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Sorry for the cold shower on your hot fantasy, guys. I’m just trying to inject some realism into this discussion so you can develop appropriate expectations and also delight in the unexpected when it happens. Value your providers and pay them accordingly.
Please keep in mind we are not cum machines. I completely understand the client fantasy of a massage scenario morphing into a porn set. That scenario assumes your appointment is the only thing on your masseur’s agenda for the day. However, it’s just that: a fantasy.
I can’t deliver cum for a massage fee for every client that darkens my door. Some days that means I would have to get hard and ejaculate six times back to back. Never mind the fact that I may have a legit escort client I have to perform for on that same day. I just can’t do it consistently and still maintain quality or sufficiently pace myself.
If you want your masseur to cum as part of your massage session, please ask for it and pay his escort rate, or at the very least, tip very generously when you fail to discuss an appropriate fee prior to starting the session and he does it for you anyway. If your guy is already way overcharging for massage (like, $200+/hr), it’s safe to assume these services are already baked into the cost and I wouldn’t worry about it.
$160/hr or less I would assume nothing more than massage, and enjoy the possibility of some extras if he does them. Happy endings are very common and normal, but not guaranteed. Do not expect full service, oral, or your masseur to cum for you. Some guys might do these things for their regular massage fee, but please respect masseurs with boundaries around what they will do for their standard massage fee. Boundaries vary. Clients are not entitled to anything they didn’t already discuss with their masseur.
I want my clients to understand the value of each of the services they hire and pay accordingly. Massage (even erotic massage) is NOT discount sex work. Blowing loads all over clients with no discussion of rates beforehand is, in my mind, asking the client to expect discount escort services.
We can debate at length about what is and isn’t sex work and many other threads already hash it out. IMHO, having to deliver cum - in one way or another - is well within the sex work category. Others can charge whatever they want for it. If your guy can consistently cum for you for a massage fee, enjoy the discount service, but please do not place the same expectations on other masseurs.
I can do six massages a day. I can’t possibly take six escort clients a day. So I charge higher for escort service and lower for massage. Scarcity over a given time period is among the many reasons I charge the way I do.

It’s a regular thing clients want. I usually kneel with my legs either side of their hips and cum on their chest or face as I bring them off with my hand behind me. It’s a great visual for them. The trick is timing it so that I cum just before they do 😉

Yup. Best not to judge a book by its cover.
All kinds of people want service, including those with menacing gang tattoos, hard faces, or they’re in denial, or never had an experience like this before. Meet them where they’re at. They’re deciding to see you, which means they want to be there. Have an open mind. Use caution and good sense. Communicate when something is unclear. “Is this ok? Are you comfortable when I do xyz? Would you rather I do abc?”
Some clients are just weird. Not dangerous, just awkward. Some people are on a neuro-atypical spectrum. Some are just nervous. All of this is fine and normal. Take it in stride. Read the client and respond appropriately.
Protect yourself when necessary.

I think Joel Someone was very nice and kind

I had a great session with Tim:
https://rentmasseur.com/PSMassagebyTim
 
He was very responsive, easy to schedule and his massage skill was great. Sensual and therapeutic flowed seamlessly. I recommend.

Mike gaite

let's not forget one of my favorites:
GingerMuscle on RentMasseur
RENTMASSEUR.COM View my profile on RentMasseur.com  

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Men are like ducklings and imprint on what they jerked off to at 14. For some, it was the football coach...

Yeah… that’s steep for “therapeutic only”. Be wary of guys like this. If you have a straight fantasy fetish and he scratches your itch, go for it, but be prepared to pay a heck of a lot more for what you actually want. More like regular escort rates or higher. You’re not hiring someone like this for massage only, otherwise you would likely go with a skilled provider who charges close to going market rates. If you want extras, be prepared to pay much more than the advertised $220/hr, which is already above market to begin with….
Remember, guys like this have multiple income streams from OF, porn, and other platforms. They don’t need to charge realistic rates because this is not their main living. They can get away with charging a lot more than a reasonable market rate because they’re only taking a select limited few who are willing to pay for a specific straight fantasy “scene”. He’s an apple, while most of the other guys are oranges. Evaluate accordingly.
Haven’t seen him but please do share if your experience is contrary to my assumptions based on reading the ad. Also curious if the massage is any good because usually the focus for this type of guy is not massage. Bonus if he’s actually good!

Can you post his ad link?
So I’ve heard over and over here that SD is slim pickings. I’m hoping to shake things up a bit after I move in August and set up shop in America’s Finest City.
I’m looking for a work space in neighborhoods south of the 52, north of the 94, west of the 15, and east of the 5. Try me after the move. If there’s anything to improve I would rather hear it directly from clients, so feel free to reach out. I offer a great experience, but I am always growing and looking to improve my business.

Anyone feel free to PM me directly with questions or comments, or reach me on any of my several ad platforms or website. Or private message other members who have seen me to get their insights. My contributions here will necessarily be biased.
I’m posting this message for everyone to know where to reach me and then staying out of this thread. I’d rather  clients comment on me candidly here. I’ll do my best to not take things personally or try to influence conversations about me here. It’s important to share info freely and not feel like you’re being monitored. Even though it’s kind of difficult for me to ignore…I will try to.
My contributions in the forums are often long winded, yes, but also quite thoughtful. At least that’s what other members I respect say about me.
I’m moving to San Diego, CA in August 2023. You may find me traveling to other cities here and there in the future, but my home base will be San Diego for the foreseeable future. The past two years I’ve spent in Dallas, TX. Many clients in the DFW area can speak to the quality of my work, or those who have traveled to Dallas and seen me there.
My specialty is deep tissue massage. Clients enjoy the balance I offer between quality therapy and sensual / erotic elements.
Have fun, keep calm, and get a massage!

Post 4 of a potential 6.37 kajillion replies to the OP…
Here’s what we know, guys: Escorts can charge whatever they want. We, the clients, can pay that rate or find lesser-priced escorts. Or not hire at all, and simply date our dominant hand. It’s that simple. There is no union to strike against, no Groupon deals, not even a well-endowed (ha ha) support group to shoulder the myriad emotional turmoil this financial burden may inflict upon us. Do I think $400 is a lot of money for an hour of shenanigans? Fuck yeah!  However, I prefer to look at it this way: If a hot, hunky, hairy, hung provider charges me $400 to let me have my way my him and in doing so gives me an inarguably unforgettable experience, I’m going to practically force that $400 on him and feel like my cash was well spent. And the day that splendid feeling evaporates is the day I stop hiring. Until then, I’ll continue to open my checkbook (and all of my orifices) and have the fucking time of my life. Cheers, my friends! 

Sherman Maus gave me one of the best make-out sessions I've ever had. 
https://rent.men/ShermanMaus

@RadioRob Thank you for your hard work putting the review platform together! Great base format. Here are a few input items, in no particular order of preference or importance:
1. Shower available: Y/N
2. Home city (or “primary” city?)
3. Differentiate between massage “modality” as in sports, deep tissue, Lomi Lomi, Swedish, Reiki, etc and “sensual / erotic” as a separate category altogether, however you want to label it. It’s nice to know what the masseur does apart from anything erotic or sensual. Erotic/sensual is no a replacement for a primary modality as such. The modality could be a check all that apply item.
4. Massage table: Y/N. It’s important to know this. If the answer is no, the implication is that the massage is on a bed, couch, mat/floor, and these are generally inappropriate and unprofessional ways to give a massage, although it happens frequently. Nice to know the level of professionalism and this is one of the biggest base indicators. Applies to incall or outcall, so no need to differentiate. I agree with @Jamie21
5. Previous aliases, similar comment to those in the Deli thread.
6. Rates are a touchy subject. My two cents: let the client put rate/fee info in their review content, since there are so many reasons why a rate or total “fee” may vary apples to oranges with another masseur. The client can elaborate if desired.
7. This may be unpopular, but a field to indicate how much a client tipped may be helpful to show others what is normal, or conversely, if the reviewer is not tipping, under tipping or overtipping, and the review content can support why.
8. Skill level: 1-5 stars
9. Reliability: 1-5 stars
10. Formal training: Y/N
11. Responsiveness: 1-5 stars
12. Ability to post multiple platform URLs for quick reference, such as MasseurFinder, RentMasseur, RentMen, FriendBoy, MintBoys, shared couple/collaborator profiles etc.
13. Payment methods accepted: check all that apply: Cash, Zelle, Venmo, Credit Cards, Apple Pay, CashApp, PayPal, etc.
14. Massage equipment (besides table): check all that apply. Theragun, hot towels, aromatherapy, candles, hot stones. A little help from others on more options would be nice. I mention theragun because some guys rely on these too heavily as a way to not actually massage the client. Why bother hiring? Some use it only as a supplement which is fine.
15. Music: 1-5 stars
16. Additional services: check all that apply. Body Scrubs. Grooming. Esthetician services (covers a fairly wide range from waxing to facials). Others help me out by adding more ideas. I do body sculpting (laser lipo) but I know that’s much less common.
17. Massage products used. Same comment as @Jamie21 but I would include a simplified drop-down list: natural oil, massage cream, massage gel, baby oil (to out the bad ones who actually use this!), and “other”.

nobody going to film my dad bod - just saying

Wow! If he’d been around when I was in SD I certainly would have tried him out!

Wow! If he’d been around when I was in SD I certainly would have tried him out!

Wow! If he’d been around when I was in SD I certainly would have tried him out!

Has anyone met with Undiesbulgelover in San Diego? https://rent.men/Undiesbulgelover

He is not look like the guy in pics. Yes he is masculine and strong boy , naked but the massage done in 25 mins. He tried to up sale ...Not recommended

Not new at all.  Just a new name.  And he's had a lot of them on MasseurFinder, RentMass, & Rentmen

I used to see him a lot, but not lately.  I agree with Harryinny.  A very honest;, sincere guy, who gives a good massage and is generous with extras -- though he may charge more for more "advanced" things, but will be very up front if you ask.  

Has a rentmen ad as well. Nicely equipped 
https://rentmen.eu/MaxxHung

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