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Thanks for the clarification. It sounds like they are trying to scare people with the same rehearsed broad language, but in reality it’s just the typical going after guys trying to turn women into hoes and profiting off of it. If they really wanted to make a difference. Just say: dudes (or women), you can’t sell women (or boys) for prostitution and make a gain off it. Its a felony. Of course the media tends to overstate the better by saying buying any sex is a felony.

It isn’t…but I figured you would try to turn that around to support your opinion. But since you insist, I’ll give some opinions that are not just made by me:

It is working great for me. If you make a statement addressing me about something, I do have the right to respond with my take on it as well. If you can’t handle a discussion, get the fuck off the thread. It shouldn’t be just you telling me what I should or shouldn’t be doing, and making like it’s facts when I just told you my take on it. If you only want to hear and agree with yourself, don’t even talk to me. Period. If you actually paid more attention, you would see I often refer to my LOCAL area cities where I’ve been in St. Louis and Kansas City. I had to start implement deposits in these areas because the high number of last minute bookings/cancellations I was getting. Not taking deposits didn’t do me any good, I was just getting a bunch of bookings that never panned out. Elsewhere I do well. In December I did a circuit thru 4 cities within close range and exceeded my goals. So yeah, please don’t relay incorrect information here. But, since I often have to travel it makes sense to go ahead and still maintain it because most sensible escorts would agree it’s good practice to do deposits in situations that require travel. In some cases I do waive deposits but only if the booking involves minimal confirmation e.g. I’m already hosting at a hotel or the client has agreed to send a deposit but has a valid reason for not being able to send one (and getting burned before is not one of them).

Most clients on the message center don’t have my level of experience. I am full comfortable doing things this way. And it is not a once in a lifetime rare event either. At one point I was dealing with this every week at least. I’ve been as little as 5 minutes away from clients and they still flaked, citing: “My wife came home, my son just walked in, my business call got moved”. This after me texting and stopping my whole life to accommodate them. They should have figured that out before they called me. Don’t fucking 2nd place me. That’s partly why I had to start taking deposits. I don’t have time to be de-prioritized, chasing cancellation fees, etc etc. I also got tired of being given false hopes of an appointment and earning, only to be let down. Nobody gets thru the gate without a deposit unless they have some other proof that I can rely on. But even then, if I’m not in the position to spend the money (gas/hotel/etc), they need to come up with some of it. Even when I had my own convenient apartment in the city, people would still often not show up. I wish I would have done more deposits back then. Now as far YOU: you are convincing me 0% to stop taking deposits. I’m not about to go back to the way I was working, when it wasn’t working. Few years ago, I used to live in Orlando and didn’t take deposits as much. There were still periods where I went 2-3 weeks with no appointments. Lack of business isn’t always a single factor issue. There’s not only competitive options in the business, there’s competitive options on Grindr, Bath houses. There’s logistical issues as well. There’s also cities where there aren’t enough paying clients, some clients are racist and don’t trust ethnic business men, some cities and states are just full of cheap gay guys or super closeted married men who want to call blocked, not give a name, and hell: pay you after the session. Why the fuck do I need to live my life working like that? When I was in San Francisco last year, I only seen 3 clients and all 3 paid deposits. The ones who didn’t weren’t reliable. You need to think more expansive and not look at $25-$100 being the nuclear explosion to business. It’s not. You make like I’m asking for $50,000 upfront. People spend more than my deposit, on lottery tickets with horrible odds. If somebody can’t spend $25-$75 upfront, they’re either cheap or insecure, or they hire too many escorts without much discernment. Non of which I need to do business with.

Let’s assume the escort only sees a couple clients a week on some weeks. Even seeing 1 $300 client a day hypothetically is actually $300/24 hours a day of texting/RM messages = $12.50/hr. Now if someone is very low volume or in a market where majority of the gay life is on hookup apps, or there isn’t much demand in the area: That $300/168 hours a week would actually equate to: $1.78/hour. Remember: $300/hr isn’t x 40 hours a week.

And the other thing: every time you order Uber, Amazon, Carvana etc etc to be delivered to you…whatever it is, to be delivered to you, you pay partial or upfront in full. Instead of talking about how providers shouldn’t be getting deposits, talk about how to find reputable providers who will stand by their deposits, or ask why they require one in the first place. Educate yourself. It’s easier to make assumptions, than to just respect someone’s individual ways of working.

Let’s not start making things up. This has already been discussed before. Don’t say what most clients won’t do, when I already have seen for myself the difference in business between taking deposits and not taking deposits, which is certainly not “seriously” limiting it. A client getting burned by sending a deposit, is often a result of not doing their research ahead of time. There’s a whole community of 200,000+ members on Reddit that discuss these very things. Yes, sex work discussion does expand beyond this forum. Not to mention, for every client that has 1 story of getting burned, an escort can give 10 stories. So, that doesn’t mean much in the big scheme of things. How about this story: The last time I went on an Outcall without a deposit, it was a regular I’ve known for years. I was on my way to his hotel in another city. I had a flat tire, thanks to some idiot who allowed a piece of bungee cord (the metal hook end, not particularly sharp but at 80 mph…) fall from their truck or whoever. I waited 2 hours for AAA to arrive, at night. Meanwhile, the client was uncompromising, complaining, saying how he didn’t want to be up late, that he can’t wait until I arrive tomorrow (one can only go a limited distance on a spare, and since it was night I had to wait til following day). He couldn’t even wait the next day. Yet he’s known me for 4 years. Next day wouldn’t even return my messages. I got paid nothing. I had to call another regular client back home just to borrow funds to get a hotel room for the weekend so I could take other calls, because the client who was supposed to be booking me, left me high and dry. Even though it wasn’t specifically planned to meet him, he was still supposed to be the first client. And the day I left, was because that was the day he said he was available. If he wasn’t booked that day, I would have not gone that day, I would have waited til the next day or day after. So don’t try to convince me that I shouldn’t take deposits to cater to someone’s comfort zone. Absolutely NOT. I refuse to do biz without a deposit anymore, and unless a client can agree to a deposit but simply can’t make it happen for GOOD reason, I will not work with that person PERIOD. That’s my choice. That’s why I keep 50+ reviews and go out of my way to build a website, because I want clients to believe in me. Now, if someone goes and sends a deposit to some random headless guy on RentMen and gets ripped off, just because he’s “hot”, and says everything you want to hear in the ad and didn’t bother to research further, that’s not my issue. Take the issue up with that person who the problem was with. Not every provider who asks for a deposit.

Texas, Florida and Russia just need to become all one big federation. The first to come up with the wildest unnecessary laws for the sake of punishing people for the shock value of it. Perhaps, Texaflorissia shore 😂 …Ok nuff said. I don’t want to get this moved to politics. I do think this is a genuine provider issue. Even though it’s not pleasant to discuss, it’s always good to be on the up and up.

Well fortunately, long time ago RM deemed us as porn stars, with no rates. So they really wouldn’t have much to go by.

Well, I know when I was posting to go last week, I did have a handful of inquiries. But I had to unfortunately postpone halfway there because the timing and schedule didn’t allow me to continue. I would probably guess most of the knowledgeable clients may be ignoring that. But again: just because something is a felony in one place, doesn’t make it Ian “actual” crime. As we’ve seen with Britney Griner. If a client ever got in trouble in Texas, I would advise using the Kamala video as defense. It was consensual! The VP said it lol.

Ha. I can only imagine. Story of my life being based in Missouri. Always having to go elsewhere. KC is dead, St. Louis is on life support. Just waiting to catch the right week where I can go on a long tour, save up, and get the next U-Haul the fuck outta here. All it is is cheap guys who want bareback and open relationships 🤦🏾‍♂️ I am mainly wanting to go to Tex for the after holiday shopping and get into a bigger market. And as far as the Midwest goes, that’s the next biggest place besides Chicago. But it likely won’t be on my move to list. Kamala needs to re-emphasize to Texas that statement about “I can see legalizing it”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1276617 I have been considering to plan a visit to the area, however I had forgotten about this I heard on other boards. I know someone mentioned why cities like Austin have lots of flakes, now maybe he knows why. If/When I go, I may have to make clients agree to an explicit agreement that it’s for time and travel expense only. Which likely will mean getting out of way upfront (or even before meeting).

This is partly why I don’t travel to dudes for freebie sex much anymore, unless it’s a paid encounter. Even then a deposit is required unless I can verify the address. I live too far from where most clients are, to make a blank trip anywhere. As much as some guys like to tout they don’t pay for sex, they should because when they get it too easy, they don’t appreciate it. I need to know that someone is putting some work in: either getting dressed, or coming to me, something. Now as it pertains to other escorts, it could be a security thing or the perk of not having to send a deposit. It’s easier to just see who shows up without a lot to lose (by sending you across the street in case you don’t show up), than it is to get someone to actually confirm they’re going to show up.

He’s already been blocked. I recall he reached out before and said something to me about not wanting to pay. He popped back up again and contacted me, so me giving the chance that never should be given: I talked to him momentarily. I have to deal with trash bags 🚮 all the time in my area. One guy reached out, didn’t want to exchange numbers. When I suggested he get a 2nd phone like I do if privacy is such a concern, he blocked me. Like dude, it’s a fucking number. These clowns expect others to be gullible enough to talk to them on an app and meet in person, so they can waste my time coming over and then 10 minutes in say they can’t go thru with it. Goodbye, don’t let the door hit ya, where the last dude split ya ✌ Granted this was just an app excursion, not an actual paying client. But regardless, it goes to show how irritating alternative sites can be.

I find it exciting, to a degree. I like to have some kind of idea about who I’m meeting. More clients have started sending pics than before. I also think letting someone know what you look like, takes out the initial shock factor of the first meet. And like @Vulgariisaid, even though I don’t necessarily pick and choose who I see, I may feel I can’t offer certain services to someone in the way I wish to. But that’s pretty rare for the most part. That said, the hardest part I think is the traveling initial contact part. Sometimes I just want to advertise in a new city, like a TV commercial. Versus just posting in the same area day after day not getting any hits. Meanwhile the clock is ticking on the renewal date for my ads. I have bills due like every week. Adding another bill to it isn’t the most fun. But many times people just ask if I’m “Here now” or available today. It’s hard to convey what I’m actually trying to do, and I don’t just pack up and magically appear in a city. I usually need someone to be waiting when I get there. If I had unlimited free hotels it wouldn’t be a big deal but…unfortunately it doesn’t work that way.

That’s what I’m saying! How do these dudes expect me to believe they can afford a couple hundred 💵 when they’re telling people on their ads that they can’t give gas money? Some people are just horrendously cheap. I did meet one guy who said something similar, he turned out to be okay. He just said that people will sometimes hit him up asking for money and it’s “different” if he approaches me for the service. But in the end, he still only ended up being a 1 timer (as most clients on A4A tend to be). That said, I will tell clients to remove such information from their ads, if they expect to meet with me.

I know some mention they post on scruff, A4A, Grindr, etc. Would you bother with these types? People like this who contact me, seem to be open to paying for my services…but have something like this in their ads: and then again he says: We chatted and he seemed up for it, but I was getting the impression he was trolling so I told him I read his ad and based on what he said, it don’t sound like I’m what he’s actually looking for. And if he’s not trying to pay for anything, I wouldn’t want him to waste his or my time. Seemed to blow his cover and he didn’t reply. But I asked him the same earlier and he just said, “yeah I’m open to, if prices are reasonable”. But then continued to sound like going nowhere with the discussion. To me it comes off as red flag. A potential like that seems the type that would short change or refuse to pay, or even chargeback a payment.

I can’t speak for everybody but I been in the game since 2008 and never put any injection. I wouldn’t even want to do that even if it did get me hard. I’ve always been a fan of the natural stuff sold in health stores, which do work…and then maybe a lil viagra/Cialis stuff for occasional backups. For example, I have one that tastes like mint and chocolate, but I have had it for months and only occasionally take a piece of a piece of it. I really don’t even like a forced erection. I like a natural erection like someone said earlier: that comes and goes. Having a constantly rock hard dick will damage it to where you WILL need to rely on those things, I feel. Best practice is nutrition, supplements and limiting sex. I rarely see more than 1 or 2 clients a day. If I do, I’m pacing myself. My mind has to feel horny, before my Dick does…

Yeah, I feel in the case of what the OP mentioned, it’s probably better left unsaid. Sometimes if a person senses they are being rejected, they’re not going to want to give a 2nd chance down the road. Could end up getting blocked. Just keep it simple, “I enjoy your company but having some things going on right now.” Now, if you can say it tactfully: by all means throw in that you started seeing someone. There does seem to be a bit of cake eating in this scenario, however I can’t help but quote: “I figured out a few things about his professional/real life and think it is better to distance myself. I don't want him to know I know his other life. I met a younger guy who has an amazing body. He is not an escort, but he really needs money and is willing to do things. I want to help him. He's hotter and younger.” The first part sounds a bit invasive. Why would someone go snooping 🧐 around for information about someone? Unless it directly pertains to y’all’s Encounter together, I don’t think it matters what his real/professional life entails unless he directly revealed it. That’s why when some clients get flustered just because I send out a basic questionnaire to include a Name/Age, Basic Stats, Host or Travel, City they’re in: It’s not some ploy to get their life information and track them down. I just want to know who I’m meeting up with. That’s basic business etiquette. Beyond that, I could care less what they do outside. As for the 2nd part, it doesn’t sound like the “new” guy is much better than the other. Amazing body. Not an escort. Needs money. Wants to help him and he’s younger. Hmm 🤔 what does that sound like? A whole bunch of red flags. Do you ever watch forensic files or dateline? Just be careful. He could just be a younger guy who needs money with a beautiful body. Nothing wrong with that or wishing to help him. But if you have a regular and are giving him the blowoff for this other person, maybe need to assess whether it’s worth it.

This is always good info. What do you feel happened in 2002 and 2003? I was still a minor during that time lol, but could it have been the George Bush and 9/11 stuff that affected business? I also agree 2012 seemed to be the best years. Do you feel the biz now is in a weird place? We’re basically at the same level of 2005 and 2009. Both volatile years (I recall inflation was an issue in 2005 and recession in 2009). Of course when I look at all others, regulars seems to offset the overall trend. I think Biden could steer us in the right move, despite Republican fears. People blamed Biden for everything, can someone give the man credit for under $3 gas prices for once 😂 (which really doesn’t mean shit in the scheme of things. Cheap guys are going to be cheap ass guys regardless of gas prices).

Guys have any? I know for me: my Resolution is to leave the crap markets I’ve been based out of, hopefully within the next 1 to 2 months. Even though I tour and travel a lot, it doesn’t make up for going 7 days or longer without a booking when I come home. I don’t think I’ve had a serious new client locally since Thanksgiving weekend. Just my 2-3 reliable regulars. I didn’t have this issue when touring. It irritates the soul… I’m also going to cut back or eliminate visiting cities for the added perk of meeting with friends. Many of the friends I meet in other cities are happy to meet when I come, but they rarely plan trips to my area. Plus, I been finding some markets I been going to regularly where I have friends, start becoming less productive when it comes down to bookings. The other week I did a tour to a couple cities I haven’t worked in years…and was just fine going someplace I don’t know anyone. Actually met new people and made new friends Going forward, just going to focus on places that have the demand, not only based on what friends I want to see.

The thing is: we’re not getting paid for doing that though. If I were to answer all the messages on RentMen 1 by 1, and sit and wait/respond for replies: that would equate to a 16 hour work shift. I’d might as well get a job at a call center and at least earn something 🤦🏾‍♂️ I advertise on Adam4Adam which has this feature standard: but even then I just send out Pre-written copy paste messages to inquires. Matter of fact, I always have tons of messages in queue: I may send 1 or 2 messages out of courtesy to acknowledge the client, but that’s if they’ve written something that sounds thought out and relevant to answer. The RentMen chat feature is innovative, but we’re not getting paid. That’s the problem. Just like the private picture requests which I never respond to anymore. If clients want more interaction, we need to get paid more. Not just on a possibility. I was shocked when a “client” told me he clicked my website link and there was a message that popped up “warning, this site may be trying to steal your information” It’s a default message because I guess people were falling for scams. But, after that I had to again modify my auto reply.

Many of the hits I get on the messenger are private gallery requests or just commentary stuff. For me as a traveling advertiser, it’s inefficient to communicate by messenger because many times I may not even notice it until hours later. Maybe I have to put my phone to recognize notifications from it. But I have sound notifications on. And like @Kevin Slater mentioned, that could equate to spending a lot of time on back and forth messages. For now I leave the auto reply on, but everything is detailed with all info. Sometimes I’ll spend 15-20 minutes crafting the most informative Auto-Reply. If I’m not busy or the person seems to have responded thoroughly, then I’ll sometimes shoot back a reply. Issue is: many of the ones on there don’t respond back, which is partly why many providers have become adverse to it.

The other day I had 2 Asian clients, which is rare for me except when I’m on the west coast. No stigma towards them, but I will say in my experience they can be quite different than American guys in many ways. But many also tend to be quite professional in their approach. No overly kinky long drawn out stuff. I know many Asian guys often don’t reveal that they are, before meeting. So it can often be hard to “not take Asian clients”. Unless an escort specifically says that, which would qualify as discriminatory. I’ve known some fairly attractive Asian guys I’ve met. One of whom I had to run off because after we played around, I introduced him to a friend, and then they played around a couple of times behind my back. Hell, no. That’s violation of guy code. I told my friend, how would you like it if I went and started fucking your 2 friends you introduced me to, outside of our interactions? Have some decency people 🤦🏾‍♂️

This is great to know you’re well! Sorry that happened so close to the holidays. I been trying to go to Buffalo for months and was planning to this time, even getting as far as Ohio last week, but had to wrap it up because of the storm incoming. I was hoping to go earlier before winter. Seems all these storms, whether heat, hurricanes or snow storms are just getting so crazy. Venus and Uranus weather is not needed here! Penis and Uranus is preferred 👏🏽