Jamie21

The two words that jump out at me in this sentence is ‘for now’. I expect in a bath house / sauna situation where you’re performing for an audience the ‘for now’ thing won’t last long. Have you discussed that together? If not, do so before you take your plans to a bath house. Maybe hire a pro first, see what happens.

There’s no collusion or cartel here. If you’re going for a certain type of Brazilian in London, in a certain area, then it’s likely they all know each other either directly or once removed. Word gets around at what each other charges. They’ll all end up similar. Maybe that’s what you’re noticing. There isn’t a cartel or any conspiracy to fleece Americans.

The market knows what rates will work and what won’t. Where there’s a lot of providers, those who over charge quickly find they don’t get much custom, so they either drop to the mean or they leave the market. Similarly if someone goes in too low they quickly realise they’re leaving value on the table so they increase rates. It means rates become similar.

I agree. Some element of surprise is important but that should be in the content of the session rather than in who the client finds when they turn up. Recently I had a new client, who had seen my pics etc. He’d booked an hour but after he’d seen me in person, after showering he asked to extend the time. I was very flattered.

Yep I’m the shop steward. Everyone out. Honestly, I didn’t realise everyone charges same. My experience is rates vary a bit. But it’s a very competitive market so rates are bound to coalesce around a market rate.

Done!

If I hired for overnight it would definitely be separate beds! Doing overnights for clients is not on my repertoire.

Exactly. If you approach it with the mindset that he views clients as ATM’s then you’re probably going to find that to be self fulfilling. Of course I wouldn’t be present at that time and place if I were not being paid for it, but that doesn’t mean I don’t approach the client with respect, care and authenticity. A lot of trust is created because both parties are being vulnerable. The more times a client comes the greater the trust.

You decide what you think is fair for the first week (don’t tell him the amount, just put the number in an envelope and seal it). He does same for what he wants to charge you for the second week. He also writes it in an envelope and seals it. You swap envelopes and open them together. The total is what you pay.

My kind of people 😉

Yes! Similarly, I have clients who bring their partner to watch. It’s a thing.

I would suggest you don’t worry about that. I know regular clients of mine see other providers (either I’ve referred them or they mentioned it to me or the other provider did). I don’t think they’re unhappy with me. I think ‘great! I hope he’s having fun’. All the providers I know have no concerns about clients shopping around. It’s kind of expected…‘he’s hired me so why wouldn’t he be hiring others?’. Fair enough to tell your regular guy that you’re hiring his partner if you want to but I’m confident neither of them would be upset about it. Guys don’t do this job to be precious about who hires them. If they’re proper professionals they want everyone and anyone.

X is called X because everyone is an eXpert.

Size obsession is definitely a thing. I’m 8 inches and I know that some massage clients hire me just because of that. Those kind of clients can get quite challenging to manage because they want to get fucked as part of the session even though it’s not an escort session. Once some guys see a big cock all they can think of is taking it! I know this is a ‘first world problem’…I’m not complaining that I’m on the large side (it’s definitely an asset when making porn!). I’m just saying it’s not always a blessing, and to look beyond just his cock size to the overall package to have a great session.

Soooo tempted…

This is what I suspected. I have the same experience. Most of my clients are massage clients (sensual / erotic massage…) and the no show rate is below 1%. For escort type work, the rate of no show is higher. I think deposits are a very blunt tool to use to weed out flakes but I do occasionally request them, especially if the booking involves escort type work, travel and another escort (duo session). However to avoid deposit requests I try to detect the flakes when they make contact. The signs are there: a flaky initial message: ‘hey’ or ‘how much?’ Both openings are a 99% certain sign of a flake. The casualness is a big red flag. Then the interaction veers towards sexting where they describe what they want, some even send pics to show me what positions they want. If these guys do actually get to the stage of making a booking (usually it’s all just chat) then I tell them I’ll send them a reminder text the day of the session or night before if it’s a morning session. If they don’t respond to that message within a hour then I’ll assume they changed their minds and I won’t attend the booking. Most of the time they don’t respond or they come back with ‘hi something came up so I can’t make it’ and that’s a bullet dodged for me because I’m sure they’d forgotten or booked when horny and had no intention of turning up. Sometimes I’ve declined to take bookings from clients because they just have too many red flags: the ‘hey’ opening, the elaborate descriptions of what they want to do, requests for pics, sending pics, comments like ‘definitely up for this’ (which I translate as ‘I’m so horny right now I’m going to wank to the thought of it and then lose interest completely and forget I booked’), the requests for discounts because they’re either hot (their definition), a virgin, unemployed, deserve it, or just because they think I’m desperate. These are ‘clients’ I don’t need or want. I’m so with @Daniel84 on this because when a flake does get through it’s not so much that I’m upset at the lost time and money it’s the real hurt it gives me to have been taken in and that he can be so blasé about my work. When you really try hard to do a good job it hits you badly when that is treated with indifference.

I‘m just glad that when you checked out the spoof link I put in there you didn’t find a real client review website!! I didn’t check it before I wrote it. 🙂. That would’ve been ironic…

Not alone. But he’s subtle about it.

I think it’s just people sounding caution about deceiving a friend. The plan sounds like it could backfire if it ruins the friendship. I got hired for something similar, to hit on a guy at a sauna. He was tired of being ignored so hired me to be with him exclusively at a gay sauna. It worked fine and he had a great time. It gave him confidence to be more proactive when he visits the sauna now. Difference was that we weren’t misleading a friend. I think if the plan works that’s great, no judgement, but if he loses a friend as a result of it then he might look back and regret it.

Serious advice, is this massage in a professional massage service setting? If it’s a licensed masseur working at a spa you should let him take the initiative. Perhaps open up your legs a little, get hard, see what happens. If he’s working as a licensed massage therapist then he risks his job by progressing beyond therapeutic massage so I would advise to let him make any move. However if his advertising implies more than therapeutic massage (is he wearing a top? Is he in tight shorts? Is there a bottle of lube visible on the shelf, does he refer to release of tension, does he use minimal draping etc) then you could let your hand press against his crotch as he stands beside you and see if he’s hard. Take it from there…

Yes I agree, I like to be paid something for my work rather than nothing at all. Personally I don’t watch (or buy) porn, I’m more into being watched than watching!

Well they do! I get paid by guys subscribing to my films. I think it’s partly because you’re paying to see stuff that is not available to everyone. There’s interest in exclusivity. Plus those that subscribe tend to like the niche that one operates in. If you like watching massages that develop into more and you like my style and look then you might decide to subscribe to my content for example. It costs me time and money to make (I pay an editor, I hire venues, I buy cameras and lights) so unless I’m doing it completely for the fun of it I do want to compensated for these costs and to make money. There’s of course the fun element and it’s definitely enjoyable or it wouldn’t look good but still…as it’s a job then I think it’s fair to get paid for it.

I filmed massage porn movies a couple of times with a lovely F2M guy in London. He’s available for hire. This is his x profile https://x.com/edftmxxx?s=21&t=qqc9fJvNencieQmxmf775g You’ll probably see a clip of my movie with him on there 🙂. He’s not as big as I think you’re looking for @ThroatCummer but he’s got a great fit body and is really nice guy, very sexy and good fun. If you visit London I’d recommend him.

I’m fine to send pics if someone asks, but like @Vin Marcosays many guys just keep asking for pics without ever booking. I’ve lots of pics and even a demo video on my website plus plenty on Rentmasseur. If they want a face pic then I’m happy send it too. People do need to feel comfortable with hiring. The last thing I want is someone to come and be disappointed that I’m not what they expected: it makes for a difficult session. I like the sound of what @ApexNomad describes in the pre smartphone and app world regarding hiring and hookups. The thrill of the chase, the potential for surprise, the furtiveness I imagine all added to the excitement. Things that are got too easily are not appreciated and that’s definitely a downside of what I’d call the ‘Amazon Primeification’ of sex services.

I’m sorry, it’s my sense of humour. I’m British (our humour is weird🤪). Don’t take me too seriously when I post stuff like this. It’s just me trying to lighten the mood.