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I just don't see how people are affording any of this shit these companies are wanting. Cars and homes are just a racket. I own both my cars, but it's hard to find a place to buy outright like a car....which I was close to doing with my former place, which was only about $66,000 for a 1 bedroom town home at the time. How does one pull off making 3X the rent (in one particular place it'd be $900x3=$2,700 a month plus car and utility and escort expenses (gym, ads etc, clothes, etc, etc, etc, etc lol). I guess if you're making 3X that amount you can offset those costs. But obviously escort income can be do random. That's why I am considering on my next move to pick up a second job for my regular bills, but not an easy feat when first needing a place to live in order to even take on the job lol. Unless just make one big payment to a hotel, but hell in this economy.... there's no guarantees.

Sounds like for annual income. The places I was referring to was per monthly times 3. Definitely not making $2,000 New York rent times 40 a month lol. That's $80,000 a month. An escort would have to be Justin Bieber or Floyd Mayweather to make that kinda money every month lol.

Who would so such a thing, and what city is this occurring? I can’t see how they would be getting it mixed up. I can’t see your ad signature right now because I’m on mobile version, but if that’s the case, only thing I can think is if you include face pics (again I can’t see your ad yet) it could help. I can’t tell you what I’d do if someone sent me such texts, as it would upset the “Puritanical” sex seekers of the forum.... but I’ll just say I tried very hard one time, not to email a scathing RM message a client who I’d not even met yet... sent to me, something along the lines of me being some con artist and a druggie. But far worse. Fortunately, he apologized and admitted HE was being a prick.... due to other providers standing him up; before I sent it to the hospital he worked AND his partner. Instead, I just reported him to RM and they reprimanded him before I could. I woulda charred ? him.

Sounds like you indirectly addressed me, so...I will indirectly address you as well: And for the most part hasn’t been for me either. But it only takes: 1 time for a client to threaten to slice your neck 1 time for a client to not pay, and then say get the fuck out, 1 time for a client to pay via credit card and then dispute a week later 1 time to go to an outcall and be stood up 1 time to travel to a city, get a room and client not show up 1 time to spend time wasting on a 20 minute phone call answering “questions”, and then be flaked on. Those are all true stories that I have contended with. So yeah, it doesn’t need to be a bunch of bad clients or experiences, it only takes 1. And that’s what this should be about. That said, despite that list... there’s far more good outweighing those. Which is why I stay. And overtime, those bad experiences help condition me to be more able to spot potential disasters, and avoid seeing somebody from the jump. And of course, I only see clients who pay deposits now, which has eliminated 99.9% of bull crap out of my day lol. Who said that? whom? That’s certainly not what I was alluding to. RentMen is manning the ship right now. I have no reason to antagonize them. I just want them to do a little more for us, as far as screening goes. But I decided not to wait for them to do so yet, nor do I think I’d be 100% satisfied with their process. So I am doing everything a step ahead: I screen, require deposit, and have every client fill out a form. I’m like a walking, talking leasing office lol. J/K, that’s not the point. I want it to be simple, fun, and sexy. But I’ve also made crucial and foolish mistakes that I don’t want to relive, so I have to do things with order and professionalism, and I’ve caught on from other businesses how to go about it. You don’t just meet every Tom, Dick and Harry without knowing them from Adam. And you don’t have to provide free consultations, if your advertisement comes with penis photos and videos, including having sex, and sexual preferences outlined, along with face pic. Meanwhile, Mr. anonymous on the other end hasn’t shown a goddamn, MFing thing about his self. THAT is the consultation. Me paying $150 for profiles and ad space, is a consultation. Any extra conversation beyond what time and address, needs to be paid for. That’s why I say, people need to send deposit very soon after texting me, as that’s services rendered.

So I’ve been back in the rental hunting business lately, and needless to say it’s been a bit of a charade. The new city I moved to, seems to be commonly wanting proof of income of 3X the rent. Formerly I’d use bank statements, but in the past few months, I no longer stay within the same city of the main bank that I’d use, which is a pretty common bank nationally in most states, but not all. Which happens to be mine. However, even with that...Property managers and even private landlords can be a bit picky about who’s application looks the best. I actually used to feel private landlords were the way to go, but now I’m seeing it’s not so much the case in many situations. They be wanting as much as the corporate properties when it comes to looking up info. I almost don’t feel comfortable letting someone snoop around my information. I rather just pay the money and move on with the deal lol. I’m not applying for a loan on a mortgage ??‍♂️ It’s also been hard to find places (In the city, for my budget) that are private enough, to where I’d feel comfortable hosting clients regularly. It’s an issue how so many apartments and “converted homes” almost design neighbors to have regular interactions with one another. Which I want to avoid. Obviously the bigger apartment buildings don’t have that issue as much (which actually may be something I turn my focus to next). The main issue is the application of these places, which I know is standard. But last thing I’d want, is to be running around paying application fees and not getting thru.

Actually, it’s a great way to do business, especially in this terrible pandemic/social unrest/presidential jitters time. At this point I’ve already had 3 confirmed with deposits over the past couple days. There was also a previous client who didn’t bother to reply back, which saved me time in the long run. It let me know he’s not worth taking seriously to book an appointment...because even previous clients can and will stand us up. It’s not just about them “asking questions”. It’s more involved than that. My decision is based on cumulative things that have occurred. As I said in another thread. When I look at my phone and see a DOZEN texts in a week, and only have 1 or 2 appointments to show for it...sometimes 0, that equates to minute after minute after minute, which adds up to hours out of my day to day life: that I could be doing other things with. So, the only way to fix it is to make sure they have payment from the start. Not, 100 text messages later. Or, 14 days after their initial text when they asked if I was available, then stopped responding, only to ask me again like it never happened. With everything that’s going on, people are using us as time killers. As for questions, that’s what my auto texts are for. That’s what I spend $79.99 a month for. Why am I spending $79.99 a month for an ad that has pics, videos and stats; only to need to ask MORE QUESTIONS???? Plus more combining the other ads. It comes complete with everything they need to know. Once they pay me the initial deposit for the session, then we can carry on more questions. So far the only time it’s not worked for me, is when I’ve forgotten to ask for it, or let it slide like I did earlier this week: and went on an outcall to someone who’s been contacting me since JANUARY, only to get there and be stood up. So, yeah I’m just not playing these games with people no more. I’ve been burnt over, and over, and over. And now I’ve written in all my ads across the board, that they must make a deposit to book me. So nobody can fake like they didn’t know. If someone says they don’t want to do it, oh well. I’m choosing to operate how I wish to operate. I don’t want to take every appointment request I get, and try to coddle them into booking...or just randomly get crumbs and pieces of “interest” here and there from people who never want to commit and book. I also told people don’t call me, I won’t answer. Because I’ve wasted too much time with phone chat too. I had a discussion with a client today. He told me how he got stood up on a call out before. I sympathized, but I told him: the difference between a client getting stood up and the provider: we’re doing this everyday. Imagine the “chance” of getting stood up multiple times a week, over a period of years. Eventually, a person is going to come to their senses and maybe...? make sure they aren’t JUST getting deposits, but making sure people don’t bullshit them into thinking they’re even going to get an appointment.

My biggest wary would be if someone has a disagreement with RM, and then gets banned. Or if RentMen powers it be, just decide to cancel someone. However, I’ve seen some guys create all new ads periodically, which may allude to the idea that getting true banned from RentMen may not be certain. That said, I feel there’s an upside and downside to it. The downsides you mentioned, but the plus sides is, there’s not dozens of sites to choose from and look around on client’s end. And it also doesn’t become a rat race for us trying to keep up with all the monthly payments. I know with men4rent and rentboy, it was an extra bill I didn’t need. The same clients would often see me on more than 1 site anyway. I think long RentMen plays their cards right and don’t make the same mistakes, it’ll stay afloat. I don’t like the other site’s referring to escorts as “boys” because it sounds like guys down on their luck or looking for sugar daddies. RentMen and RentMasseur sound more mature. I would STILL like to see apps like Grindr start allowing paid escort ads: It would rival RentMen’s hold in the industry. Of course, there’s plenty of guys already using Grindr for services, I can’t be bothered. I like adam4adam because I can freely list my ad and make it known I’m for biz.

I was talking with a client buddy of mine today about that. How some providers aren’t bothered by some client’s nerve grating behaviors. In my case, I’m just quite non-tolerant lol. Idk if it’s just early signs of burnout or what. I never have any issues with clients in person, even if we are different. But the passive aggressive and irritating texts just gets me. I been finding myself more often just making clients feel real dumb over the phone lol. Like one guy the other day, calls me despite saying I don’t answer phone calls until client is verified by text first. Then he says he was just calling to find out if I’m ever in his city, which is the exact city I was getting ready to leave, and been living on/off for the past year and a half. Then he says he shoulda called me earlier. Basically just being a total mind fuck. I said, “You didn’t read my ad? Oh you did read my ad, but you thought you’d do the opposite of what I posted, just to annoy me? So basically you intentionally wasting my time then?” Then they get all flustered and don’t want to book me. Oh well, bye ?? bro But like you said, after while it does get to be petty and pointless. But that’s also why I’ve 100% reverted to deposits. I don’t have time for all the back and forth and flirty courtship. People have become so far removed from the fact that escorts aren’t Grindr profile. Back in the day of agencies, you never spoke to the escort until he showed up to the door. And they got 1 faceless picture in a newspaper ad, of a guy who wasn’t the one who was showing up. If they did it back then, I can do it now. Guys now are spoiled with an abundance of info on us, but still find a way to make us feel like it’s not enough. They can choose an escort with 40 pics, nude, reviews, and videos and interviews and STILL, find a way to extract time out of our day, without pay. That’s not right. The appointment starts, when the conversation starts.

the issue with those sites is that they lift ads from actual “paid” sites, and use it as their own. I used to get annoyed when people said they seen me in friendlyboy.pro. I’m like, I don’t have an ad on friendly pro, wtf you talking about? But then I’d go to the site and see it ? Rentmen started off by giving free memberships and had a killer $19.99 for Gold placement (or maybe it was $29.99). I used to hate getting emails from the site in its early days, they would often be flakes and cancels. But times have changed, and RentMen is the Orca ?

1. I was more referring to the context that Aaron was referring to. He was saying the client cancelled because he didn't get info that other escorts would give him. Again I don't know what info he was looking for, but yes... I woulda wanted to be reimbursed for time spent planning the appointment. 2. The book ? says: And that’s not being funny or kidding or using scriptures to justify anything. But in actuality, most clients don’t think twice about it in the long run unless we do ask.

That's rather common. There's a lot of callers out there who don't really treat it as if they like fact of hiring. Almost as if its a chore or shopping. They have to do it, but don't really want to do it. I ain't got time for that. But on the other hand, re: escorts despising clients: I noticed I got a lot of ? to one of my posts. And that's perfectly fine. I don't expect everyone to share my views of doing things. But that's what makes the biz so great: we're not working FOR rentmen. We're not employed by rentmen, clients aren't employing us. The message forum, and daddy's reviews (no disrespect intended) is not employing us. At the end of the day, it's up to us to choose how we deal with and prevent bad clients. And that goes beyond the physical, and may start even before the first message.

You seem quite high tolerance. Can you allude to what info did he request that wasn't provided, that would have him cancel the session? But see, that's why I've decided to go the deposit route. I don't have time or patience for client's hissy fits where they don't hear exactly the answer they want (e.g. something like a room number before actually arriving to hotel). I hope he sent you a cancellation fee. To me, it can go either way: either the client can back out and leave me empty handed because of something they don't like. Or I can ask for reimbursement of my expected earning because of something they didn't like. I also don't particularly like when people "wish me" a good day after they've given me the kiss off and stood me up. It's passive aggressive and rubs me wrong. I've had to correct a couple of clients over time: you know you don't mean it, so don't fucking say it. If you really want me to enjoy my weekend or enjoy "the city", give me $500. But just sending me a cheap 1 cent text message wishing me success, is certainly going to come off ingenuine.

Some even write and spell like teenagers too lol. Do they think because my ethnicity, that they have to speak to me in bad grammar so I can understand?

Well that's the thing: I HAVE BEEN picking up new clients where I've required a deposit. I just said in another post, that most all my recent appointments have been clients who've paid deposits. I no longer feel compelled to do it any other way going forward. I don't care who doesn't take deposits. But there's plenty who do. Just over the last 7 days, I've had 4 "appointment requests" fall thru, along with several other texts from clients in my rotation city who haven't gotten around to meeting. Guess how many appointments I had out of all that? 1. 1 appointment last week. And I was sent a deposit. Fortunately it was a 2 hour, but regardless. I don't see any further need to sell and extend myself to every guy who contacts me anymore. One last week texts and tells me he'll "call someone else" because he has to work in the evening, since I couldn't come "right away". Not like he dared to contact with any advance notice. So yeah, maybe they should call someone else, who is willing to deal with their bullshit. Everything they need to know is right in the ad. What else could they possibly need to know? When you take a few texts a day from clients inquiring and then saying, "i can't make it work today/this week after all", and add it up in the long run, that's hours and days working and not being paid for it. I refuse to be played like a fool much longer.

Oh well, too bad. I rather sacrifice a bundle of serious clients, than to keep dealing with a basket ? of deplorables lol. I finally concluded today I don’t want to deal with anymore “prospects” without a deposit. Going to an outcall building today and being stood up feels so juvenile and foolish. And the idiot was texting my booking assistant with some lame excuse, after he’s been pestering me for the past 6 months about meeting. Most of my serious clients this year have provided deposits already. I’m just done. I’m not getting paid enough to constantly have my time wasted day in, day out, interrupting my day to day duties and hobbies. I don’t care if people don’t like how I do it. I’m going to do it how I want them to do it. If it bothers them, too bad. I also don’t want to wait to “confirm” an appointment either. I’ve done that already. Idiots still find a way to bullshit even before ever getting to confirm. I don’t even want to answer my phone without being paid. I told RentMen and RentMassseur before, make people pay us $10 to get our number. They don’t want to do it. So now I have to handle it myself.

lol, right. They “think” they’re anonymous. Then I show them otherwise. And if they try to burner number me, I’ve been known to ask: “Why are you contacting me from a burner number??? I can’t book you without either a regular number or a deposit upfront. Goodbye." This isn't 1998 lol. If you want to be anonymous, don't walk out the door lol. Everyone will take a picture of you

Yeah It got out of hand with some sites. No site should be charging that much regardless. They shouldn’t be able to become rich off of our earnings, especially considering rates vary across the board. They also had too many tiers: basic, gold and platinum But on second thought Platinum isn’t too bad and I think RentMen could stand to offer a platinum listing for $100 a month, versus $12-24 per 12-24 hours. I wasn’t asking for pity though. Don’t feel bad for me, I renewed my ads again this month, and didn’t flinch a bit. However, I will continue to make sure any further inquiries I do get, will pay deposit. I’m not going to be paying these sites, only to have idiots waste my fucking time. And I don’t care abour your experiences. YOU DID NOT PAY FOR AN AD. PERIOD. So therefore, if an escort stands you up, you didn’t pay for a goddamn thing. The point of this thread was about paying these sites to post, and then having people waste our time for a week or 2 AFTER the ad has been paid for. You, and everybody else would be mad, bitching and complaining too if you paid a deposit to an escort $79.99, and $39.99 for masseur plus $30 for a guy off adam: and they FUCKED you over by no showing: and then it happened 2-3 times in a row. Yet, we’re expected to fucking deal with this shit and not say a goddamn thing? I don’t think so ?

Paypal ??‍?‍??(can send cash via barcode anonymous at cvs, Walgreens, etc.) cash app ? venmo ? passenger pigeon ? moneygram ? western union ? I don’t care how. Fact is, I won’t be dealing with anymore appointments in 2020 and beyond without a deposit. PERIOD. I’m already putting this as part of my ad rules. No more exceptions. Too much time wasted on idiots to not do it at this point. Just like stores are successfully getting people to wear masks, and pay with credit or debit, I should be able to successfully get them to pay a deposit. If not, DENIED SERVICE. Fixed it for you ?

Oh you mean like today’s stand up outcall where the bastard wouldn’t answer the phone when I arrived, and failed to give specific info as instructed, and I went anyway trusting he was a halfway decent person? That said, I’ve made the decision going forward to only converse and book clients who are able and willing to send a deposit. Matter of fact, everything is going to be auto-reply, and no other conversation until deposit is sent. I’ve already outlined this from the start in all ads, and first message a client will get is to confirm they read it...so they can’t play dumb and act like they didn’t read it. I tried to be lenient and chat to people, not be so harsh, but these pandemical times we are living in is requiring EXTREME measures. The bullshit ends TODAY. I thought people were becoming more understanding during these times, but they are just becoming dumb and dumber. Which means I have to also get numb and number. I don’t even want anyone starting a conversation without a deposit going forward. Point blank, period. If they can’t do it or don’t like it, next!

Well we all have to recall: back in days of rentboy and men4rent...RentMen was a quirky site to begin with. The little devil icon and spinoff of rentBOY seemed kinda odd. But they did a good thing by changing BOY to MEN. That alone gave them a stepping stone into the marketplace.

BUT...let's not assume those are the only types who hire. I was with a client the other day, and while we were cuddling in bed, I confessed: "you would normally definitely be my type" lol. Definitely a win of sorts, but just goes to show. At the same time, I wouldn't want a guy to feel like, "damm, if I'm your type, why am I paying you, shouldn't we be fucking for free then?" There's obviously different things going into play in such circumstances. With free hookups, I really only do what's convenient, considering those guys really don't go much out of their way for me. For client arrangements, I generally try to be a bit more accommodating.

I've recently re-did my ads to include 3 ABC's of booking me. It's very simple yet very specific about everything that needs mentioning lately (and for a minute, the calls and requests were being normal until they said it's safe to go out again ? A: advanced notice (even if it says available now, which needs to be changed to available today) B: be serious C: be considerate I know it sounds demanding. And I kinda miss the simpler days of not having to give instructions, by just throwing an ad up on gay.com and being available "now" or whenever the wind would blow...I just can't operate like that nowadays. I think the issue is, these guys need direction. Anyone can just slap up an ad, put up a phone number and anyone who sees it can text or call. I know Rentmen has features like not showing number for non members or registered users, but I know there still a segment who won't sign up. The super discrete types. So my whole goal is to train readers/users to recognize that if you're going to meet me, or even if you're not...get on my wavelength and read what I have up say before tapping into my line. Otherwise, they're going to come wrong, words going to get exchanged, and it's going to compromise the chance for something to happen.

So moral of the story is: who’s going to make the first move? Lol. This goes beyond escorting, and into personal life. Similar to game at a bar or bathhouse. Do you approach the guy who looks at you, or wait til he comes up to you? I have had some amazing meets with guys who looked at me, but didn’t make the first move. In fact, in “real life” pickups...the guy who looks at you in a certain way, is the guy who you should make the first move on lol. A lot of guys are either shy, or don’t like rejection. So occasionally I’ll put myself on the line and approach. At the same time, most of my encounters happen when people contact me first. I have an issue where I meet guys in public, they seem soooo talkative and like there’s a vibe going, and turns out, they have a girlfriend ? If a guy doesn’t look at you, just keep it moving...

I refer to the ones who make contact, usually asking about an appointment on the same day. I return the message, include details, and then get no response. I had a prospective client who has done the same thing, 2 or 3 other times. First contact was in January, second was in May, and then again yesterday (June). Each time, his first message would be, “Hi this is (name) in (insert city), I’m wondering if you are available for an appointment this afternoon”. I would then respond, give my info and find out how we can arrange. He would reply back once or twice, and then nothing. On the 2nd time, I thanked him for reaching out...but explained that I recall he previously reached out to me back in January, and didn’t follow up. I also said I don’t host (because they always want me to host) short notice appointments when in town, and that I need advance notice. He explains why he couldn’t reply back (and it wasn’t a good excuse at that), but then once again didn’t respond when trying to arrange over a course of a couple days. That was back in May. Then come yesterday, he hits me up again, saying we tried to meet before...but if I can meet last minute. So I once again tell him the same thing that I told him in May, about me needing advanced notice. I mentioned I could meet soon if he hosted, but I would need more time to go over to the location where I host. Sure enough, I got no response. So at this point, he’s flushed toilet paper to me. Reached out later that evening, and told him he needs to reimburse me for this last “false start” he keeps doing. His excuse? He didn’t actually set up an appointment. But does it matter? He’s contacted me 3 times over the course of 6 months, and bailed on each. That comes off to me, like he really doesn’t value or care much about connecting. As a client and/or provider (since it seems this goes on both sides of the fence), how many chances do you allow for people who initiate an engagement, but then just bail out after the first or 2nd text?

Meh, I’d have to differ on this one. What’s creepy about sending a response to someone else’s Profile online? It’s not as if they sent a personal letter in the mail complete with a photo...as many insurance and retail companies do when you request a quote lol. As far as me: I do it “sometimes”. If they have a client profile picture posted, I’m more inclined to do so. And those can often turn into appointments. Usually if I need to expand or I just have extra time on my hands At the same time, as @Kevin Slater said, sometimes I rather let them reach out to me. Not to mention, we get dozens of people looking at our profile per day, and it just reminds me too much of the 9 to 5 job I used to have where I’d have to call “leads” all day long. I just don’t have the capacity or staff on hand to do that all day, everyday.