Jamie21

I think discussing charges for “extras” during the massage is awkward. I don’t charge for anything extra, it’s all included in my standard massage rate (which Isn’t cheap) except for me bottoming and if they want that it has to be agreed before the massage, and the rate for that is extra.

Because there’s no extra charge or any cause to discuss the charge during the massage it can proceed naturally, uninterrupted and it feels less transactional for the client.

I once had a spa massage where the masseur tried to upsell to me during the massage. I’d already paid for the massage at the spa desk. Half way through the massage I could feel through his shorts that his cock was hard as it pressed against my hand while he leant over the table. I was laying on my front with a towel over my bum so he couldn’t see whether I was hard or not.

He said to me “I can do relief for you, I get naked and wank you, it’s just £50 extra”. I was quite surprised because this was a high end spa. He was hot but I didn’t want a happy ending as my boyfriend at the time was staying at the spa with me and we’d been having sex all afternoon. I just wanted the relaxing massage. So I said no thanks, which seemed to annoy him. He said “ok just £40, you can get the cash now”. I really didn’t want to get off the table to go and get cash so I said “no thanks I’m fine” again. He then said “ok how much?” which really surprised me because now he was in negotiating mode and the price wasn’t my issue.

If he hadn’t been so insistent about it I might have agreed (although the requirement to get cash to pay him during the massage really pissed me off). So I just said to him “no I’m not looking for extras, sorry”.

Unfortunately he seemed to take this personally and the massage became much less attentive. I felt in a mischievous mood so when he asked me to turn over I made sure I was hard under the towel to see what he’d do. If he’d have removed the towel, and his shorts and given me a happy ending then I’d have paid him the extra money afterwards but he didn’t go near my hard on atall. He just avoided the area completely and finished the massage in a perfunctory style.

It was a shame because he was hot and, up to the point of the upsell discussion, he’d done a great massage. I had no problem with him cashing in on the side but he was doing it in a really poor way that was confrontational and inconvenient.

I gave him a good rating afterwards though because it was a nice massage and I’m sure he’d have been hot to play with. He just should have been more subtle and trusting to accept cash afterwards.

The only thing that I can’t accept is poor hygiene. If a client isn’t fresh and clean then they simply don’t get my full service. There’s no excuse for bad hygiene.

Fortunately it’s rare, and I ask them to shower beforehand anyway. Aside from hygiene there’s nothing else that means a client is treated any differently. Of course being friendly and respectful are always good and help to make a meeting even more fun.

I’m sorry you had some bad hire experiences. You shouldn’t blame yourself, it’s more likely you hired a bad escort. They should make you feel fantastic, if they didn’t achieve that then that’s their failure not yours.

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Here’s one I was in. It’s a 4 hands and includes me fucking the guy on the table. We’d planned that I shoot on his arse but as I was fucking him he asked me to shoot inside so I did, it’s just before the part where we kiss.

The whole vibe on that filming was hot. After we’d finished the camera man was so excited he needed to fuck me so I got a load in me as well.

Sucking is definitely a learned skill. Don’t go down completely at first, tease the head with some flicks of your tongue, lick down and up the underside of his shaft.

I like to give my clients the choice about where to cum so I’ll ask if they want to cum in my mouth, or elsewhere. If they choose mouth then I take the mouthful to their lips for kissing but it’s surprising how many guys decline to kiss because they don’t like their own cum. I saw a client recently who shot in my mouth but when I signalled to him to kiss and share the cum he said “no way!”. Even later once he was showered and dressed and we kissed goodbye he said he could taste the cum on my lips so it was just a quick peck.

I think it’s mainly a dislike of their own cum that puts guys off because if I cum in their mouth most guys are very happy to kiss me and share it back with me.

I think you do know how to deal with it if it happens again. In fact, you even told us:

 

 

 

Yeah, it'd feel shitty saying that to someone, but it would need to be said in that situation. In the long run, I bet the client would appreciate your honest reality check.

It’s very difficult to say that though. Especially if you like the guy. They’d appreciate it in time yes, but in that moment when you tell them that you don’t feel the same way, you feel really shit. It’s happened to me once and I still hate myself for having to say it to him.

My rules are: Set your rate with long term in mind, it’s very difficult to increase your rate so don’t start cheap. Set the rate to reflect the type of clients you want (top end) but be realistic in the market, and never discount.

Sorry, but if I pay a guy $300 an hour, I am not going to tip. How many people make $300 an hour?

Plenty of guys make $300 an hour. Anyway, they’re not just working for the hour they’re with you. An hours booking (in call) for me takes at least two hours out of my time. The cost also represents the time a provider puts in to prepare for your meeting, the time and money he spends on personal care (gym, wax, cosmetics etc), time taking pics and promoting himself. Then there’s taxes. Take all that into consideration and the $300 you refer to ends up as $150. If a client tips me I feel that I went beyond their expectations and am certainly going to make sure they get great service next time. For example if they book a time and I’m busy I’ll move things around to fit their schedule. I wouldn’t necessarily do that for someone who didn’t tip.

Cancelling the day before is deff fine, can happen. But sometimes you just have the feeling that it aint right. Mostly I don't meet people that cancel with a vague reason. Even not after just 1 time. People that are serious won't cancel. When they have cold feet, they can say it honestly. It happens sometimes. But what I've seen so far is that most people that cancel, aren't serious at all.

You have put that very well, I totally agree. I’d rather a client said sorry I have cold feet or I’m too nervous than give me some lame excuse. Maybe I can reassure them and help with their anxiety. I wish they’d say so.

@Jamie21 if you take @Oaktown up on his offer, he will keep you all to himself. He won't share you with us.

Well at the moment the bidding starts at a Gulfstream650 by @Oaktown. ?

Thank's for the reassurance! I've always wanted to try topping, not a total bottom. Bottoming takes a lot of prep work.

You should be clear with clients about your role though. I think they’ll be reluctant to book if you say you’re a bottom but will top. Be a clear bottom or clear top. If you’re uncertain about whether you can top in a professional capacity maybe try it with non client partners first. I’d say also that ideally you need to be above average size if you’re going to top. Most clients go for big boys lol.

I never wear cockrings with clients. I wear one sometimes doing yoga but that’s a different story!!

I don’t have a problem getting hard or staying hard but if I’m doing a filming session (I make massage porn) and I know I’ll need to be hard for 3 sessions (we tend to film a few massage videos in a day) then I’ll take half a viagra pill just to be sure. But generally I don’t like to use it.

I think if you wear a cockring it can help to keep you hard but don’t wear it for too long. In my experience if you get anxious about staying hard then you’re likely to struggle to stay hard...it’s often all in the mind.

I’d suggest having a dildo available. It will give you confidence that if you didn’t stay hard you can use the dildo on your client until you are hard again. Just by having the dildo there it will reduce your anxiety and therefore you’ll stay hard...see what I mean? Find ways to reduce the anxiety about going soft and you’ll discover that the problem goes away. It’s better than using viagra or cockrings.

If you're a (hung) Top (or can top) you'll do well regardless of your physique.

There's a shortage (almost crisis) of Tops in Toronto.

Bottoms and Versatiles can be found anywhere, especially hookup apps.

I think this is true. Many guys advertising as versatile are bottoms who only top on the third Wednesday in a month without an R in it.

In my experience tops are rare, and hung tops especially rare. Which is good for me as a hung top lol.

Haha I agree! I was born and raised in Brazil and that's how we call it. But here in the US... Do you have a favorite team/club?

Ah well then if you’re from Brazil then you know. My club is QPR...who are not in the Champions League!!!

Hey. everyone! Just curious to know if anyone on here likes watching soccer and is excited for the UEFA Champions League semifinals?

Yes but it’s called football.....just sayin’ :-)

Love your stories too. I've been through the site in the past and don't remember any stories. Did I miss a section?

Maybe, it’s under the blog. Click on blog, and then Z to A of sensual massage. Here https://sensualtouchco.com/?p=433

cheers

Jamie

BA / FC? Jamie, I have a lovely appointed Gulfstream 650, would you board it to go over the pond?

Checks passport...starts packing.

@Jamie21we definitely need to have you in the US. You have such good stories to share and you sound so hot!!

Thank you! Please send first class tickets on BA (I only fly BA) and I’ll make a visit to the US. It is one of my top favourite places to visit. I’ve been many times.

There’s more stories about sensual massage on my blog on my website sensualtouchco.com All of them from my experience working as a masseur and in the sex industry. I hope you like them.

did he have a nice cock lol

I can’t remember!! I think the worry of his daughter walking in just made me forget his cock.

i’ve been at some masseurs’ apartments when the so/partner/bf/husband are in another room out of sight. i think some people are uncomfortable when that happens. in some cases, the so/partner/bf/husband leaves. i know that happens in one case because i always see him coming back to the apartment when i leave. i used to go to a guy in philly whose wife used to be downstairs but it got to the point where it was just too weird for me given the way he behaved.

That reminds of a time I visited a client on an outcall. He’d told me he had mild Parkinson’s and a massage helped him with the condition. He seemed a really nice guy. I made sure he knew what style of massage I did (sensual/erotic) and he confirmed that this is what he wanted.

So I arrive at his place and he shows me to the room. As I went into the room a small girl, about age 10 was in there doing what looked like her homework. My client was Russian I think and he spoke to her in Russian, I assume to ask her to leave because she packed up and left the room.

This was a little disconcerting for me but I started to set up my table. I asked him if he’d had a sensual massage before because I wanted to make absolutely sure he knew it was a naked massage and included happy ending etc. He confirmed he knew and was happy.

I assumed the girl was his daughter and that maybe he couldn’t sort out childcare. So as I set up and stripped down to my pants I asked him if we’d be disturbed atall (I really didn’t want any kids coming in) because he hadn’t locked the door. He said no it’s fine. So we started.

He’d booked 90 minutes and for the first half hour I kept my pants on just in case someone came in. I could hear talking and walking around coming from upstairs.

After half hour I took off my pants because he was starting to touch my cock. So the massage progresses and he seems to enjoy me paying attention to his hole etc. He turns over and I see he’s hard. He asks me to cum on his chest so I shoot and then suck him off to finish. Fortunately without any interruptions.

He then pays, puts his clothes back on (I didn’t even clean off the cum) and I start to pack up. He tells me it was great and he really enjoyed it. As I’m leaving via the hallway a woman comes down the stairs with the daughter, who says “mummy what is that?” as she points at the massage table I’m carrying out. The woman says “it’s a massage table, the man has been massaging daddy”.

I just couldn’t get away fast enough...I’ve never been back.

Cash? Sorry I couldn't resist! ?

 

I might be wrong but didn't you say some time that a good escort is able to see the "attractive" in every client?

Yes they are. What I mean is, not attracted to a client because they’re not the type of guy you’d hookup with in a non work situation but you find something you really like about the client (there’s always something, his cock, smile, nipples, voice etc) and give him a great time as if he’s your most attractive date. They’d not know that in a non work situation you probably wouldn’t have hooked up.

It’s a good thing to do generally actually because it opens your mind (in a non escort situation) to the innate sexuality and attraction of all sorts of different guys. I’ve had clients who if I saw them in a bar I wouldn’t be attracted but then during the client’s session it turned out they were fantastic and the session was explosive.

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Is this true in restaurants also? I'm going to London in the summer. In NY, 20% is typically the norm and even that at times is low.

Yes, a lot of restaurants automatically include a service charge as part of the bill, which is usually 10% so you don’t need to add a tip as well unless you’re being extra generous.

If you’re in London in summer and you happen to visit a certain masseur...ahem...then the tip can be considerably more than 10% though. Just saying

Any amount is welcome and there’s no expectation. But even more welcome is booking again, recommendations and gifts.

A client once sent me a couple of pairs of expensive sexy pants (underwear for Americans here) because he knew I liked them. That was fantastic. Another client invited me to his club which was interesting.

In the UK tipping is much less prevalent than the US and is usually around 10%.

I think this is a big part of the issue here. There needs to be a big shift away from fearing to meet another man for sex over concerns of it being a cop. Hopefully police reform will help curb some of these issues.

 

 

 

That’s true, but I feel some of it is also just habitual dick behavior that guys pull. Case in point: a problem client who I’ve blocked and sent away multiple times over the years, because he would flake every other booking, will every so often end up in my inbox. Just yesterday he did again. Because I was very nearby to him, I figured I’d give him another chance to prove himself, he goes thru the whole process, even arranging a time... and no shows. Which I figured he would, which is why I accepted a non business date about an hour after the time we had set to meet.

 

Another client last week reached out to book last Friday. Claims “a friend” gave him my info. But he could’nt meet because work issues. Says he’ll book Saturday. Again, work issues and can’t. He asks how long I’m in town. Asked about Sunday... at that point I said contact me, but I had already decided to go out of town. Sure enough, didn’t contact.

 

I’m just getting real fed up with everything right about now. Part of the problem seems to be there is too many escorts starting out here currently. One escort I met was like, “we’re not competition, they call all of us and they all play games”. It’s almost like he’s essentially saying clients don’t have any discernment, and that I didn’t agree with. I don’t want a client who’s “calling everybody”. But if I can’t get the chance to be a limited commodity, then that’s probably what ends up happening. That can be fixed by changing cities, and I’m pretty much ready to cut ties with certain cities because of that.

 

I think my next step going forward may be to take my number down, require clients to instead give me their number thru IM or email. That way it could be more like, I’ll contact YOU, once I can verify you’re serious. Idk.

I think I’ll be strict now: If they flake on me once, I give them a second chance. If they flake twice then it’s either no more bookings or they pay full price up front. And flaking is cancelling on the day or just no showing. Cancelling the day before is ok, things happen.

When I first started out, 13 years ago, I was the exact client you’re all complaining about. I remember the fear and dread and anxiety that a response from a provider would provoke in me. I probably bothered a dozen guys and ghosted before I finally made the plunge.

 

That first time was more nervous than pleasurable. We didn’t click. I was convinced he was a cop. I couldn’t express my desire because I didn’t even know what my desires were. He didn’t look like his photo and he had no patience for the type of client I was. All of which was understandable. I shouldn’t have hired at that time.

 

I have since atoned, become a pretty decent client, and have enjoyed time with many many providers and haven’t wasted another man’s’ time since.

You’re so right, it’s always worth reminding myself that visiting me or any other provider must be pretty daunting for someone who’s never done anything like it before. For me seeing clients is fairly routine but I guess from their perspective it’s a big thing and takes a lot of courage. It’s good to be reminded of their perspective - thanks!!