Jamie21

A few clients like to discuss things in a phone call. How old fashioned!!! It tends to be older clients but I think it’s quite nice to talk. You can get a better idea of what he’s like and have a proper discussion. The only challenge is finding an appropriate time and location for such a potentially explicit discussion. Alternatively I do have WhatsApp and Telegram and Signal (which is very discreet indeed) if any client is concerned about privacy. As for law enforcement well that’s not a concern here given sex work is legal (within certain parameters).

You did the right thing, don’t make a big issue of it. It happens…. I recall one occasion when I wasn’t fully clean for a client. He’d been going a while in various different positions and as he pulled out I felt a sensation that I knew wasn’t good, and let’s just say a lot of cleaning up was needed. Thankfully he was fine about it, and we were nearly at the end anyway. Sometimes even with the best efforts it happens. When it happens if I’m on top it’s often just a little bit which can be washed clean and we carry on. One can’t make a big thing of it because it makes people feel bad and that ruins the atmosphere. I find if there are concerns about possibly not being fully prepared it’s best to stick to one position and once inside stay inside 😉.

It’s fairly annoying to be asked what is included in ‘erotic’. I’m not worried about law enforcement (where I work there’s no problem with selling sex). The problem is that it’s like trying to guess what the client wants…is he an anxious first timer who’d be put off by some of what is listed or is he a more sophisticated client looking for something niche? How do you pitch the response? Sometimes it’s simpler to just respond with rates, direct them to your website or advert and leave it to them if they want to book.

Yes, I agree. But he asked the question so I gave my opinion. Now he knows what to say and more importantly how it’s likely to be received. I know where he’s coming from because I get anxious about social interaction too.

“Hi, I’d really love it if you were ok to do a short video of our session, just for me so that I can view it between our meetings. Is that something you’d be ok with and if so how much would it be?” Something like that. I get asked for ‘extras’ occasionally and it’s almost always a painful experience because the client is reticent about asking. They drop hints, or talk around it…and it’s frustrating! Just ask it straight, be polite but be clear about what you want. Your provider will 100% not be offended or upset. They’ll appreciate you being direct.

I’m always happy to give a nice rim job (as long as he’s clean!). https://content.invisioncic.com/k323430/monthly_2024_10/IMG_7973.jpeg.5550abcd566bb0789d35d29e4ce2cd8c.jpeg

I’ve looked at the model and I couldn’t make it work. The job is fairly precarious anyway so to make it more random by constantly moving makes it even more precarious: your costs go up and you need to always find new clients. I’m lucky, I’m based in the middle of the biggest city in Europe. I don’t travel and get enough business because it’s London. However I still have a second income (Onlyfans etc) and other non sex industry work to reduce the variability of massage work and not rely completely on it. I think the only way you can make the model work on the road is to have a second job that requires travel and you do the massage or escort work whilst travelling. Only fans type work can be possible with that because you can do collaborations with guys when you visit their city. Lots of guys just travel around the world filming for their platforms, and they see clients off the back of that. However if the only reason you’re travelling is to do the massage or escort work then I think it’s too precarious (unless of course you’re in the top 0.1%).

Interesting observation. I think some clients make assumptions about providers, and when they come across things that challenge those assumptions it surprises them. During chat after a session one regular client told me he was surprised I was so educated 😂. This client happens to like having his arse slapped with a paddle and flogger. I told him “I went to public school, so of course I understand all about bending over and having your arse whipped”. (Note for Americans…public school in UK is private school as in fee paying). Sometimes clients just assume you’re doing this because you have no choice, they don’t realise it’s a vocation.

Everyone has a market. Understand it, own your identity and be confident. Your market will find you.

I can identify, although I think maybe you are believing the pictures that others present. They’re not necessarily reality. I have some gay friends but I don’t tend to hang out with them at the club, sauna, beach etc like you describe. I don’t do that with my straight friends either…and the groups do mix. How I spend my time with friends doesn’t have much to do with our sexual orientation. I’m not bothered about going to gay clubs, or gay themed events. If the event is of interest to me then I’ll go regardless of whether it’s a gay or straight event. I think you’re not unusual nor do you have a gay bug spray! You don’t need to live in a gay social bubble or do only ‘gay things’ with gay friends. Do what you want with who you want. I accept that my attitude is probably extreme because I refuse to be part of any group (my contrarian streak) but I think you shouldn’t worry about what others seem to be doing. Just do things you like with people you like and ignore the gay / straight labels.

A big dick goes a long way if you work as a provider or in porn. You need other attributes of course but a big dick definitely helps to make a start.

Exactly! ….And often is all the better because it doesn’t have the pressure of penetrative sex, either as a top or bottom. Remove that expectation and you can be more relaxed, explore different things and simply enjoy the intimacy rather than feel like you’re working towards a goal. That’s why I think massage is a great way to explore intimacy.

Amazed that some guys don’t have a toothbrush etc. I carry one around. I’ve got my kit with me - toothbrush, mouthwash, wipes, massage oil, lube, douche bulb etc… Sometimes clients book at short notice “hi I’m staying at xxx and looking for a massage this afternoon etc”. If I’m out in town then I can accept the booking. There’s always somewhere at their hotel you can freshen up before meeting them. Having said that a few clients like me to not have showered beforehand and to be ‘fresh from the gym’. None have ever said ‘oh and eat onions or garlic and don’t brush your teeth’ though! I can live with that because I’m sure they tried. I just clean off and don’t make a big deal about it. There’s been occasions when I’ve bottomed and not felt completely confident about things…it’s a relief to see he’s not especially large 😂…so one can emphasise when slight mishaps occur. I think advice on preparation for inexperienced guys is a great service. No one seems to ask how should they prepare though. I once saw a client who had only just finished douching as I arrived (at his apartment). Things got predictably messy so he broke off mid session to douche some more, but it didn’t help. I had to advise him to prepare much earlier, and let things settle down.

Supposedly ‘indistinguishable physically, cognitively and emotionally from an actual human…and prepared to fulfill any desire’ wow. If that claim is true then perhaps it might take business 😕. Imagine it pounding away at you for hours… just as you’re about to cum the battery runs out 😂. I think if I had one of these I’d tell it my desires are for it to do stuff like take the bins out, clean the bathroom and make me tea.

Gold means he’s paying top price for advertising on RentMasseur. They have 3 levels and if you go for the top one (Gold) you get more features and prominence as a masseur. I do the Gold option because otherwise the site has limited use for me. Certified means he has sent to RM his massage qualification certificate. In some jurisdictions it’s mandatory to have such certification if you’re advertising massage services. I wouldn’t attach too much meaning to either if you’re thinking that these are indicative of quality. Best to look at reviews, see how long he’s been practicing and advertising, and go by how he responds to any enquiry.

If he advertises as doing erotic or sensual massage then you can safely assume he’ll offer at least a happy ending, probably more. If he advertises as therapeutic only then best not to ask about sexual elements. I prefer it when clients ask for exactly what they want. My advertising is clear I think that I offer sexual services but some clients still seem anxious to ask in case it offends me! Honestly it doesn’t offend me (nothing does, I’ve heard it all). I prefer it when clients are clear about what they want. if it’s something I wouldn’t want to include then I’ll just say ‘sorry I don’t do that’. No problem!

I think it’s more about how the client raises it. Yes, I do want to know if you’re inexperienced or really anxious because I think I can help with that. But some clients raise it in a way that implies that they’re a more attractive client for me: as in “I’m a virgin / really tight / straight and have never been with a guy and I really want you to do x…” etc. in the hope that I’ll offer a session for free. That’s a red flag. But if someone says “I’d like to book but I’ve not hired before and am worried about x” then that’s not a red flag: it just means I might need to engage a bit more than usual to answer his questions. I can tell when he’s a genuine inexperienced guy and when he’s fishing for a discount or wanting to sext.

Yes, if they’re both involved in the session. If one just wants to watch (it happens, some guys like watching) then I don’t charge extra.

I’d say it’s more likely for the price to go up if the client is difficult or unreliable more than if they’re older or not in great shape. Certainly I’m not bothered about age or shape and that never affects the price. Everyone pays the same. However, I do find clients who are disrespectful, unreliable (flaky) or not clean more difficult to see and so those people, if they come back, will attract a higher rate. Call it an ‘asshole premium’. Usually when I tell them the rate for their next visit they change their mind. Job done 🙂

I’m sure it happens because I know clients of mine who see other guys that I know, in some instances I have recommended them. I’ve also had other providers I know contact me about a client to ask if they’re genuine (as in reliable to turn up) because the client had mentioned he’d seen me. In a couple of those it was because the client had seen us both together in videos. Other times it’s because I get enquiries about 4 hands so I send the client the details of the guys I do that with. There’s a line though that one doesn’t cross whether it’s discussing other providers with clients or clients with providers and that’s details about their identity or their performance. People’s confidentiality is sacrosanct, so is their self esteem. I only say positive things if asked “would x be good?”. I’m happy to share if a client was flaky or wanted to negotiate on price but that’s it. What someone likes doing etc is not for me to share because it’s up to each individual (provider or client) to decide whether the other person is good for them.

Never works for me. My rates clear (no legal need to be coy about it here) and if the client wants a reduction on that it’s a “no” regardless of their reason. Negotiating on rates always ends up disappointing one party to the deal so why start the arrangement like that? If they want something that isn’t advertised then fine, make a proposal to me, but I usually find in those instances the client wants me to quote first.

I’ve been on prep for about 4 years. It’s now just natural to not use a condom and most guys I know don’t use them. Most clients I see don’t use them. If I go to a sex party (not often, maybe a few times a year) no one uses a condom. Prep has changed attitudes, on the whole I think for the good. I’m aware of the risks of other sexually transmitted infections… because catching something can affect my business but more importantly my health, therefore I get tested every month. I think if you are having bareback sex then it’s imperative to get tested regularly.

No decent provider will have any expectations of your performance. Honestly it doesn’t matter to them if you don’t stay hard long or you don’t shoot all over the place. What really matters is you’re a nice guy who turns up and enjoys himself. I do find it useful to know if you don’t cum when you orgasm, or if you might not get there (although I see that as a challenge ha ha). But none of this is of much importance to me as long as I can tell that you’re enjoying yourself….and if you are then I am too. Last week I saw a client who doesn’t cum when he orgasms - medical reasons. Another guy last week has a patch where his insulin is delivered (he removed the insulin line before we started but said he may need a bite to eat part way through - no problem). I had to avoid the patch area when massaging him. Another time a client had a pump thing he used to get his cock hard - he told me about that because you could feel it under the skin. I’ve had similar with guys who had a pacemaker thing in their chest. It’s really not unusual to see clients with conditions or things that they think might be a limiting factor in how their session runs. I find all of it interesting and to be honest it’s kind of flattering because they chose me for their session. It’s a turn on for me to know that this person laying on my massage table or in the bed had all the providers in London to choose and they saw my profile and said ‘yeah him, he looks ok’. Then they come and enjoy themselves, leave happy and even better they book again. How awesome is that! 😊. Most guys doing this work for any length of time will be doing it because they genuinely enjoy the job in the way I describe. Find one of those providers, tell him what you need to for your peace of mind and then let him do his thing. Relax, enjoy yourself, explore, smile, don’t take it too seriously or over think It. I would also say I agree massage would be a good idea, it’s nice to build intimacy and is like a seduction….and you’re right about the oil! The previous posters @jmichaeliiiand @dbar123 both said it too. They’re right. My perspective from a provider point of view is the same as theirs.

Ah yes I’m talking from a UK perspective. However I’m sure it’s more of a perceived risk than a real one? Especially so if you hire a guy who has been around a while and is well reviewed.

There’s no agreed definition. You best ask what’s included. I advertise sensual massage, sometimes clients request anal intercourse (give or receive) and other things across a range of activities. I’m open to discussing it as part of a sensual massage, and depending on what’s agreed my rate may vary. The important thing is that if you specifically want something included then ask your masseur. Someone advertising sensual or erotic will be open to such requests. Someone advertising therapeutic only should not be asked for any sexual type services.