt my trip. Trying to do as much as possible before summer ends, and the first frost begins. All road trips.

I actually do have a card that I did plan to use for rental cars and hotel deposits, but the first hotel I tried using it...happened to be a Springhill Marriott that held $100. I had literally stayed there a month prior, and it was only $25. Clearly they needed to jump the gun, deeper into the pandemic. After I checked out, they took forever to refund the amount...even taking it out again 2 weeks later, which interfered with one of my rental car reservations. They claim they didn’t take it out, but I know some credit cards will wait forever for the “merchant“ to send the authorization. Sometimes the better option is to call each hotel individually before booking and asking about the incidental hold. I’ve saved face that way a few times.

blah, blah, blah...I’m not reading all that. You spent a lot of time justifying that, but the point I’m saying is: if they didn’t do it before, why do it now? Yes they have rules and regulations, so on and so on. That’s what they’re supposed to have. I’ve been hurt by hotels more than enough times, to understand that (bedbugs, car broken into, rude guests I’ve almost had to fight b/c staff incompetent, food and respiratory illnesses that I’m POSITIVE was incurred from a hotel...list goes on) I’m not going to sit here and “be understanding” of what hotels have to go thru. The only reason I made the example I did, was to make the connection of how there’s risks on both ends. I take deposits because, if and when someone cancels, I don’t get paid shit. Not a goddamn thing. Whereas if someone messes up a room, well hell, atleast they got paid for the room. I’m not underestimating the responsibility hotels have and why deposits are likely to their advantage, but $100? To stay at a fucking Super 8? And one place in Dallas last year, the Hawthorne suites in north Dallas tried to tell me I needed to pay a $300 deposit for 1 night. Who the F they think I’m doing, moving in? So no, I’m not going to kiss up to hotels. Sorry. If I pay a hotel in advance, no reason for an extra $100 to be held on my account. It’s simply corporate riff raff that is intended to keep people who aren’t staying on a corporate account, out. When I stayed in Palm Springs gay resort last year, I paid the hotel $230 for 2 nights, and didn’t have to pay anything extra to “hold” for damages. Again, if a hotel actually had room service and spa and a selection of refrigerator items, I can understand. But not some fucking basic hotel that serves Grab n go breakfasts in the morning. And then tell me, “because people smoke and damage the room”. Bitch, what the F that has to do with me? I don’t smoke and I’m 1 person by myself, no kids ??‍♂️ I also don’t buy “karma” by tipping maids. Sometimes I do, other times I don’t. If it’s a big nice room in a big city and I made some decent money, I might. But I don’t trash rooms. I throw all my shit in the trash, flush the toilet, and leave it clean. I also bring my own top sheet to play on. One maid quoted, “your room was the cleanest and easiest I’ve had”. I’m not going to make their job hard, but I also have spent upwards of 90% of my earnings on hotels some days...I really don’t feel the need to always tip, especially if I’m “on tour” and staying in hotels for 20 or 30 days at a time.

Count your blessings. I had 2 clients my age and younger clients earlier this week, and 1 mid week. But it’s still overall feel of dead. Nothing planned in advance, no hotel Outcalls, nothing really making me feel inspired that I can make the move into my own incall place just yet. The leasing lady called me today asking if I’m ready to sign, I said...I wanted to say; I need pray ?? on it. Client today canceled, but I figured he was full of anyway, trying to get around my deposit policy. And it reminds me again why I don’t let them slide because the convenient, “I woke up with a sore throat and need to cancel” jive. That said, yes this is a blip... but it’s a recurring blip. And it’s costing us dearly. Every time this happens, it takes 2 weeks minimum to return to normalcy. Travels and escort tours are going to be not at full potential. That’s 2 weeks of canceled, almost, and speculative bookings down the drain. And let’s not even think about how some Black escorts may be adversely affected. Even the occasional text, “black cocks ? matter to me”, doesn’t help the cause lol. As much as I don’t condone injustice of any kind, and I even had to correct a client the other day: Stop ? ✋?. don’t try to justify the shooting, because at the end of the day, we’ve already seen things being escalated far beyond what was necessary on more than 1 occasion, and little to nothing being done. So... if the government is going to be okay bailing out insurance companies for riot damage they may no longer be able to afford, or providing more stimulus checks for those who have their business’s destroyed, then goddamit, fucking do something to better it. However; I think we also need to pause a bit and ask ourselves is it really worth reacting to every event. I’m not talking about fake news. Like an old photographer once told me, “I stopped watching news because it’s become nothing more than a police blog”. And that’s the thing, media is always going to push the most sensational stories, because it gains attention. And it’s always going to be about who shot who, who was murdered where, what fatal accident happened there... it’s all police business that the average American brain, doesn’t need to digest. It’s just negativity and noise. But that negativity and noise is affecting our business, even as sex workers. Minor incidents or even everyday friendly encounters aren’t going to make it to headlines.

Exactly, that’s why I say let’s not assume like everything is just fine. Even though I said things were actually a little better, it still gets setback when once again, there’s World War 3 going on in cities across the country. And that’s not taking away or minimizing from the issues at hand, it’s just nothing happening at the moment that has been conducive to sex work. But perhaps maybe it IS being conducive indirectly, by sending the message that policing is outdated and perhaps that could open the doors to decriminalizing sex work in some ways. I did. But I also know the current fuck bastards aren’t doing a goddamn, mother f-? ing thing either to be on sex worker sides. But I also seen this which could give some hope:

Thanks. I'm trying to. But it's hard not to. For example, I was planning to go to both Minneapolis and Wisconsin this and next month, but both trips were put on hold for obvious reasons. So there goes my tour potential for most of the month. I know clients be wanting to get that escape, so sometimes us working in the thick of things can be a good thing. But I also know lots of people will only use us for an escape, and not actually meet. And this week I've been dealing with more of the same. Part of me just wants to quit until next year. This year, everytime I start to build momentum, some new bullshit comes around that sets me right back.

Sounds good, but I'm not understanding this: If I'm paying for a hotel in advance (thru a 3rd party or when they swipe my card), as in already paid... the refundable deposit for incidentals isn't really going to make or break the housekeeper. It's kind of like if a client paid my fee in advance. And then I asked, "now I just need to see your credit card and authorize an extra $100 incidentals for STDs. If I don't have any symptoms after 7 days, I'll refund the money back to you." They'd be looking at me like an alien. Obviously that's a facetious and extreme example, but it's the same concept. The housekeeping money is included in the money I pay for the room. It's almost at a point where I have to just keep $100 set aside on an untouchable card just for hotel incidentals.

Exclusive deals so to speak. Mainly thru the app. I also get 10% off all my express deals. Anytime I book thru PL, I tend to go for something nice... Because it's a big deal considering I don't always have those funds available on a card. And lot of places won't accept cash. And in certain cities, going to a bank for a deposit may not be an option if the bank I use isn't in town. Or I may not even have the extra available at all. Let's not pretend like nobody in our profession ever goes a week where they may only have less than $100-$200 in between lulls in business, especially when multiple bills are due in 1 week. I say discrimination because, on several instances they've admitted to doing so. Discrimination Mainly towards the priceline guest, but also I've even booked directly thru a hotel: one such place I've stayed 2 other times. Neither time was I asked for a deposit. One night, I checked in with a guy to have some fun time, and suddenly it's $100 deposit. Fortunately, he didn't mind putting it down. But then the next day, some other bitch going to say to us as we're checking out, "i didn't know there was 2 people in that room, it would have been extra". I said, "the person last night seen 2 were checking in" (and staying in 1 bed). Why the bitch had a need to have a problem, idk. But she almost got cursed out if it weren't for me trying to keep a cool head around my JFF contestant lol. I later did file a discrimination complaint, but I definitely won't be staying with them again. Fucking Homophobic bastards. And that's the stuff I refer to. The other thing is, the chain of hotels that I book thru, will list on their notes how much they will charge for incidentals. Most will only say for pets and smoking. But now, those same ones will charge incidentals anyway, even if it doesn't say anything about it. Only ones I've found that consistently don't are red roof inn and extended stay. Motel 6 doesn't either, but I hardly ever use those due to the flimsy beds and bare bones amenities. Though some in smaller towns tend to be doable

If I was staying on the Las Vegas strip, in a world class resort, I could understand. But I’ve had places like Super 8, Sleep Inn and even Marriott Springhill...request $100 deposits. Those same hotels would ordinarily take $0 or maybe $25 for incidentals. And like you said, there’s nothing to charge to the room anyway since food and beverage at many are either non existent or very limited. I’ve actually fared better staying at the upper level hotels than some of the smaller budget hotels. A Sheraton I stayed in one city, only held $1. And an Embassy suites in another town only held $20. Perhaps the pandemic has brought in a lot of trashy guests to the budget conscious establishments. Guess I’ll have to reconfigure where I stay. I am currently a diamond member with 2 hotel brands, but due to their iffy hotels that occasionally charge exorbitant deposits, I’ve been using my Priceline VIP status much more often. At the same time, the drawback with 3rd parties is, smaller hotels will demand a deposit, whereas booking thru the hotel directly may not.

Has anyone traveling been discovering this? I’m finding even budget hotels with no amenities are requiring it, especially when booking thru Priceline, but often times even when doing directly thru the hotel. It’s been 4 times this year that I’ve had to leave $100 for a deposit, and each time I’m waiting days. This week I checked into a hotel on Sunday, and just received the deposit back Wednesday morning. It’s really become a nuisance considering sometimes I may stay in more than 1 hotel in the course of a week. Or I may have a client in city who wants to meet, and I have to quickly pick a hotel nearby to where I am. It seems to have started back in the early stages of the pandemic. There’s been several hotels I’ve stayed at that didn’t charge deposits at all or only held like $20, now suddenly wanting $100. I’ve even been considering getting in touch with some legal aid seeing if anyone else may have been considering, because I feel it’s discrimination. At the same time, hotel laws could be all over the place. To me it really fucking defeats the purpose of getting a “budget” hotel, if you still have to cough up an additional amount that’s even higher than room rate. They always try to say because of previous guests did this, or did that... but I’m not previous guests. Charge them, not me. It’s also why I have to ask for deposit from clients to host. Because if I’m getting a room, and person does or doesn’t show up, I could easily be out $150 minimum, just from booking a hotel to host. Exactly why I’m ready to get into my incall spot and fuck hotels.

Some days I feel like things are busier, at other times I feel like I just want to quit and leave the biz. Everytime I look around there's something else going on, and I'm really not making that much money anyway. Trying to get into a new incall spot and seeing most of the places I want are $800+ a month, and then everytime cases go up or protests break out, it's another quiet few days or week. I'm just getting fucking fed up with this shit.

There actually was a ton of clients in Denver, and probably still is lol. It's just too many guys trying to compete for those tons. Not to mention the wealthier mountainous resort areas are brimming with money, albeit not a whole lot of "gay" money...but the bi and curious crowd in Denver and Colorado in general was really what kept me afloat when I was there. The main issue is when too many (especially questionable) "providers" come into a market that's not fit to handle it. I was fortunate to be able to hit Denver during it's heydays of backpage and men4rent/RB, but too many escorts there trying to make it...and Denver was really just a conservative best kept secret. Perhaps with more legalized marijuana, things could even out. Not to mention, there's many other mountain Western towns in the region that need a further gay revival: Cheyenne, Billings, Albuquerque. Unfortunately gay male escorting is almost unheard of to the first 2, whereas ABQ can only support so much as well. Some trips there it seems great, I can go back a month later and it could be completely dead. It'd be nice if similar to places like Arizona and Florida, Fort Collins and Co Springs could be get away towns with a decent population of clients. But sadly that's just not the case. I probably have come across no more than 10 clients in all the 10 years I've been in and out of Colorado, in both towns. Add that up lol.

@Rudynate On another note note, there's another local client who would regularly text me after a session, and go on and on about how he felt about something. It was like a therapy session. I'd explain, make him feel better...he'd hire me again, then swear he'd never see me again after, then hire me again...then be okay for a couple times, and then find something else to be offended about lol. Once he even accused me of elderly abuse because I asked him for a little extra funds because we went 2 hours overtime (generally in the form of varied conversation, not sex..which I didn't mind and actually liked to hear him talk about interesting things, except each time I visit him its an hour drive...that's 5 hours for a 1 hour session) I had to explain to him, $250 does not cover 3 hours of time together lol. Then he added something along the lines of hearing me counting cash in the other room. I'm like dude...yes, I counted your money in the other room along with my money just to verify what I had all together. Last time, I think he got offended about something again because he seems to have gone into "blow me off" mode. But now he's probably afraid to tell me because at one point I suggested he speak to a sex therapist instead of a sex worker, about discovering what he wants. So, I'm fine with first time and newbie client's. But I'm just not mentally equipped to handle that kind of baggage.

These weren't first timers though. They're guys who I've met several times. But, as a whole yeah....they like are new to how the whole escort dynamic works. And that I was glad to explain. As an update: I been able to sit both guys down (figuritively) in question. I just had to let them know to #1, not be so quick to take things to offense and #2, understand where I'm coming from when I say things. The Texas guy, we were able to get on good terms again, and he admitted he thought one thing while I was thinking another. I told him it's no guarantee that I'm even going to have enough to pay for my daily expenses and there and back. So he can't just hypothetically expect that I could just come way down and there and be okay on my own dime. I told him, he's the one who decided to take the job out there for 3 months, I shouldn't have to extend my finances to go see him...on my dime. We talked it out, but we seemed to agree to "take a break" for the time being. Which I think is best because, I'm starting to learn any kind of long distance relationship or friendship is best left to where you wait til you meet again. Because when communications get misunderstood and arguments arise, it always messes with the dynamic. So basically, we just not going to talk anymore until it's time for him to either come back, or be in position to have a week or few days off and at-least take care of the transportation part. But we're friends on Facebook so he gets to see me throughout the week anyway. But there's just not going to be any conversations 1 on 1 about what I'm doing and what he's doing.

I hope not. I think they'll be open to lend an ear and give in provided they don't get sidetracked by corona and police reform. Which all needs addressing, BUT. That's why (off topic and not trying to get too political, but I guess it would matter in pertaining to slow down in bookings) I've not been particularly enthusiastic about the BLM ✋? movement, even though I am a BLM. Only because I don't want to be watered down to a 3 letter acronym or 3 word sentence. I want something more specific: BGEMALM: Because gay escorts making a living, matters. It's convenient and easy to acknowledge the B, but then forget about the g and the e. There's plenty of people who agree BLM, but yet have an issue with the gay and escort part. Add in Black, suddenly it becomes an issue of least concern. "Wake up, and suddenly...you're least concerned" (that better not be Kamala Harris)

Don’t get me started on Denver. Or guys who say they, “did really well” someplace lol. It becomes a case of: someone online said another person he hired said... But otherwise, you’re right. Denver has been a tricky market for awhile. My next run will be bringing me back out there, but I’m advertising well in advance... and making sure I come with enough for a hotel or air bnb for at least 3 days. Denver long ago out saturated their market. I moved there back in 2010/2011, it was a feeding frenzy. Men4Rent, Craig’s and backpage. Guys have tried to turn it into some kinda partying sex workers paradise, and it couldn’t support the influx.

clarify that last sentence: so joe and Kamala aren’t going to do anything pro sex workers, is that what you’re insinuating? (Not agreeing or disagreeing, just making sure I’m not the only one skeptical lol) that said, re: traveling providers. Let’s not make assumptions. You say escorts who can “afford” to travel. Versus locals who charge less. But sometimes it’s not about an escort who can afford to travel, it may be their current market is so depressed and dead, they are forced to travel to make ends. Or on a lesser extent, make up for lost time.