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In that case I might as well forget about trying to get into this incall location I been considering moving to. I have to be able to show I’m making 3.5x the monthly rent, and that’s barely even happening. And that’s what clients don’t understand. Lately it seems the majority want us to host, but how are we supposed to be able to maintain accommodations at this rate. That’s why lately the only way I’ve been hosting is by appointment, in hotel, with a deposit. But even that has become tedious. All I need is 2 to 4 outcalls a week on a steady base. That’s not even happening. I’ve had 2 outcalls in the last 2 weeks. And only 1 incall in the past week ?

Any updates? I noticed some people came out to play since Labor Day, but in my area it’s still been pretty slowed up. Only had 2 clients last week, but nothing this weekend. I’m seriously thinking about retiring for a bit. If I end up coming into this windfall, I’m leaving. The biz has become so far removed from making real money, it’s just becoming not even worth it right now. I’m just about ready to quit. This whole last week, I’ve just been pretty much in a state of trying to figure a way out. Doesn’t help that I’m in shitty market to begin with, but I can’t seem to get to a point where I can leave.

Yeah it’s kind of like comparing Miami and Houston. I suppose you could use your imagination, and pretend you are in Miami while in Houston. But it’s not going to Miami. Or LA, for that matter. Even though the 2 share similar qualities. It’s always going to be that 1 “something” that reminds you it’s not quite comparable.

Definitely not similar cities. Chicago is midwestern and New York is east coast. Also much more expansive. People in other states will say they’re from Chicago, that could be like someone from Burbank saying I’ve not really spent a lot of time in New York, but Florida has a lot of New York influence to where I feel I’ve been there for awhile. I know some cities are trying to trend to being the next Chicago alternative: St. Louis, Denver and Minneapolis. I personally wasn’t able to find my niche in Chicago...from escort perspective. It’s a big city with lots of competitors, but it’s fun to go with friends. However, the crime factor is certainly a factor. Never had anything happen to me there, but I’ve seen the fights break out after the gay bars on the south side... I try to avoid cities with too many of ‘us’ folks as it is. Its often a struggle as a minority myself, and never seems to improve my bottom line financially. I’m having that issue lately in Kansas City. Just dead, day after day after day. Nothing steady happening. I been alternating staying in St. Louis, but even there it hasn’t been any significant improvement. It’s just been barely getting by. Me thinks it’s time to hit a major metropolis like SF or New York/Boston myself. But if you’re already situated with a job and housing, by all means...it’ll be great.

I only CHOSE to give one example that coincides with this time 20 years ago. Since you’re so motivated about proof, prove to me that people weren’t afraid to fly for a much longer time after that. I highly doubt it was back normal after 6 months. Did you forget about Anthrax? That was like a year later. I don’t think people felt “normal” until Bin Laden in 2011 and Suddam Hussein in 2006. 9/11 and the threat of terrorism was constantly on the headlines just about everyday up until mass shootings started making headlines. There was no “normal”, it was just people doing what the heck they needed to do: and that was to get to where they needed to go. It was NEVER back to normal. And don’t forget about the shoe bombing incident after that time as well. that said, this is getting political. I’m walking ?? ? away ??

Maybe this will be better fitted to your question. You DEFINITELY can’t tell me people weren’t afraid to travel after that. I wasn’t in the business at that time, but I don’t know what kind of hits the industry sustained after that time. Maybe @Kevin Slater could chime in with some insight...

For this reasons and others, I’m “considering” discontinuing my membership on A4A for a little while. Even though it is just $30, the quality of provider AND client seems to question the purpose. It seems to work better in some markets than others, but it’s hard to tell when and where it’ll be handy. If not using it in a reliable market where you can get clients already from Rentmen and others to begin with, it probably won’t make much of a difference. Like in places like Kansas City, Orlando and Los Angeles, A4A isn’t going to fix the already underperforming market in which other websites are based on. It’s also tedious to have to keep logging in because people there don’t treat it like an ad, they just try to get free chat time rather than contact direct and schedule a visit.

Too late, I’m already having champagne ? ? yeah, I think it’s too soon for guys to be headlining: “tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, so I can’t give it to you...” It’s not exactly HIV and prep. It’s just too soon to actually tell. For all we know, or don’t know, having antibodies could equate to being “positive” for life, just like HIV. That’s why I’m just like fuck it, expect every day a new discovery will come out... perhaps it’ll mate with seasonal pollen and dooms us all. But gotta keep on trucking, regardless. Everytime they say it’s the end of the world, it’s not. Bills still end up due

Well I should mention, even though my handle on here is new, I’ve been around quite awhile lol. Review wise, I have a good number on rentmasseur and rentmen. It certainly does help. But I should also probably take into perspective that I am not located in a big city market, and actually haven’t since I left Florida back in April (and even then, I still don’t consider any of the Florida locations “big city market” except Miami/Ft Lauderdale which doesn’t count because the providers out number the hiring pool in both locations. For every client, there’s like 10 escorts to choose from). I’ve been based in medium sized Midwest towns all summer and haven’t done any big trips to the coasts yet. But I’m sure places like San Fran, DC and...some other cities probably still have the 250-300 range. So it’s not to say it’s not going to be workable across the board. But it bears taking into consideration that it could go both ways: maybe guys in cities are needing to charge less, maybe guys in the small cities are needing to charge less. Take a place like Omaha Nebraska. Rates across the board are fairly nonexistent or perceivably low. But I do have clients there who have given 250-350. So it’s not out of the question. But for sustainability efforts, I’ve also offered sessions as low as 150 if I was in the mood to do so and that’s what was on the table.

okay, I don’t know how we ended up here, but I’m not fixing to be going back and re-arguing all over again about whether the pandemic is worse than any of the other things that have occurred since the start of 2000 (and yes, I know people stay put after hurricanes, I lived in Florida for 20 years Including during the 4 hurricanes that hit in 2004/2005ish, and then moved back 10 years later...when the pulse nightclub shooting and Irma hit. And the same Queens are still living in Orlando til this day lol). By the way: I didn’t refer that the protests are HELPING Trump and republicans, I meant they are USING it to help Trump and Republicans. I just seen on Fox News how they are blaming democrat run states for fires and protests, and saying how we won’t be safe in Biden’s America (ironic considering all this shit is happening under Trump’s govern). CNN on the other hand is using the coronavirus numbers in the U.S. and future predictions to help the Democratic Party, considering the message seems to be: Trump is not effectively dealing with the pandemic.

thankyou! but as you said, that’s where it gets difficult. I find myself trying to “win” the sale regardless. I’m just not in a position to turn down clients if they can’t pay extra for some things. Like the other day: I did a session where the guy wanted to watch me do his hot husband ? Normally I ask for 300 for 3 way sessions, but he said he couldn’t do that much. I went ahead and offered a slightly lower donation, but it was still reasonable. It was fun and easy and I didn’t feel regret about it, but it was still not the amount I preferred. But it was okay considering it wasn’t an actual 3way. I try to work with people to get an idea of their price point and budget, because never really know. At the same time, if it’s something ridiculous like $150 for two hours full service, I won’t eagerly accept that. That’s a good way to do it. I do the same because it does say, “yes I’m professional, but here’s a little real life me”. But I lied when I said I am not bothered by the selfie pics. It is annoying because it makes Rentmen look like Grindr, and back when Rentboy was around, if you had a gold or platinum membership, you had some very talented photographers taking pics. That was and still is for me, one of the best parts of escorting: doing photo shoots and going to different cities and meeting big name photographers.

Well, that's the downside of Rentmen not allowing advertising of rates. I'm curious how you would know, considering you're not trying to hire? Are you just surfing ? the guys to see how much they charge, only to tell them it's too much? That's kinda cruel lol. I ask because I have to explain to guys: don't tell me my rate is too much if you don't know the logistics behind it. Sure I can charge $150, but then what if that's the only session I get all day? People don't understand it's expensive to be a Rentman. I'm constantly hemorrhaging money throughout the month lol. Whether it's hotels or transportation, it adds up. At the same time, I understand $200 is a lot of money. A person can buy a lot with $250 or even $150, so I'm eternally grateful for everyone who comes to see me. At the same time, if I suggest a certain price, it's not to be greedy: it's the value in my service and to offset my expenses involved in the biz. Because these companies constantly drain our finances. Just this week: I paid $343 in car repairs. Then, I had to get a hotel to host today in another town, because Kansas city is slow as shit. Fortunately I had reward points. But I've only had 2 clients this week. So yeah, I try to get clients to understand that I really don't do appointments under $200. Thankfully, it does seem like the "can you do it for $100" crowd has evolved into understanding.

Considering there’s plenty of threads brimming right now, figured I’d try to multi-task and include a 2 in 1. First is: Occasionally I’ll browse a city just to get an idea how many are listed in an area. I noticed today in a certain location, I was the only one who had professional (non selfie/camera phone) pics on the main RentMen page. Why does it seem like the industry has gone so far away from getting professional pics done? I recall at some point, it almost seemed like a requirement to have professional pics, if you were expecting to make some real numbers. I mean, it doesn’t bother me...but I don’t know if RentMen realizes it makes the site look sketchy and lowered in value than what it should be, when you have a bunch of guys taking out of focus selfie pics. Which leads me to the next... 2nd: is there a shift in rates happening? Or should it just happen anyway? It seems like $200 and $300 are still attainable, but there seems to be more “I can’t do that much, money is tight” going around. Which is understandable. But are we going to eventually be reverting back to $150-200 as being the dominant price range across the board? Versus $250-$300? I hear people say they get multiple clients per day, but I’d be curious to know what rates they are asking in order to get those numbers. Some guys will say they get 5 clients a day, but then will say they charge $80. Obviously that is a different structure versus someone getting 1 or 2 clients per week at $250.

Well thankyou for bringing up your story. If you want to know the truth, I actually have something similar to vitiligo on my hands as well. I hate it, but I manage it and am aware of it. Eventually I do want to see if I can have a dermatologist (which I recall seeing years ago in my school days, but only gave me some cream was nothing more than glorified dry skin ointment). As for dude’s dental situation...I don’t have to offer to pay for anything because he has dental insurance/coverage. I had just said previously that a recent dental visit he had revealed an issue that needed to be fixed (which he gladly offered to tell me about). I wouldn’t take anything back TBH. I said it, and glad I said it. The truth will set you free. I wanted to know for myself, whether he understood that his teeth could use work, and it was a bother outside of the bedroom (and I say outside because generally, sex wise he’s good at that and has a decent looking body, cock, and ass). But, leading up to that, and afterwards...I like to know inside that I’m comfortable with a person’s whole being. That said, we are still friends and things are a good terms now. It still bothers me, but now he knows. I’m not going to be one of those fake escorts who will play the part long as their is money involved. I’m going to be a real ass person to mention things if it bothers me. Obviously certain things can’t be cured and fixed. But many things can. I know for me, my barber kept harping on how I was going bald at the top of my head. I would get offended, but recently began a propecia and rogaine regime...because I have a good overall hair left, but if I didn’t take care of the bald spot, it’s just going to keep getting worse. So I chose to do something about it in the interim. I know some guys look sexy bald, but I’ve got a cranium slightly shaped like a peanut, so that’s not the route I wish to take lol

Actually it's perfectly right. I'm sure at the time, that tragedy of that magnitude made people fearful of cruises and ocean travel for a long time. At the same time, television wasn't invented yet...so maybe it was to a lesser extent. Let's not lie to ourselves and ADMIT: constant television access to the pandemic and riots do invade our personal spaces and create fear. I honestly believe: the police killings leading to the protests, along with the "framing" by suspect individuals.. are designed to helping the Republican party. The coronavirus and Trump's accused lack of handling it and it's stardom in the lime light, is helping the democrats. I just take everything in perspective. My grandma died 5 years ago and I sat bedside every day for a month, seeing the cancer (and medications) get progressively worse. We just heard the other week, the star of black panther died of colon cancer. So...it's like, the fuck does it matter? No point in working tirelessly to dodge 1 bullet, when there's a whole army to defeat. I'm not saying don't do anything or that coronavirus isn't a real deadly thing, but...life must go on regardless.

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Ain’t it a surprise when that happens? I can’t say I’ve had “months” that is has been better, but certainly “cities” where that’s been the case. I think A4A slightly changing its interface (which initially resulted in a slow down couple years ago) did benefit the site. They were smart to “update” without doing a complete facelift, and losing customers in the process like manhunt and gay.com did. I did write to them though that I didn’t like how they dropped having individual neighborhoods, and suddenly had “county” for every city. Which may be easy to place yourself in, but hard for users to find. Like I don’t know what county every town I’m in, is in. I think they did it to include more people in searches (places like LA and DC would have dozens of neighborhoods, all within a 20 mile radius, and sometimes I’d change my neighborhood round the clock to try and catch more visibility). I’m also convinced more people are using the app and location feature. I can barely get any hits when I’m far from the city, but once I’m in town, my inbox starts blowing up from people nearby. Which is great, but bad for when trying to pre-advertise.

I get that too, but it’s relatively easy to avoid. Try to keep your location on, and only respond to those within atleast 1,000 miles (I say because oftentimes I’m posting in cities ahead of time and may be 950 miles away). also don’t entertain profiles that only have an age and a picture with nothing else filled out. I had a “client” with a profile like that...everything seemed real including his number matched his stats, or so it seemed. But he ended up being a flake. now I make sure to mention that I won’t reply to blank profiles, and all clients on A4A have to confirm their appointment.

Well congrats. I can attest to also having some hot encounters from the site, which keeps me coming back. I’m also grateful that due to Grindr and company (the beneficial parasites of gay hookup sites lol) I’ve noticed the level of harassment, weirdos, and rude messages on Adam have gone down drastically over the years. Most of the weirdos have moved onto the hookup apps, which is why I’ve stopped being too concerned about Grindr allowing escort ads someday. People used to hit me up to say nasty things, nowadays I only get it once in awhile. Most recently: a guy in DFW Texas area I believe I met 12-13 years ago hit me up. He had to have been late 30s/40 when I met him. He was hot and we had fun, but it was a 1 time thing. He had the same picture, and the same age: 30 years old. When I made a joke about it, he said he doesn’t take the site seriously, and “at-least he’s not a prostitute” and then blocked me. wow...I’m so offended. I had no idea But that’s also one of the reasons I don’t like using it, many people on the site like to play games or be rude and dismissive. It can easily tank my mood ya times. But there’s been times I’ve successfully trained guys how to communicate when looking for sex. Being snappy and combative isn’t going to work with me ☝?

Just seeing where the consensus is regarding this site. I still advertise on there every month, but I have periods where it doesn’t oft payoff. The only reason I keep it up is because it’s inexpensive ($30) and it’s not too much of a hassle since I just put my phone number up and leave it. Occasionally I’ll go thru and respond to messages with an auto template, but 99% of the time...it winds up as no response or no meet from it. The rate of clients from the site is about 1 or 2 every 2 weeks. And considering it’s priced per month, it’s still a win...but discouraging to say the least. I’m also aware I don’t charge the rates they seem to expect to pay: usually $50-$100. So getting a client to meet for $200-$300 isn’t common on the site, but certainly not impossible. I know many providers don’t bother with it, but just curious to see if more or less people are using it anymore.

Do you refer to find providers, or just general day to day stuff? I use the main ones you’ve mentioned, although I feel A4A seems to be somewhat falling off year after year. Or it can just be very hit or miss

You didn't quote anyone so not sure who it was referenced to. I had just quoted what another client had said to me. Regardless I do still have my doubts. Like I said, there often seems to be a "pattern" of news events. Some years mass shootings were the headlines, now it's the virus, before that was 9/11, and the war in Iraq, the BP Gulf explosion aka deep water horizon and how we'd all die from eating tainted Gulf seafood etc. Sprinkle in police brutality and racial tensions...and I'm supposed to be concerned about a pandemic? Point I'm making is: when is anything ever going to go away anytime soon? It's a matter of addressing which disaster is going to affect who the most, and rolling with the punches. In the meantime, there's resources to be made and cities to be traveled. Can't keep being held back everytime some shit “goes down” on the headlines. Things have been going down way before now:

ugh, tell me about it. In my case it’s often time something car trouble...it was that way memorial weekend and last year 4th of July weekend. And of course Labor Day, all the repair shops are jammed. I been trying to do rental cars for my tour trips, but lately every since the lockdowns have been lifted, companies have been trying to get double to make up for the loss. I used to be able to rent full sized cars/suvs for 2 weeks for less than $300. Hard to find lately. Especially on a holiday. This weekend’s search turned vehicles going for $60-$90 a day. Yeah, and it is hard to tell in some ways. On the one hand, people are out and about and on the other, just don’t know. They say we’re in the middle of a pandemic, but I just don’t know of anyone personally who’s actually getting seriously ill. Not to downplay it, but basically just observing people still being out and about. There is a provider who came to Kansas City from Saint Louis this weekend. Not sure why he bothered because it’s dead here, one will be lucky to get any clients this weekend. I woulda opted to stay in Saint Louis, but even the pace of biz over there has been kinda mellow. I just need a good 1 month tour hitting new cities every 2 to 4 days. I haven’t seen any commas in my bank account since the stimulus check. This is depressing ? But I have also been purposely low volume as I am not just letting anyone fake appointments and waste my time lately. Majority of clients over the past couple months have been by deposit and appointment only, so I’m less stressed with no shows and cancels. Only had 1 cancel over the past few weeks.

Well see this is where you're getting it mixed up. Who said we're giving it up for free, and to whom? And just because they're giving it up for free, hypothetically speaking....what license does that give someone to think they should also have free access to said provider's sexual aura? At the end of the day let's just be realistic: Not all clients are going to be an escort's preferred type. Let's not fake or pretend or imagine anything different. Many clients have image and/or weight issues, and are fully aware of it. Which is good. But, And I've said before: there are clients out there who are willfully unconcerned with their appearance, so to hell if an escort chooses to actually have sex with someone who's just their type once in awhile, for free. The fuck I would let someone tell me I can't hookup and have sex with some 20s something hot guy on an app who wants to let me fuck him raw. Is he paying me? No. But he's down to do a video and that in itself can help me make some coin in the long run...

Mainly referencing guys who aren’t in the 9 to 5 world. I just find these holiday weekends don’t really make big earnings, despite the idea that many clients probably have time off. That’s for 1. And then it seems trying to get anything done ends up being a crapshoot. From real life appointments to client appointments, it’s always like everyone is crammed and pressed for time. I’ve just about all but given up on the weekend, even though it’s only Saturday. Couldn’t get my tour off the ground this weekend, and most times it seems anytime I want to do anything group social, I have to go out of town because most of my long time friends live out of the area. And I don’t even bother to go on the hookup apps. All I get is guys who seem like they’re available to meet and then be like: oh I’m at a BBQ/pool/Lake/family/etc... and then flake or don’t even bother to invite. Or try to meet “afterwards”. Miss me with that. I’m not anyone’s virtual booty call. So yeah, holiday weekends...idk. It can be fun if you have an established circle or reliable people to make plans with, but since lately I’ve been moving cities every 2-3 years, it’s impossible to make plans with “people I went to high school/college with”. And prospective clients can be equally unreliable around now. Hitting me up at odd hours or wanting shit last minute with 45 minutes from time of call to time they “have stuff to do” ??‍♂️