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I agree @haring222 as I dislike the social phenomenon of ghosting. My guess is that guys are nervous about being direct/honest and seek to avoid confrontation by being silent. I’m not sure I’d term it ‘rude’, however, as it was a commercial arrangement but I certainly consider it unprofessional. I commend your restraint for not ‘naming and shaming’ the individual in question. All you can do is seek another provider.

I so agree @rogerG When I was single, I enjoyed fancy parties as I used to chat to any young handsome waiter who ‘caught my eye’. It was a surprisingly easy way to find a date for later ;-)

But the smarter guys soon learn that they have to get physical and do more than strip if they want to get stuff for free

We don’t know how old @peter is - if he’s young, this may be very interesting info for him. A few years back, when I was in my 50s, I had the same ‘admission’ made to me by a very hot blond muscleboy (a dedicated bottom with a submissive streak). I’d enjoyed several dates with him before I suggested playing overnight. He asked what I had in mind and I outlined my usual routine, also stating there’d be 7 hours sleep and he could decide where we had dinner. He was unsure what to charge me, so we left that part vague. On the day, he arrived around 5pm and left before 9am. We had great fun together and I ended up topping him 3x and he also sucked me off to completion 2x. In the morning, he told me it’d been very enjoyable as he liked how I fucked him and he’d had 7 hours sleep...so he charged me 3x his (quite high) hourly rate. He confided that I was only the 2nd guy to play with him overnight. His first overnight had been 2 weeks earlier with a guy of 30 who topped him 6x in the night and he (the bottom) was unable to sleep and felt very fully “used” by the morning. So he charged the guy 5x his hourly rate.

Here’s a link http://www.towleroad.com/2019/06/jay-dymel/

You have a lot of good advice above, especially from @liubit I did a lot of overnight dates and as it happens, I had a very similar routine to that outlined by @liubit and @spider My strong advice would be that you must decide what you need/want. If you want a BFE with lots of kissing and cuddling, say so; if you like to bottom, prepare well and tell the guy; and if you only top, tell the guy that so he can prepare. FWIW I disagree with the advice from @azdr0710. I would NOT ask what he wants to do (tho I always asked about his diet before booking dinner) and I certainly would NOT allow time for his “personal chores” - for goodness sake, it’s only 10-12 hours and you’re paying for him to focus on you and your needs, tho you should allow him to shower by himself after you’ve had fun ;-)

I agree completely. For a while, I rented a lovely but small 1bed apartment (high floor, 2 exposures) in a very fancy co-op building on 76th Street. I enjoyed it so much that when a 2bed apartment came up for sale, I was keen to buy but I lost interest on finding that the monthly costs were $20k!

Matt does indeed have “blowjob lips”

And I agree with you @maninsoma Unfortunately I can see those exact arguments being made by the heavyweight client who doesn’t want to pay for the bed he broke

I agree with what you say @Dmitri tho I’ve known some heavily overweight guys to be irrational about the impact of their weight. I wonder how in practice a masseur would be able to gain reimbursement from the client.

Thanks @marylander1940 This brought back happy memories. It’s a rather old photo of a charming young Brazilian wannabe-model/actor. I wonder what happened to him.

Oddly enough @edjames my boyfriend and I were discussing this play over dinner last night. We saw it at the Young Vic in London....twice, because we enjoyed it so much. Each time, we saw the 2 parts on separate evenings a couple of weeks apart. FWIW we both found Part 1 to be more compelling than Part 2. I strongly recommend you see the play.

All over his sharply-etched abs, or ‘cum-gutters’ as I call them, while I’m pounding his hole

Not in my experience, and I’ve had quite a few group sessions. Many escorts are happy to join in a spit-roast tho. There was an earlier thread on organizing a group. Again, my experience is that it takes considerable time to do the research and co-ordinate the diaries of various guys. Make sure you play with each guy 1on1 first, and hire a variety (eg I’m a top only so hired a mix of versatile guys and enthusiastic bottoms). Be very specific with the guys as to what you want to have happen. Given the high costs involved anyway, I also suggest you spend money on getting a large suite in an hotel; otherwise it’s a lot of cleaning-up if you host this at home.

Thanks for posting a very interesting report and commentary @edjames I agree with the Olivier Awards nominating committee and I disagree with @bostonman. I saw Hadestown in London and tho I enjoy musicals very much, I found it boring and the score repetitive

Tho he’s very attractive, the shorts have to go. Flat on his back and in white briefs, he’d be irresistible.

I can’t help on whether the ad is for real. Certainly if those photos are truly of the advertiser, he definitely could be a male model. Of course, even successful male models struggle to maintain their living standards on an erratic and variable income.

Not to detract from the main thread but I appreciate what you wrote @Benjamin_Nicholas . Like you, I don’t care about PC usage. I chose the term deliberately because I wanted to highlight the difference in manners and expectations and convey that it may be old-fashioned; I wouldn’t apply the term to people. I would not say that all people of Asian ethnicity or all people in Asia are very polite. IME the Japanese and Thai people still display exquisite manners in public and private. I have however seen astonishing displays of rudeness and appalling bad manners by people in China and Vietnam.

Contact again. You can never know what’s in another person’s mind and you don’t know why he didn’t respond to your chatty texts. - maybe he was busy, - maybe he was not as thrilled by you as you were by him, - maybe he doesn’t share your almost-Oriental levels of politeness and saw no reason to thank you for your ‘thank you’ texts Put simply, your previous session gave you what you wanted. You may well enjoy a second date just as much. If he doesn’t respond to your request for another session, then move on to another masseur.

I was recently in Porto with my boyfriend - beautiful city - and there was never a problem with us being a gay couple. Lisbon is next on our list. I can’t help with commercial ‘opportunities’ as you put it. There was a recent thread. You may do better by sending PMs to the guys who mentioned they have some knowledge. https://m4m-forum.org/threads/does-anyone-have-any-experience-hiring-in-portugal.136403/#post-1507585

It’s expensive but so worth it. If you’re having a group all at once, rather than serial guys 1-on-1, be explicit about what you want to do/see/have done to you, ie emphasize that you want to be the centre of attention or ‘meat in the sandwich’ if that is what turns you on.

Listen to me next time. I said Get your ASS into the bedroom!

Reading the 2 ads as @Gar1eth says, he’s bisexual, not tall and has a very good body. The rest is speculative comment. If you’re planning to have a date with him @irfy why not ask him what he will do to you and for you? I feel you can learn a lot about a man from how he responds to a polite enquiry.

It’s hardly a new phenomenon. So many handsome guys don’t realize that their ‘time in the spotlight’ is very limited. I don’t know whether it’s a mixture of arrogance and ignorance that leads them to believe they can rely on their physique/looks to make a successful living. And soon enough a new crop of fit 20somethings with handsome faces and muscled bodies comes along for our delectation.

Because @MassageAdam people often say one thing but do another