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In my experience: any kind of meeting for first time at a bathhouse or “sex shop” is bad business, regardless who’s at fault. Unless you can really trust the person or are experienced with bathhouse setups (I’ve met a client or 2 there before myself, but usually it was THEM who suggested it.) I had a client in Denver talk me into meeting him at a large sex shop with a private theater area. I was smart enough to ask him to meet me out front first before paying to go back there, but I was stupid to have even gone there in the first place because: he never showed himself, and was trying to get me to go in the back in which I would have needed to pay $10 to get in. What the fuck? You booking an escort, it’s not that kind of arrangement. I don’t think it was a case of a toxic provider, or you needing therapy. I think y'all were just a bad match and the escort wasn’t fully vetted for your compatibility. In the future: don’t agree to meet anyplace high risk, like a bathhouse, sex shop, car etc. And that police line he pulled was a very weak and lame tactic, him and his friend should have been banned from the establishment for impersonating a Police Officer. I would have reported him to the staff.

You’re right about that. I’ve heard from many guys who won’t meet in their home town even at a hotel. The Bentonville/Rogers/Fayetteville area does have potential: but the hookup scene there is so late 🚮 I’ve had back to back regrettable experiences, dealing with the dudes there outside of clients. I find it only worth going once or twice a year, even though it’s only an afternoon drive away. Last trip I did to Bentonville, I stayed for 2 days meeting 2 pre-booked clients. Before I left town, I had some “free time” and a hot “date” invited me to his hotel suite that had 2 beds and was like, “oh you can’t spend the night here, me and my husband have that agreement for hookups”. He was visiting from out of state. I was like what?? Well how about I leave now, before we go any further: that way I have enough time to figure out whether I want to stay in town or drive back home 😂 ended up just buying a couple new shirts and leaving town after that revelation lol.

Just to clarify: I don’t use the hookup apps for seeking. However, I still introduce myself where I can if someone reaches out. Sometimes something comes from it, other times not. But I have met some cool partakers from Grindr who would have otherwise not found me on RentMen because, nobody in my area knows of it. Most the guys looking for other guys in my region, are using the hookup apps. So it’s just making use of the only available resource for the most part. As for smaller markets I do agree, however there’s clients everywhere. Some of my best clients were from podunk towns. Many of the gays with money in the city, already have their tribe of hookups. It leaves me to rely on closeted or “retired from the gay nightlife” guys. That’s why I want RentMen to grow beyond just NYC and LA because the bigger cities aren’t always that great unless like you say: you’re really able to dish out tons of porn and have the marketing brand to put it out there. Which I’m doing now with content but, escort stuff is still more sustainable for me than trying to turn virtual stuff into big numbers.

I do but, I rather have genuine guys hitting me up versus seeing client after client with negative feedback. Or hearing my text alert go off, only to be offered yet another sugar daddy arrangement. But I do link my website in my ad which can be directed to my phone number Yeah or looking is ALL they’re doing. Looking but not booking. I always like to use the full 12 cities available and fill them with nearby and upcoming travel cities. However even then, RentMen.eu doesn’t really display on the main page like Rent.Men does. I’m often having to change my ad to a certain city in order to get better exposure, but then I get a lot of “are you available today/tomorrow?” But when I’m not planning to be in the area for a couple/few weeks it’s hard to ensure that same client will be available that far out. Not to mention, this year I’ve had to just bin/postpone a lot of trips either due to not enough confirmed bookings or having issues planning it. And although I travelled during the early part of the U.S. shutdown, I decided to hold on any other trips until things get situated. Plus it’s not been very booked. So lately I’ve just been advertising local within 2 hours away and then just doing other locations only once I’ve gotten a secured client before going. My regulars here know where to reach me, plus I prefer to have people contact me privately here versus actively advertising.

I’ve had to do the hidden number feature because one: too many spam sugar daddy texts day in/day out. Very annoying especially when days go by with no clients from the site. Also, too many game players would contact when my number was public. No real intention of booking and it would just detract from the enjoyment of the site.

Grindr is exactly the app I refer to not use lol. And by cheap, I don’t mean the rates they offer: I mean like, they will block/flake at any mention of being for hire and even if it’s no premise of pay for play, they often expect the other guy to cover rooms solely on their own dime and/or travel to their place even if it’s far away. Gays will grub-hub/door dash/Uber willy 🍆 nilly, but expect hookups to come for free even if it involves the other party booking hotel to host or traveling across town when it’s inconvenient to do so. RentMen is great for what it is, but I am a little annoyed that they don’t seem to be pushing to get the site on other platforms. I wish with all the annoying gaming ads Grindr has, they would advertise RentMen ads. RentMen could also be advertised on adam4adam, since many prospective there also don’t know about RentMen.

Been away, but by decided to stop back by and check on my fellow fellows… But something been on my mind, and that’s me wondering if RentMen can increase its presence. I feel it is popular in the big megapolis cities, but I’ve been going on some trips lately where I’m just not getting hardly any meets from RM. The nearest main cities to me are Kansas City, Tulsa, Wichita and St. Louis. There’s also Bentonville in Arkansas (headquarters of Walmart). I can go on hookup apps (which shall remain nameless lol) and be hit by messages left and right with people wanting to meet (often moreso pretending). Meanwhile, I can be “available now” and platinum boosted and still get nothing from RentMen for days. Granted, I’ve moved to taking my number down publicly and used the signed in member option only for displaying number. And right now I’ve frozen my ad for a few days until I’m ready to go on my travels simply because too many days have gone by in my local area without a booking from it, and in case anyone doesn’t know: Gold ad is not free, so the more it sits the more time is running out. I wish RM had the popularity of Craigslist back in the day, where it could work in just about any big or small town. However I’ve used it this year in Dallas, Houston, Denver, Nashville, Detroit, and a few other areas. I’m still getting bookings from it, but I have talked to guys in person, and many of them have no idea what RentMen is. Some cities have no ads running. Or like 1 or 2 guys. I can understand it may be hard to encourage guys to pay in a society that promotes getting sex as free and/or cheap as possible. Hookup app men are NOTORIOUSLY cheap and I’m getting to where I don’t even want to hookup outside of clients anymore, as the willingness to do even basic spending from hookup app men seems to be at an all time low. But sometimes I concern RM may lose popularity so much and then not be as lucrative of a site.

This is why for the past few years, I require a deposit good towards the session and have an option and nominal “consultation” if they want to talk to me beyond the essential details. I’ve tried to go back to the “old days”, but kept reverting back and now it’s a natural part of my meetup process. My patience dealing with flakes is best managed by limiting the amount of guys who can book without any upfront confirmation. Plus, the gay escort “scene” has been in decline: despite there being more guys, there seems to be less guys serious about booking anymore like they were 10-15 years ago. Thank hookup apps and fewer access to sites. But even then flakes have always been an issue. Just back then, PayPal, Apple Pay and cash app have made it easier than ever to incorporate. Regardless of what anyone says about deposits: there’s too many crazies and flakes out there, cat fish, guys who want to wind up the competition, etc etc. And for every 1 bad story a client has about getting scammed, we could probably name 50. Also, in-calls can typically be the ones that don’t follow thru the most. I don’t host from home anymore, I haven’t for over a year now. So there’s no way I’m going to front hotel costs without a deposit. The clients who are uncertain about a deposit, will usually book a room for our session instead, in which case I may see them at my discretion…which includes verifying room number and attendance. However when it comes to regular hookups outside of biz: it’s a different playing field. They’re more likely to be or show up to the meet. I think when money is involved, it comes with a different attitude.

Well at least you gave him something for his effort. Kind of how like the game show Jeopardy gives contestants $1,000 even if they had a 0 score. So don’t feel pissed or ripped. That said, part of it is the pitfalls of hooking up with strangers, and trying to find other options when your plan A isn’t available. And unfortunately when deciding to “go with someone else”, there’s no guarantee that other person will live up to your expectations as the 1st pick may have. And not saying you should have done this but, that’s part of why it’s good practice to be somewhat versatile “if” the opportunity presents. That way you’re not totally reliant on their dick or ass working, to get pleasure 😜

I’ve seen it happen where fairly old bills, especially from the 70s-90s: may look counterfeit on a detector and won’t be accepted by an ATM deposit machine. Couple or so years ago I had a $100 bill given by a client from like 1970s. I held onto it for a few days, but then when I went to my bank: it wouldn’t take in the ATM. The teller then tried to claim it was counterfeit after their digital scanner said so. I wasn’t in trouble, but they kept it and sent it off to the National treasury in DC. for “verification”. About 6 months later, I received a check for $100 from the bank saying it was authenticated 🤦🏽‍♂️ It seems to happen every so often I’ll get an older bill, and it’s a task to figure out where to take it. Earlier this year I was in Dallas at one bank, non of the 2 ATMs would take the bill. I went to another branch of the same company and it accepted it. There’s also a website or 2 out there, where you can look up the serial number of the bill, and it’ll be able to verify its authenticity. There’s certain things to look for. Well, not necessarily. I have had the occasional client claim they can’t take out XXX amount of money because the spouse or accountant will wonder why there’s been that much withdrawn. Overall, as an update: I don’t mind cash. However I have noticed since my initial post, more are willing to use alt methods to confirm and the cash as a main exchange. These days, just about everyone who is looking for “purchases” online has some knowledge of cash app/venmo or similar apps. Usually the ones only wanting to do cash, say so because some other advertiser scammed them on a deposit or something. Its still no guarantee of not getting scammed as I’ve heard of even cash paying clients getting “taken” for a ride. And not the one that feels good 😂

Sir by all due respect: there is no negativity or combative nature. I stated my points in this thread in a factual manner. My issue is, every time I discuss something that you find different than how YOU think or believe advertisers/sex workers should operate: you have to then make some flippant comment, or talk about how it’s whining and complaining; and that’s disrespectful. Because when you minimize someone’s experiences and discussions, and then try to poke fun: that makes you look no better. Instead of telling me what I need to do outside of the forum, why don’t you start speaking to me with some respect and credibility? Acknowledge my experiences and challenges, instead of just acting like I’m some starving artist who has no experience and knows about anything except whining and complaining? Let’s start there. Then if you actually have something positive to recommend to me, you would go out of your way, and meet or speak to me privately: not on a forum where you can earn clout.

I was simply quoting what you said. It’s fine if you decided to double-back and edit what you meant, but regardless of how you sweet n low or Splenda it up: You can’t get miffed because I agreed with what YOU said 🤷🏾‍♂️ Yes the numbers will show that the average and majority on RM are flakes and regardless of which side it is, browser or advertiser: we both have to do things to protect their time. However, it’s never going to carry the same weight. I’m not really here to say how clients should do that. I’m just making suggestion as it pertains to this topic of deposits.

And, what are you going to do about it? Don’t like it, stop reading it ✌you have so much to say, yet so little alternative to offer. You’re part of the pack mentality I refer. Big part.

Dude, stop ✋🏾 You’re always talking about somebody whining, complaining and moaning. YOU are the one doing it the most! All I said is, if someone is LOOKING on a site where those who are there are paying $100 to advertise: there shouldn’t be a surprise if there are some who choose to ask for a monetary confirmation. I don’t know where you get $100 for a ad being a reason to take deposits. I was referring to the costs of doing other things, such as upfront hotel and/or travel or even just local outcalls where the possibility of getting stood up is present.

BINGO 🎰 You said it 👏🏽 the “average” RM browser is potentially a flake. That’s the #1 reason for the deposits to begin with. The answer answered itself lol. And trust me, I will: I’ve learned too many times not to. If someone thinks we should cover the burden of expenses, they can send me their cash app or other app so I can request money when I need to pay $100 for a hotel plus put down $100 extra for “incidentals” for a client who hasn’t paid a deposit. That’ll have some putting money where their mouth is lol.

That’s because some here tend to have a pack mentality. Deposits are not terribly received by the average person on RentMen. There is also no average client on RM either. And, if someone isn’t willing to send a deposit, they need to not be surfing 🏄🏾‍♂️ websites where guys have to pay upwards of $100 or more a month to list on, and sell services. It’s not a hookup app. If someone is going to pay, they’re going to pay. If they’re BSing they’re going to BS. With or without. Deposits are a very small fraction of the bigger picture.

Ha ha ha. That’s so funny. Not 👎🏾 The other solution is, just blame the flaky escort and sit and let it happen again next time…. And allow others to continue to convey that RELIABLE escorts have to suffer the sins of those who have no business relation with us. Of course it’s easier for some people to naysay the escort, versus thinking critically to see the situation as it is. If I were an escort and it was a client in the situation: I would have always reached out to the regular FIRST anyway. Any time I go to a city, as often as I travel, I’m always touching base with the favorite or the most reliable. I’d still take new bookings but, it’s not like I’m going to turn down someone I know is reliable, in favor of a wild card 🃏 who might not show or follow thru at all. I’m always going to have a contingency plan. The person you clapped your hands to, took things out of context by throwing in a completely different dynamic that had nothing to do with what I was suggesting. #1 Many of the flakes and cancellations I discuss, tend to be those who initiate. It’s not like I’m hitting them up. Therefore, they have a bigger duty to keep their word. And #2: why would someone even say that when this whole topic is referencing an epidemic of Timewasters? Geez, the attitude here, so Grinchy this time of year. Reminds me of the word “Dallitude”. But I can do quotes too:

And I’ll just add one more thing: requesting a booking at noon for a traveling provider is bad juju off the bat. I can almost imagine, this provider decided he didn’t want to pay his hotel for an extra day to accommodate the 1 noon client, if he had more bookings elsewhere. Or had a bunch of flakes. He may have gone to the next city for another opportunities, versus the one that was scheduled. It’s shitty yes, but it’s the possibilities that can occur. I never accept a noon client when hosting unless he can provide a deposit, which I then can use to either pay for late checkout, or reserve an extra night all together if I feel the desire to use the room for an extra day also. I often tell people and say in my ads: after 11 am to about 2:30 pm is a no zone for me if I’m in a hotel. Unless I’m booking it for more than 1 night, it’s usually too early to check in or too close to checkout time to host. I always suggest people meet before 10:30/11 or after 2:30/3 p.m. Hotels have gotten awful at giving late checkout. Minneapolis hotels charge if you’re a minute late after noon. Ever since Covid, many in the big cities are banging on doors rushing people out BEFORE checkout time.

Listen, ma’am or dude. If you choose to interpret it that way: without reading between lines of what the message was saying, that’s YOUR burden to carry. I’m simply offering an alternative solution. Clearly it didn’t work out to well in his end, because he got flaked on and then couldn’t get in touch with the favorite guy. So stop with the bullshit, okay. Don’t try to dredge up comments that detract from the message. I wasn’t even talking to you anyway, so…why are you here arguing with me? I was offering a reasonable solution, when I really shouldn’t have done that considering he’s come at me sideways in the past. But I’m just giving suggestions on how to save face without losing opportunity. And don’t come in here lying and saying I’ve dropped people in my personal life for someone else. You’re crossing the line, and that’s going to lose credibility real quick. I never said anything like that. I simply said I have occasionally BEEN FACED WITH having to choose between plans with a new person and plans with someone trusted. This includes but not limited to: friends who may want me to hangout versus a client who hits me up at the last minute. There’s a way to preserve both plans without leaving someone hanging. It’s called having a Plan B. He didn’t have a Plan B because he told the regular guy, “I’m not available, sorry”. When he should have said, “I may be available, but can I let you know by like 11 a.m. tomorrow if I’m free?” That way soon as the flake didn’t respond, he could have had a time deadline to get in touch with his regular guy by. Now he’s scrambling like an egg to find a new guy, at the last minute…who’s probably also going to flake on him. And then he’s going to come on here and say HE should get a deposit. For what? What money on ads and hotel did he spend?

Any cutting into bookings, would likely be cut into anyway when the client flakes the day of. Occasionally I’ll come across potential clients from other platforms that aren’t dedicated advertising sites. I may offer to meet them without deposits to help facilitate the meeting. Most still end up having something “come up”, as shown below: I was not even surprised, because we were initially supposed to been meeting last night. But it’s like, why you texting me at goddamn 8 a.m.? Annoying. I actually checked his message before 9 but: that’s what I have to start my day with, bad news? Guys lately are just flaky across the board. This is why I advise myself and others grappling with reliability in the cities: explore the outer regions away from big cities or areas that don’t have as much accessible avenues to hooking up. Many of these larger/high COL cities are full of indecisive guys who are self important and playing the field. And not just talking San Francisco/Washington D.C. but even places like Denver, Phoenix, Nashville, etc just have flakes up the ass because so many ads. And referring back to the post about the masseur who flaked: again I don’t condone that and those types tend to be part of the problem. Deposit or no deposit; flaking on bookings on either side hurts the business. However, I don’t think providers should have to carry the burden of someone else who doesn’t keep their word. And I’ve said before: situations like @Ali Gator claimed, did not lose money from the other guy not showing up. On the other hand, advertisers have to risk losing a booking + hotel/travel expenses -+ potential clients. 3 TIMES the monetary loss a client may face. The comparison just isn’t the same.

I didn’t misread the situation. I read exactly the situation he described. The reason why I worded it as I did, is because the ending of the post turned the deposit around to say he should be paid one. That’s when I was like, okay if you say it like that: let’s look at the big picture. I’m not condoning the provider who flaked at all. I’m just saying, IF he knows his FAVORITE REGULAR provider reach out to him (and I don’t know the exact timing of it all, whether minutes or hours): he could have simply prioritized the regular and offered/suggested a cancellation courtesy. I’ve had clients do that before for other reasons. I would not be mad with that. OR even better: Told the regular “I would love to see you while you’re in town, but I may have some obligations that affect whether I can.” And then offer HIS REGULAR the cancellation fee IF the other guy came thru as planned. I know it sounds a bit more tactful than the average client thinks about but, it’s a way to preserve options while still maintaining integrity. And when you’re playing the field reaching out to multiple guys, that’s part of something to practice. Even in regular hookups, and clients: I have to practice that same strategy myself sometimes. I’m not leaving anyone on the hook, but I’m also not just telling them no outright, because shit may change. Especially when dealing with flaky internet or app guys.

This is understandable, and I can see the benefits. But the time I had did a part time job in addition to this, I ended up leaving after a couple months I think. I was missing bookings, while expecting to meet the company deadlines. They also scheduled me from 3 to 9 pm, which is Prime time for when clients want bookings. A good paying job probably can be more secure, however there’s some gigs out there that can clash. I also know friends with regular and remote jobs, but instead of escorting: they’re just out fucking for free. Their 1 or 2 jobs is enough, than to add on the extra workload of trying to create a brand, be available short notice, being able to host last minute, having a clean apartment all the time, etc. So a regular payroll job is an option, but I don’t think it’s a solution to some client’s unreliable and sketchy behavior. There has to be more strategies to resolve that, than having a regular job. I would hate to have a regular job, AND deal with a bunch of timewasters after work.

Sir, by all due respect: based on the story you’ve described: You wasted your own damn time. You’re going around reaching out to strangers at the last minute (even if it’s the next day, it’s still last minute for some), but you could have first reached out to your reliable favorite instead. Or you could have accepted the booking when your regular contacted you, and offered the other a small cancellation fee as a courtesy. Why would you trade a reliable person for something speculative? When you try to play the field and be slick, it can bite ya in the ass. Too many clients are probably doing the same. You’re definitely not entitled to a deposit though. Since you like to compare our industry to other industries: what freelance or small business you know, is paying deposits TO clients? Name one. And while you’re at it, name another business that is sending out paid product in the mail or via NEXT DAY DELIVERY without any form of payment to confirm beforehand? If you can do that: I will give you $100 🤣 Some people think they know everything, and want to stipulate how the business should compare and operate to others. In reality, it’s rather simple, as I explained in the post above yours. Some of these clients are busy playing games, and aren’t being honest with others. And even with deposits like I do, I still have to occasionally put sense to them. Some will give one, and not keep their word. Expecting the deposit to either cover the loss of funds, or be sufficient towards a session weeks later (it’s not). Had someone text me this earlier this week. This guy is notorious for not keeping his appointments, even after confirming. Usually citing something with work/mood/timing/made other plans etc. I finally told him I can’t be bothered (I even blocked him earlier this year, and he came back around AGAIN. Gave him a chance, does the same stuff AGAIN. Now he’s blocked AGAIN lol). This is not the energy I want during holidays, but some of these guys find arguing with sex workers entertaining I guess. Thats why in addition to deposits, I’ve had to add consultation fees because, texting some of them is too much work complimentary.

Based on the many things in news and politics going on right now: My response to that is people need to stop being so eager to meet with these guys claiming to be from other countries, specifically from places like South America or Cuba. People overlook the local American guys, want to ignore Black escorts who used to be able to do better in many cities: in favor of these South American fly by nights promising the world, and then wonder why they get scammed: Are international thieves exploiting tourist visas to target pro-athletes' homes? WWW.NBCNEWS.COM NBA and NFL players have been recently targeted by brazen burglars who might be in the United States on... The NBA memo, citing FBI intelligence, specifically linked the crimes to “transnational South American Theft Groups” that target “professional athletes and other high-net-worth individuals.” And telling providers to not accept deposits IS NOT the solution. In the cases you presented, I have to wonder what real background you seen in the Ad, to verify it was a legit provider. Someone saying they’re willing to “do anything” is fraudulent from the start. No boundaries/rules=easy bait.

Idk, but I bet if it was man: they’d definitely be feeling different back there and wonder at the very least: if the partner was up to something. Whatever the case, it was just really shitty. And to have the other guys get convicted too: that is just beyond grimy.