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Any cutting into bookings, would likely be cut into anyway when the client flakes the day of. Occasionally I’ll come across potential clients from other platforms that aren’t dedicated advertising sites. I may offer to meet them without deposits to help facilitate the meeting. Most still end up having something “come up”, as shown below: I was not even surprised, because we were initially supposed to been meeting last night. But it’s like, why you texting me at goddamn 8 a.m.? Annoying. I actually checked his message before 9 but: that’s what I have to start my day with, bad news? Guys lately are just flaky across the board. This is why I advise myself and others grappling with reliability in the cities: explore the outer regions away from big cities or areas that don’t have as much accessible avenues to hooking up. Many of these larger/high COL cities are full of indecisive guys who are self important and playing the field. And not just talking San Francisco/Washington D.C. but even places like Denver, Phoenix, Nashville, etc just have flakes up the ass because so many ads. And referring back to the post about the masseur who flaked: again I don’t condone that and those types tend to be part of the problem. Deposit or no deposit; flaking on bookings on either side hurts the business. However, I don’t think providers should have to carry the burden of someone else who doesn’t keep their word. And I’ve said before: situations like @Ali Gator claimed, did not lose money from the other guy not showing up. On the other hand, advertisers have to risk losing a booking + hotel/travel expenses -+ potential clients. 3 TIMES the monetary loss a client may face. The comparison just isn’t the same.

I didn’t misread the situation. I read exactly the situation he described. The reason why I worded it as I did, is because the ending of the post turned the deposit around to say he should be paid one. That’s when I was like, okay if you say it like that: let’s look at the big picture. I’m not condoning the provider who flaked at all. I’m just saying, IF he knows his FAVORITE REGULAR provider reach out to him (and I don’t know the exact timing of it all, whether minutes or hours): he could have simply prioritized the regular and offered/suggested a cancellation courtesy. I’ve had clients do that before for other reasons. I would not be mad with that. OR even better: Told the regular “I would love to see you while you’re in town, but I may have some obligations that affect whether I can.” And then offer HIS REGULAR the cancellation fee IF the other guy came thru as planned. I know it sounds a bit more tactful than the average client thinks about but, it’s a way to preserve options while still maintaining integrity. And when you’re playing the field reaching out to multiple guys, that’s part of something to practice. Even in regular hookups, and clients: I have to practice that same strategy myself sometimes. I’m not leaving anyone on the hook, but I’m also not just telling them no outright, because shit may change. Especially when dealing with flaky internet or app guys.

This is understandable, and I can see the benefits. But the time I had did a part time job in addition to this, I ended up leaving after a couple months I think. I was missing bookings, while expecting to meet the company deadlines. They also scheduled me from 3 to 9 pm, which is Prime time for when clients want bookings. A good paying job probably can be more secure, however there’s some gigs out there that can clash. I also know friends with regular and remote jobs, but instead of escorting: they’re just out fucking for free. Their 1 or 2 jobs is enough, than to add on the extra workload of trying to create a brand, be available short notice, being able to host last minute, having a clean apartment all the time, etc. So a regular payroll job is an option, but I don’t think it’s a solution to some client’s unreliable and sketchy behavior. There has to be more strategies to resolve that, than having a regular job. I would hate to have a regular job, AND deal with a bunch of timewasters after work.

Sir, by all due respect: based on the story you’ve described: You wasted your own damn time. You’re going around reaching out to strangers at the last minute (even if it’s the next day, it’s still last minute for some), but you could have first reached out to your reliable favorite instead. Or you could have accepted the booking when your regular contacted you, and offered the other a small cancellation fee as a courtesy. Why would you trade a reliable person for something speculative? When you try to play the field and be slick, it can bite ya in the ass. Too many clients are probably doing the same. You’re definitely not entitled to a deposit though. Since you like to compare our industry to other industries: what freelance or small business you know, is paying deposits TO clients? Name one. And while you’re at it, name another business that is sending out paid product in the mail or via NEXT DAY DELIVERY without any form of payment to confirm beforehand? If you can do that: I will give you $100 🤣 Some people think they know everything, and want to stipulate how the business should compare and operate to others. In reality, it’s rather simple, as I explained in the post above yours. Some of these clients are busy playing games, and aren’t being honest with others. And even with deposits like I do, I still have to occasionally put sense to them. Some will give one, and not keep their word. Expecting the deposit to either cover the loss of funds, or be sufficient towards a session weeks later (it’s not). Had someone text me this earlier this week. This guy is notorious for not keeping his appointments, even after confirming. Usually citing something with work/mood/timing/made other plans etc. I finally told him I can’t be bothered (I even blocked him earlier this year, and he came back around AGAIN. Gave him a chance, does the same stuff AGAIN. Now he’s blocked AGAIN lol). This is not the energy I want during holidays, but some of these guys find arguing with sex workers entertaining I guess. Thats why in addition to deposits, I’ve had to add consultation fees because, texting some of them is too much work complimentary.

Based on the many things in news and politics going on right now: My response to that is people need to stop being so eager to meet with these guys claiming to be from other countries, specifically from places like South America or Cuba. People overlook the local American guys, want to ignore Black escorts who used to be able to do better in many cities: in favor of these South American fly by nights promising the world, and then wonder why they get scammed: Are international thieves exploiting tourist visas to target pro-athletes' homes? WWW.NBCNEWS.COM NBA and NFL players have been recently targeted by brazen burglars who might be in the United States on... The NBA memo, citing FBI intelligence, specifically linked the crimes to “transnational South American Theft Groups” that target “professional athletes and other high-net-worth individuals.” And telling providers to not accept deposits IS NOT the solution. In the cases you presented, I have to wonder what real background you seen in the Ad, to verify it was a legit provider. Someone saying they’re willing to “do anything” is fraudulent from the start. No boundaries/rules=easy bait.

Idk, but I bet if it was man: they’d definitely be feeling different back there and wonder at the very least: if the partner was up to something. Whatever the case, it was just really shitty. And to have the other guys get convicted too: that is just beyond grimy.

And granted, I’ve taken bookings like that (with M4M couples) but generally try to chat to ensure they’re “all there”. There are some who just want to watch from a distance. But not trying to walk into some secret situation blindly. There’s another article on Reuters that details even further: The youngest suspect was just 22 when he entered Gisele Pelicot's bedroom, while the oldest was in his early 70s. The defendants come from all walks of life - lorry drivers, soldiers, firefighters, security guards, farm workers, a supermarket worker, a journalist and the unemployed. Dominique Pelicot had worked as an electrician and estate agent. https://apple.news/AuG6yKRRSSY6Jgam4b_D_xw I can’t imagine only he was inviting these guys, I almost bet he had to have been pretending he was her. And based on their occupations, I’d have to wonder if any got paid for any of it. Just because there’s not a whole lot of people I would hope, just readily taking up offers to be with someone’s wife.

I was reading about this a couple times and just seen the latest today. This is part of why I’ve always been reluctant to accept bookings that start with, “I want you to be a surprise for my wife/husband/neighbor etc.” right along with, “come in the room and find me face down, and rape me even if I say no, it’s a fantasy”. As the story details, the ones who were engaging also were convicted in the case. Which sucks but: this is why it’s always important to talk to both parties before engaging in a couples/3way event. Make sure both are coherent and consensual.

Tampa is my hometown and former stomping grounds (though I always had a a greater preference for Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Orlando). I admire you being willing to move to a city without any prior visiting. Back in the 90s and early 2000s, Tampa was very racist and homophobic. Since then they’ve cleaned up a bit but…there’s still pockets of intolerance. And I would ONLY go there as a single male because, the schools there were rough. My parents moved us to the suburbs halfway thru middle school. That said: Idk a whole lot about Tampa scene since it’s changed a lot over the years with gentrification. However last time I was there 2020 and 2022, some areas have still remained the same. The area you working at, you may want to consider also Brandon area. It’s only 10 miles approximate from the Ybor area, and it’s also tends to be newer homes. There’s some gay activity but mostly online. However I used to have friends there I met all the time. There’s also New/North Tampa which is growing and newer homes but: even if you find what you like, 275 traffic can be a B-itch. 75 not too bad but, 75 is one of those “thru ways” that can have traffic from travelers going to Sarasota/SW Florida from Canada and every other state in the country. All my classmates were from Massachusetts, NY, Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, Kentucky, Connecticut, etc etc lol. I wouldn’t recommend St. Pete/Clearwater unless you don’t mind the drive, however if only have to go into the office a couple days a week: that area is actually more gay friendly than Tampa. Also keep in mind: westshore area is nice but it’s a flood prone area. With the increasing hurricane intensity, as I’ve said in previous threads: you may want to consider area away from water and not under large oak trees. Unfortunately Tampa is notorious for large oak trees, but a newer home you may not have that issue. Here’s a little helper map pointing out the areas I suggested:

Sir, by all respect: there was no petulant name calling. I simply stated that his stance was bitchy. And it was. This post is not asking, “what medications should I get on”. It’s talking about rates. To circumvent that and turn the focus towards me in a condescending way: is bitchy. There’s no question about it. He wasn’t well intentioned, at all. He was just trying to shut me up, and further use pharmaceutical background to give it more clout. I just don’t understand why you feel the need to keep throwing me under the bus around these people here? I thought we had an understanding and camaraderie. You don’t have to put me down, to make yourself look better. Stop band wagon jumping with these people around here, and see the discussion for what it is. If a friend really had my best interest in mind, they wouldn’t be coming here trying to double up on criticism…like you’re doing. You’re giving contradictory stances: one minute you’re understanding where I’m coming from, next minute you’re siding with the forum down players. You can’t flip flop, and then expect things to be all good with that person.

It’s showing me more and more, people around here can’t handle discussions. I’m actually going to leave here after this year. I can handle disagreements, but I can’t handle people who want to stoop so low and judge people’s character or in this case: cross examine someone’s mental capacity. We’re in a time of crisis right now. I don’t want to get political or in detail, but the evidence is all around. People don’t know how to talk to each other or hash out their disagreements, without firing shots. It’s amazing some people get bent out of shape, when the discussion isn’t even singling them out.

What’s funny is, I have in this ad: please text me the following details direct at the number shown on my card. Name: Host or Travel: City You’re In: Time desired: Which goes to my regular message number. What do they do? Read nothing. And instead text me at this number. It’s a filter that tells me: “They didn’t read anything in my ad. They’re just attention farming 🐄 🌽 .” In continuation: This is exactly why my RentMen and RentMasseur ads do not have phone numbers publicly visible. This particular website these numbers are coming from, there isn’t the option to not have a phone number. Many inquiries don’t follow directions. They don’t introduce. I appreciate the ones who do but, idk what’s up with these lately.

And it’s so funny that people rather resort to making me out to blame, but then when I give real world evidence of the type of stuff that MAKES me feel a certain way to want to discuss it…where’s the suggestion to those clients to get on mood medication? Why can’t clients here just encourage others to man up and just do better? Why does it always have to turn against the escort? I have a screen shot of a separate line I use for a website: it’s so proliferate with nonsense that, I can’t even give my 2nd AD phone number out. I have to use a 3rd number, which I only check sparingly. This is the type of stuff I get: Yes, people not speaking in complete sentences means I need to see a therapist? By all means, sign me up 🤣

Jesus Christ. I don’t normally say that in vain but…whew. I can’t. You are taking things above and beyond the level of seriousness required. First of all, I’m not afraid to admit I’ve been to therapy/counseling. It worked, but it didn’t necessarily change the dynamics of how life as a single, gay, Black man who does sex work in America….works. Sorry. I simply was able to understand things more. And my counselor happened to be a married, gay Black man himself. I got a whole lot of anger in your post. To petition the moderators to ban me for 60 days, are you on medication yourself? Because that’s pretty harsh. I could see if you wrote me privately but to say it in front of everyone? That’s bitchy. You have some audacity trying to suggest prescribing medications, without even knowing my health history or doing any in person evaluation on me. How about you include the side effects of taking such medications, before you use that as a way to shut me down without actually addressing a single issue in this thread. Goodbye. GTFO 👋🏾

Well don’t forget: you’re overseas in a legalized area. So you have to #1: acknowledge that. Firstly. I thank you for your advice, but as you’ve said: it’s more specific to how you operate and do things. Unfortunately, the business doesn’t just exist with you. Between you and some other guys on this thread: there is a tendency to say what works for you, but then ignore others specific circumstances. I’m not morphing anything, the variables have already been established by default. I even said it to what’s his name, the troll from earlier: city by city and state by state, there are demographics in place that can’t easily be mitigated. But I’m trying to do the best to my ability. And funnily enough, I’m still getting 150 offers. Instead of getting upset, I’m assessing whether it’ll be worth it…or if I could customize a session that may work for them, without losing my value and worth. But, the 800 session I had the other day, whew…that was NICE. I’m hoping 2025 is a year of greater prosperity 🎺

Well that’s your alternative to someone else, but it’s not a solution to someone actively in the business. We’re talking about within a business. If I wanted to talk about other job possibilities, I’d be on a whole other website. But what about helping that person in ways that could help the industry as a whole? Instead of it being all about you and what you do or don’t have to do: I said it earlier, I suggested RentMen and Masseur allow us a more customizable approach when clients click our number. They’ve done the right thing by providing a message, but it’s the same old message every escort has on their profile. How about coming together and coming up with solutions for better change on the websites and other avenues. But if you’re too busy playing devil's advocate, you’re not going to see how things could be improved.

Now see, I was with you 100%, about to mark your reply as the “solution”, until the last sentence. Was the snippy exit necessary? Probably not. Like I told someone else, no need to answer on my behalf. And also don’t assume you know what I want to hear. I’m just responding to your posts that’s all. When it comes to opinions, it’s easy to say don’t do this and don’t that PERIOD. But what’s the alternative? If I were to turn down a $200 booking (hypothetically speaking), who’s going to pick up on the phone bill? The hotel for the night? The automo-bill insurance? No I do not, like to accept less than what I know I have to offer for a session. Yes I understand what my value and worth is. No I don’t encourage haggling. Yes I am willing to walk away from money sometimes. No I’m not desperate and willing to see anybody for any dollar. Yes I’m aware there’s plenty of clients out there that, even if one can’t pay the rate, another may very well be able to. But with all that said: at the end of the day, if I can make something work and the person is willing and serious about the booking: I reserve the right to take it, if it suits the situation. I don’t necessarily have the privilege to turn down every booking that isn’t my rate though.

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I reserve the option to correct something if I feel it didn’t represent what I said. A discussion forum shouldn’t be a one way street. I think this is where you and others get offended: you want to say something, and then for me to say nothing. How is that resolving anything? I’m not going to yes and agree with every comment, IF it’s taking something I say out of context. You said, what YOU thought I meant. And I corrected you. That’s not what I said. I’m not just going to say, “oh okay, I won’t do that anymore”. On top of that, people are giving conflicting advice, so I have to reply back. You have one guy telling me, “lower your rates if you’re not busy”, then I have you telling me, “don’t ever lower your rates even if you’re not busy, leave the business instead”. Everyone has the option to give opinions. I don’t know why some people here act like they’re paid professional advisories for the society of escort affairs. Everybody has an opinion, and I can trade my thoughts as I please. I’m tired of people thinking they can dictate my decisions and circumstances, as if I have no sense or experience of my own to know how to make things work. This whole topic was simply me discussing a common price naming observation, namely the $100-$150-$200 realm. People took the opportunity to get offended and throw out personal statements and rumors about multiple accounts that have no basis..

You could have just stopped here. Once again, you are still saying I’m talking about Blackness. You keep addressing what’s convenient for you to address, but totally ignore or skip over everything else I said. Did you read ANYTHING I posted above? You can’t even say anything relevant about the info I posted. If you actually took the time to read it, instead of being a vitriol queen all the time; maybe you can learn something. And then maybe you could leave your personal qualms elsewhere. But if you just keep coming on here, and keep talking the same noise everytime I say something about Black: then you aren’t getting the message. For all the talk about me complaining, you come on every thread I post and say something negative or contradicting. If you don’t like it, leave. I’m giving you permission and the option, to leave. If you don’t like what I post so much, you don’t have to come on. I’m really bewildered. If you feel a certain way about things I post, then exclude yourself.

Mister: you are a piece of work (and I’m censoring that A LOT) You know that? If you’re going to ask me a question, at least have the decency to let me respond to it. To go and answer it for me yourself, and then try to make some comparison: you sound hella vindictive, #1. And #2, I said nothing specific about WHITE people expecting something for free. The point wasn’t an issue about racism, it was about accessibility. Again: you’re so quick to make presumptions about me, that you put your foot in your mouth. Let me educate you, genius: Most of my clients are White. However, I also know that Black clients don’t always book us in the same proportion as White clients do. I live near a city that is about 28% Black. That sounds like a small number, but the actual Black population of the U.S. in general is: And notice where most of that concentration lies: mainly in the south and east. There’s an entire south side section of the city nearest to me, that is majority Black. Guess how many clients have booked me in those areas? Next to non. Most who book me tend to be the White or Hispanic guys who live in the adjacent suburban area to the west. They are the ones often booking me, sending deposits, showing up, or traveling thru. I don’t even work in the main city, because the Black population is so high to the extent that many of the potential clients, have already gotten to meet willing Black guys who are willing to hookup with them for free. I’ve seen it first hand myself. I go out to the bars in my local Midwest area, many of the Black guys are with White partners. What I don’t see is a whole lot of openly out Black couples together. Which goes to show, it’s not JUST “white people being racist”. I never said that in the first place, but you’re another person here who needs context to understand what I am referring to. It’s an accessibility thing, and I have seen how accessibility can make businesses more or less productive. I do better in Minneapolis with 10% Black population, than I have in Chicago with over 30%. Since you’re so smart, maybe you can figure out why that might be the case. And FYI, the only thing “shining thru” is my many reviews and content posted that clients love and enjoy. Why you are stuck on playing thorn on my side all the time, I don’t know why. And people like you, I don’t trust too much anyway because you’ll go and praise some Black guys or name drop, but then turn around and put another one down when they speak their mind or talk about something you don’t want to hear.

Babe, you don’t have to tell me what I did or didn’t say earlier. I know exactly what I said and what I meant. You just misinterpreted it differently and thought I was applying that in the manner you described. Listen carefully: I rather offer different levels of options because I know that different clients have different needs and desires. I don’t necessarily think it’s fair to charge a client who’s just looking for less, the same as another who’s looking for more. You may feel you rather charge 1 hourly price for everything, but that’s not always real world what’s happening. And yes I can say no, no, no to anything less than a certain amount: but I know from experience that it doesn’t always equate to lowering my value or worth. They may just be seeing my ad in town for the first time, and don’t have the budget for my higher sessions. I know of people who be like: “my rate is $300”. That’s ALL they offer. Is just $300. And guess what? It offers no flexibility. RentMasseur offers all these options, which I’ve left unchecked to show all the choices: This is the new updated RentMasseur. So obviously they thought about it enough to realize providers CAN AND SHOULD, have the option to list multiple rates. Now if you think I’m just going to go down the list and put the same rate for every option: you have me mistaken.

Amen 🇺🇸 And I’ll add too: it can come even outside of the business. That’s why I don’t buy into people telling me to “leave the business” just because they don’t like topics I post. It’s deeper than just a small talk, break room talk (and I’ve known people come home everyday and talk to me about their coworkers, customers, bosses, etc. yet still work there) Over the summer, I met with a guy: we went on 2 dates/fucked on a weekend. Both times I invited him up to the place I was bunking at: a friend’s office/studio since I was visiting from out of state. Great times. Well the next time I came to town, I ask if we could make arrangements to stay at his place, because my friend’s office studio was unavailable that week. You know what he says? “Oh I don’t feel comfortable with you spending the night over at my place”. 🤨 I gave him a nice kiss off, and went on about my business. That’s why I’m so tired of phony people and why I much rather deal with clients. I’ve had clients with much bigger homes than these typical gay scene guys out here creeping and sleeping around. Clients have occasionally said: “here’s the key, make yourself comfortable”. So no, I don’t have to leave the business. If someone can’t handle shop talk, there’s no obligation to participate. I talk about stuff because it’s not necessarily possible to discuss on ads or in every client situation. Why people want to come here and start making guesses about someone’s character, is senseless. I’m glad that I’ve found an enclave of sex workers away from this forum, who are more transparent and open to discussions without worrying about losing the limelight of potential clients. AND SPEAKING of St. Louis, referring to another poster: the only person I’ve been able to rely on when I go there, happens to be a client friend I’ve known since 2020. All the other people outside of clients I’ve met there have been fake as hell, or they turn their nose up just because I’m not “Black enough” or “White enough” or soon as I reveal I’m in the industry, they turn their nose up and start whispering to their friends, before ghosting you for no reason. So I don’t need anyone telling me what is and isn’t a wasteland. I’m hoping to potentially move to Los Angeles next year. I’ve wasted half of my 30s living in areas that don’t really do me justice. If that falls thru, I’ll need a intervention 😭

Let me clarify: a lower price as in the lower price that I already offer as part of my tier level sessions. Not in the sense of: “I’ll lower the price” just because I’m asked to. Any expectation set will be: this does not include everything…so don’t give me that, “my regular masseur massages me and fucks me for $120” nonsense (true stories).

$100 is an awful price, unless it’s just what’s left of what I deposit into the bank lol. But you’d be surprised. There’s cities in the USA, that’s what guys offer. Like I said earlier, I’ve worked tirelessly to move beyond that. I try to go more for longer bookings, but if I can’t for whatever reason: $200 is the bare minimum. And that’s a good point you make, because I’m tired of people like @PhileasFogg saying stuff like, “well if you’re not busy, you need to take what you can get”. Fuck that. People’s logic sometimes 🤨 If anything, when things are slower I actually don’t want to do anything for cheap honestly. There’s cities I advertise in, that I won’t go unless I get booked for 2 hour or longer sessions. Anything less not worth it. When I’m busy off my feet, that’s when I might not mind doing massage for a lower price. Just because, it accentuates what I’ve already made. But I’m not going to waste gas, wear and tear and think: “I’ll book 5 guys for $100 each”. THAT, is insanity. Because those $100 guys won’t even appreciate that rate and will likely flake too. The less one charges, the less they respect. That’s a deposit anyway, not a rate.