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Good word 👏🏽 I especially emphasize the part when you say “waiting around on the off chance”. I understand and can even appreciate guys seeing my ad and wanting to meet right away. But I really don’t like being “assumed” that I’m available just out the blue. I know gay sex has happened like that for millions of years before the advent of cell phones, but it doesn’t mean that it needs to stay that way. Fortunately, as I’m getting “older” (older as in mid 30s versus early 20s) I’m finding clients are more willing to schedule ahead, but that also makes me expect less that I “have to” do last minute visits. At the same time...I’ve met a lot of great clients who just happened to want to meet the same day, and not always with a whole lot of notice. Which is okay.

Wow. That’s odd considering one must log on in order to be available, unless one is doing so via the RentMen chat app (which I appreciate them for doing for the very shy guys, but I don’t conduct biz thru it and simply have an auto-reply on).

Here’s my thing: I don’t feel like bottoms should “dominate” their tops. I’m not saying that’s what you were doing, but to me it can be a turn off. It’s one thing to ask for what you want, it’s another thing to dictate how a top should fuck you. Let the Top fuck you the way he wants to fuck you. Long as it’s not a case of you needing extra gentle, the idea of “bossing” a top around is somewhat contradictive. As for charging more for certain services: Some of those you mentioned are included in some price points, others it isn’t. I don’t charge per “act”, I go by per experience. There’s vanilla experience price and then there’s blow your mind price point. Priced accordingly. That said, anything too outlandishly freaky... I’ve learned to just not accept. Just because I’m a provider advertising on a site, doesn’t mean I will agree to any and everything. I no longer agree to do certain activities especially, with new clients. I want to exude the idea of having sex with Trey Songz, not Mr. T 😆

Just curious, not trying to player-hate on anyone’s game. But this is a Question for clients and providers alike. I don’t often cruise ads of other providers, but I do log onto RentMen nearly daily to check my messages/pics/updates. One thing I notice, it’s often a select few guys who are always “available now”. Whether they actually are available or not is one thing, but to me I wonder if there’s any real benefit to doing so. Or even more so, slightly suspicious looking. I personally only occasionally post “available now”. In reality, I’m rarely ever available now, and even if I am: it’s not how I prefer to arrange appointments. Not to mention, many guys looking in the moment don’t want to wait or expect unrealistic arrival times. How much luck of a draw is it, to think one can text/call a masseur/escort out the blue with no advanced planning, and expect them to arrive/be able to host in 20-30 minutes? Can one actually expect to get a provider who’s in their best, out of that? So idk, it makes me wonder. I may post available now, but I still require a 1 to 2 hour minimum notice. I wish RentMen would have it as “available today” versus “available now”, to avoid any unrealistic expectations. Not to mention the most obvious thing: I hardly get any texts or calls looking to meet now; when I post available now, anyway. So it’s really pointless to do so most days. So it makes me wonder why certain guys are always “available now” round the clock, to begin with.

The only sites I use now in 2021: Rentmen RentMass Adam4Adam Satellite sites include this forum, Twitter (and Twitter is like the art gallery crawl of porn/escorting...mainly for display/getting name out there) and my JFF platform. Very rarely I’ll use Grindr, and only in certain markets (sleepy towns with low competition and a wealthy base). That said, I am content with the level of responses just from those 3 main sites. I used to lament on the fact that websites were being taken away, but in reality: it starts becoming a money pit when you’re paying (rebill discount not included) $99 on men4rent (defunct), $99 on rentboy (defunct), $99 on RentMen, and $99 on a combination of A4A, Craigslist and backpage. No matter how much I could make, $200-$400 a month on advertising is excessive considering flakes, hotels/travel, and overall dead days. I’m okay keeping these websites out of my pockets. I know there’s also jock2go, but sometimes it gets to a point where you’re paying to be on the same sites that clients are going to be looking at over and over anyway. I’m sure there’s a perk to being seen over and over...but I like to concentrate on 2-4 ads, really work them and build them, and stay on top. When you have 5-6-10 ads floating around on the net, it can be hard to keep them all up to date. I tried mintboys, but after getting a really weird client who bullshitted me for weeks (fake pics, fake name, fake job description, emotionally needy, liar, never paid a deposit and flaked) AND THEN became verbally abusive, I haven’t had the desire to return to that wasteland.

I must say: I used the verbose emoji because it looks like “wow”, and I’m wowed at the results you collected, along with still retaining rentboy clients (hint hint webmasters for adding a wow emoji to the new platform 😉 Most all of my rentboy/backpage clients have either been lost or retained 🤷🏾‍♂️

Maybe “many” instead of “most”. But trying not to generalize and just speak as it relates to the context of this discussion

I’m not a client, but I’ve been quasi-ghosted by other escorts. I’ve even written about this on the board: I don’t know the specifics of your particular provider, but other escorts have chimed in regarding this. Most escort guys can be flaky. I mean, just on the message forum alone, we’ve seen guys come and go. It’s not an insult or obligation that they must stick around... but it’s how it is. My feeling is: 1. many escort guys don’t like confrontation in relational situations, and #2: I feel many escorts once they “get” what they want, they are liable to ghost at any moment. Then again: some of this is also just gay culture lifestyle. But when you add escort to the mix; more sex, more options, more unfamiliar personalities: the level of “answering to” anyone is far from expected. It’s for that reason that I’ve moved away from cultivating friends/fuck buddies with other escorts. I prefer now to mainly deal with clients and guys who aren’t in the industry. At the same time... my preference would be to make some good close friends and a partner who I don’t have to directly compete with, in the business.

... awaiting in kind 😏

Specifically speaking yes, but there’s other cases where even if it’s not within 24 hours... it’s still not cool.

My 2 pennies of cents: I’m not particularly thrilled with the layout change. I think the previous format was a lot more breezier to scroll thru, and the emoji’s were a bit more plentiful. This platform doesn’t have enough emojis, but it’s sufficient. At the same time: I know those in charge have to do what they have to do. Hopefully in favor. I know some sites over the years did not survive reformatting. Adam4Adam reformatted their site a couple or so times: each time there was a drop in business, but it always managed to rebound and still bring clients. However, it’s still not as profitable as it used to be, since they did the changes. However, it has seemed to have created a more user friendly platform, and it was just time for them to change. Initially I was annoyed with the new A4A site, but now I enjoy the layout. They stuck with their 90s layout for awhile, but their gradual change ensured a smooth transition. That’s what I think is a good idea for any site. That said, I hope we can adapt to the new layout, because it does look good. but personally I’m having trouble navigating on it using iPhone/mobile. Also I used to like when I had a few minutes to edit a post, before it shows I edited it. Like 5-10 minutes would be nice.

This is exactly how I feel about deposits. This and the rest of this topic. It’s really down to what you’re comfortable with... even though I also agree with @Benjamin_Nicholas that, you have to get past the initial level of over-discretion if you really want to next level in the business AND, weed out extra faff and questions. This is actually what makes me even more adamant to take deposits. Clients get to see my face and my privates in plain view, there should be 0 bitching and popping gums at the request for a deposit. The unbalance is unreal sometimes. That said: in my personal life outside of escorting, I don’t meet guys without a face pic. Mainly because majority are often flakes or catfishes. I know that’s different than the reason of the OP, but I personally don’t for those reasons. However: I do recall that at one point... not showing face pics was very common in escort ads in the early 2000s, and even NO PIC back in the days of magazine and newspaper ads. Times have changed, but it’s still worth mentioning. I know for me: I have a stack of business cards but I do not show my face on them. In that situation, it’s a little more important to be discreet for obvious reasons.

And even when some of them do communicate properly, it still doesn’t make it right. If someone books a provider’s time (especially in this type of business, and I’m not talking about other businesses... I’m talking about this one)...I feel it’s just the right thing to do to provide either a deposit on the front end or cancellation on the back end. Any client who cancels a session and doesn’t send a cancellation fee or deposit, is trash. Point blank period. Even when I tell my other clients things like this, they agree. Only shitty, inconsiderate clients book appointments with no real intention of keeping them. I even had one today do it again: he contacted me back in September and cancelled the visit when I was trying to pencil him in for later in the day. He books me yesterday for a visit: and low and behold, cancels AGAIN. Same pattern. They do it once and do it again. Can’t be trusted, which is why I’m even going to require deposit from previous clients who contacted and didn’t follow thru with their session.

Okay...you seem to be playing the devils advocate quite well. At the end of the day: it costs me money to host. Whether that’s in the form of a booking that could have been scheduled in place, or a hotel that was paid for and can’t be cancelled (and most hotels don’t allow cancellations when booked the same day anyway, even when they offer refundable or cancellation periods). That’s what you don’t seem to understand. I went thru the effort to book a room to host 2 clients who I thought would show, and neither of them showed. I had no other clients booked that day or night. So I lost money on the room. Had a gotten a deposit like I was doing before, I would have weeded them out or atleast covered part or all of the room. If clients think they can cancel without consequence as you say, then I don’t want to deal with them. It’s not about consequence, it’s about making sure I’m not doing work and effort before I get paid. Because guess who has to deal with the consequence of them cancelling if they don’t show? THE PROVIDER.

Well like I said previously: I’m stepping back from what other providers are or aren’t doing. Like I said: I’ve worked side by side with providers who don’t mind the “come over right now” brigade. But I’ve also seen them wait in the wings of, “he might be coming, but I think he’s playing around”. And they deal with that round the clock on every tour. They may tell you as a client one thing, but I know 1st hand what it’s like. I know one guy who came to my town and had a handful of clients, but he also told me about 6 people no showed/no called him. More power to him, but I don’t have that level of tolerance. If I can weed out the ones who likely won’t show with a deposit, I’ve saved myself a lot of valuable time. It’s not just “my area”. It’s the whole of the United States. Every state. Every state has the same predictable ways. I know because I’ve been to all of them. Some worse or better than others.

I actually have majority of clients making electronic payments. In fact on a recent trip, all my clients in 1 weekend used an app to pay for the session, even without my asking. I even have clients who encourage me to ask for deposits lol. I understand the first time and very new and nervous probably wouldn’t feel comfortable, but they too are more likely to not show up. Again: I’m offering options. I’m not saying every client must provide a deposit. If they can host, I’m willing to be flexible. The thing is when it comes down to me hosting, I don’t want to just plan things loosely on the basis that they might show up. If they have the means to host, by all means. I feel like there’s an unspoken truth that men feel less inclined to commit to sessions, when they aren’t the one doing the hosting. And that’s understandable: But don’t have me going thru the effort to host, and then not show up.

Interesting point you make: I could see how that would seem to be the case. However, I actually do like what I do. At the same time: I’ve been around long enough to know what I feel comfortable operating. Based on the original I posted: It wasn’t case where I didn’t enjoy what I was doing: it was a case where I had done the necessary production to host 2 incall sessions: and ended up stood up in the process. I’ve used this similarity before about wedding planners: they always take deposits. Likewise, I would like to take deposits. The issue comes when guys want to reason and disagree about sending one: yet when I actually let my guards down and do without: I end up getting stiffed. That’s what the problem is. It’s not me who has an issue with the business, it’s some who have issues with how providers operate. 2 different things.

It’s hard to tell. Sounds like he did good to deliver each time previously, maybe it was just an off night. I do think the “I’m not a robot” comment seems a bit snarky, especially during or after sex. I would only use that when talking to my friends or in a general conversation about sex work, but not directly to a client. Sometimes when I don’t feel like cumming, I’ll just tell a client that I don’t want to feel tired after or have that “rush” of energy leave my body so early in the day/evening. And that I’m fine with not cumming if it’s not a big deal for them.

Jokes aside: I do think it’s time to bring back “escorts” now that Donald Dump is out of office. Let’s not forget: Sesta/Fosta was introduced in 2016 and killed off a lot of websites offering descriptive escort services. Since the last election, not much has been replaced... but it seems like police reform is helping. With less of a budget, there doesn’t seem to be as much of a pressure to go after “providers”. But I have heard of a porn shop in Lincoln, Nebraska recently being raided and people arrested for indecent exposure or something like that.

My point exactly! It is inconsiderate. And honestly, I’m not even doing it out of spite. I don’t want clients to think I’m doing this because “other clients” didn’t show up. I’m so past that. For me, it’s more about the fact that there needs to be better understanding from the start. Anybody can say they are going to go somewhere, and not show up. It’s just too easy. I want to get it out of their heads that they can just have these sudden urges to contact me (usually always in the morning or noon lunch hours) and then change their minds...I don’t work like that. I’m tired of working like that. Calling an escort is not “arbitrary”. There needs to be some order. If someone wants me to host, they need to confirm it. People never know what a provider may need to go thru, to accept an appointment. Discretion is understandable 100%... but I’ve gone so far as to even send people barcodes to deposit cash into one of my app accounts. And that’s the option that I’ll continue to give. Sometimes an escort reaches a breaking point in their career: and this is that. And I’m not double backing any more.

Well that’s why I’m being open to give options. The option being: if they can host (particularly in a hotel or verifiable home address), no deposit would be necessary. Granted, I’m sure some providers may have it the other way around: Deposit for outcalls. But for me, I prefer it to host. There’s no worse feeling than giving a client your hotel name/address and perhaps even room number... and they not show up. Except: paying for said hotel and they cancel moments after handing over my credit card 😞 And hotels are unforgiving. I still haven’t gotten my money back, and now have to file a dispute with my bank, which will likely cause me to get either blacklisted from the hotel or my Priceline account. All due to 2 inconsiderables who contacted ME for an appointment and flaked before I even checked into the hotel. And what made it so bad was: It was actually a nice hotel. High rise, amenities, etc. But non of that matters if I leave where I’m already staying, and just sit there on a Friday night with 2 cancelled bookings.

Thanks for replies. Unfortunately it’s just the way it has to be. I had eased up because I worked with other escorts who don’t collect deposits, and get flaked on. But at this point I’m just tired of listening to what other guys are or aren’t doing. I have to do what works for me. And what works for me, is making sure any client who wants me to host: regardless if I’m hosting at home or even if I’m already in a hotel from another client. I don’t know what it is, why the majority of those who book incalls are the most likely to not show up. I even had a client who couldn’t host, but he went and booked a casino hotel with his points. I’ve also have clients who say, “oh I can’t because my wife/accountant, etc.” or “I’ve been scammed before”. Well...too bad. Not my fault. On top of that, they want to book using text-mail or some other burner phone app, and expect me to believe I should trust them to show up. The sneaky issue is: some will show up without sending a deposit. Then I start to think, well maybe I can be more accommodating sometimes. And let my guard down. But it only takes 1 or 2 no shows to cause a complete catastrophe. And like I say, there’s been times where I’ve already been at a hotel...and clients book to come to me, and still don’t show up. I even had a previously met client cancel an incall appointment that was planned about 2-3 days prior. Once again, no deposit. But because I was not feeling well after my covid shot, I just let it slide. Going forward now, the deposit will have to be ready in hand before even sending any address info. If they have trust/privacy issues...they can book a room or find a time to host. I know there’s still the risk of outcalls cancelling as well...but it’s generally less often and with less of a privacy/financial risk. I know there’s the risk too of putting off clients, but here’s how I make sense of it: if they aren’t going to show up, then they aren’t worth keeping around anyway. And odds are, most incall requests don’t show up so, I won’t really be losing much in the long run.

For a brief period of time, I had eased up on my requirement for deposits for incall sessions where the client comes to me. It had seemed like people were showing up a little bit more. But after yesterday, I’ve decided to permanently require all clients asking to come to me, to make a deposit. I’m putting it across all of my ads and upfront. I will absolutely not be hosting anyone if they don’t make a deposit. You would think it’s more risky to go to a client’s place and be stood up, but more often than not: it’s the ones who claim to want to come to me, which end up not showing up. Just yesterday I had 2 clients fail to show up for their appointment request. I didn’t get a deposit from either, because I was in a hurry and needed to book a room to host an “incall day” (I have a place already, but I don’t host appointments from right now). Unfortunately I had went ahead and booked the non refundable rate for the hotel. So far it’s been hell and high water to change the date or get a refund, and I literally had no use for the hotel otherwise. To add insult to injury, one of the clients became very disrespectful, even calling me names and saying I was silly to get a hotel for him. And the same idiot booked an appointment previously where he hosted, and I didn’t go because he wouldn’t pay the deposit. This time, I try to trust him to show up without paying the deposit, and he STILL doesn’t show up. So for the remainder of my escort career: I won’t be accepting anymore excuses or reasons why a client can’t pay a deposit to come to me. It’s just too many times where people want me to host, and they don’t show up. And I either end up out of money, or out of time setting aside time for them and they don’t show up. If they can’t make the deposit, they either need to host or I won’t see them. No exceptions.

Good replies! Another thing I’ll say, and I don’t mean to be pompous or not understanding of a client’s situation... but the other time wasting thing that inadvertently happens is when the client actually is serious about meeting, but there’s very little notice given. So I may spend (waste) the time sorting the arrangements, only to realize they can only meet right then and there, and conveniently it’s usually right after I’ve accepted plans or resolved to do something else. it really annoys the shit out of me lol. I try to place myself in the client’s shoes: people request stuff all the time at the last minute (like having a party of 10 coming to dine in 15 minutes before the restaurant closes lol). And sometimes yes, I’m glad when a client can meet right away. Particularly when I’m just sitting in a hotel room waiting for someone to come over (which is seldom that it happens as conveniently as that) But what does suck is when I can’t, the appointment may never happen... or happens months later, where they’ll sometimes pull the same, “last minute” thing. Sometimes it works, other times it results in missing the same client 2 or 3 times before finally... hard feelings get in the mix. I’ve had this happen a few times. One client even contacted me, and I contacted him back almost right away. But he waited like an hour and a half to respond. By that time, I was already on my way to a friend’s place. I didn’t want to cancel them because I’ve not seen them in a long time. When I tried to get the client to schedule for later in night, he was open to it but then cancelled saying he has to be up at 6 am. That’s why I’m like, some days...what the fuck? Is this how we have to business?

lol, it reminds me of back in the day when I used to “start up” on gay.com. Back then, the word generous wouldn’t get you banned, like the Grindr police do. Guys in Miami would frequently ask me, “are you a scort?”