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Interesting thread. I didn’t realise this guy had an ad and was open about escorting. I have never hired anyone for a cam-show but I knew he did do that. The photos are realistic and I checked that he is briefly in Toronto. I met him some years ago when he was just starting out as a body builder. I’m a top only and back then, he was obliging and enthusiastic; decent oral skills and happy to bottom for me. I cannot speak to how he is currently. I put him in that category of guys who may not define as gay but prize their bodies and spend lots of time and effort developing their physique. Without much income to support their lifestyle, they soon realise that only older gay men will appreciate them.

@SirBIllybob That brought back lots of happy memories of 2000-2002. London at that time saw lots of immigrants arrive from different countries: Brazilian muscleboys, Slovak bottoms, wild Aussies, eager-to-please Spaniards etc. I did my best to make the handsome young men feel at home in London. I happened to meet in a Soho coffee-shop a handsome 21year old Brazilian with a long athletic torso. His working name was Enzo and he went to work at VG the day after arriving in London. Enzo had a Brazilian friend and flat-mate, 21-22years old - working name Fred - who wasn’t as handsome but had a terrific upper body with huge pecs. Enzo was rather charming while Fred was obsessed with physical perfection and having cosmetic procedures to remedy supposed ‘defects’. Both men were smart and they realised after only a week at VG that they could make much more money by advertising/finding clients direct. I had a date with each of them one week. Both Enzo and Fred were versatile in bed and happy to bottom for me. I also arranged evening dates with them separately and put them with other new guys; that made for entertaining 3ways and a couple of memorable 4gies. My dates with Enzo and Fred together were fun, but they were much more uninhibited when I played with them separately. I used to keep a straight face when each of them asked me not to tell the other what they did for me in bed. Fred referred to Enzo as his boyfriend, while Enzo earnestly assured me they were not a couple and that he was falling for me and wanted to be my “boyfriend”. I knew that Enzo liked my big, fat cock but that he truly liked my big, fat wallet - Enzo amply demonstrated the truth of that old adage: Love sucks, but true love swallows. I never visited VG but I’m so glad it exists and hope it continues to thrive.

Well written @jazboy. When I was a modelizer (some years ago), I often found that the offer of $1000 gained me access to many men who didn’t “normally escort”. I may have been in full lust but I wasn’t an idiot. Once the date was arranged, I was charming but insistent that the date was for dinner and overnight. Only once was I ‘held to ransom’ by a very fit LA model who demanded $1500 (despite having earlier agreed to $1000) and had various restrictions. I gave in when he agreed to being photographed as well as giving me ‘unrestricted access’ 3x that night.

@CaptainPecs It’s definitely not “a massage parlour” or a place you’d go if you want a therapeutic massage. VG has been running for many years; it operates discreetly because it’s in a residential area. It seems always to have kept within the confines of the law in the UK. Consensual activities between 2 adults in private are lawful.

I thought @SirBIllybob was referring to the OP planning to hire a car in Portugal. Unless the OP also plans to keep the same car in Spain and then drive it back to Lisbon....

My guess @Quincy_7 is that English escorts may be more attuned to attracting and building a regular clientele. Foreign and visiting escorts may try to charge as much as possible because they only plan on working for a limited time. Definitely not so @keroscenefire. In fact, refugees and newly arrived economic migrants qualify for more generous social benefits than established, tax-paying citizens and residents. And the UK provides greater benefits than does Germany. In part, this generosity has caused anti-migrant sentiment..

@GregM, I think @Spursy is spot-on with his advice. I would not drive a car in either city. Think of Lisbon as a version of San Francisco in Europe. Uber is rather cheap in Portugal. In Spain, whether Uber will be available when you visit is debatable; there have been legal challenges and protests by taxi-drivers so the service in Barcelona was withdrawn. Nonetheless, using easy and cheap public transport from Madrid, you can get to many places with a combination of good train services and rapid buses.

Wow @Skip, necrophilia?! That’s a first for this forum, I think

There’s a lot of recent info in this thread already. As has been noted, the guys change very often. From someone I know who worked there, the one thing you will not get is “a rubdown with some oils” - it’s consensual activity between two adults.

Not unless he does a lot of catalogue work @tassojunior. Top male models earn very little; the real money spinner is being the face and body for a fragrance. But I guess his work as a personal trainer must bring him into contact with a lot of older male and female clients who will appreciate him.

Congratulations. I’m in very similar circumstances to you @Unicorn. I’ve been with my much younger man for over 5 years now. The advice from my lawyer was categoric: pay for him to get good legal advice separately from another lawyer, and get the agreement signed long before the actual wedding. This helps to make the agreement enforceable should things go wrong later. (My lawyer described cases where the agreement had not been followed in the courts because the poorer party did not have the benefit of separate legal advice, or where it had all been done in the lead-up to the wedding.)

Interesting. I knew his modeling work had really dried up but I didn’t think he’d be so overt about the need to supplement his income. I’d assumed he’d stay ‘under-the-radar’: possibly aspire to be a “$1000 an hour” companion or seek to be the boyfriend of another movie actor.

My definition of a millennial is a man as young as 18 upto and including a man aged 30. As a very approximate indicator, I’d say it’s any man who grew up as the Harry Potter books were published.

IMHO This is a bizarre thread. I recognize 2 of the men but no-one is wearing anything attractive. Speedos are one-piece so why aren’t they featured prominently?

As Julius Caesar didn’t say: I know, I met, I came.

I strongly agree with [uSER=19303]@europeanman[/uSER] and @Jeff Meuller Don’t be nervous @kaboom35 - approach the meeting as you would a promising first date and you’re likely to have a great time. Over many years, almost all my hirings were of non-reviewed guys. I reviewed some men but latterly many guys did not want a review or publicity. In that time, I had 1 bad experience and was let down 2x so the vast majority of my dates were excellent and thoroughly enjoyable. (FWIW the bad experience occurred early on when a guy demanded the cash upfront (and promptly forgot everything we’d agreed prior) and the ‘let downs’ were with 2 well-reviewed guys who were raved over in this forum).

I mean no offence @Smurof but wouldn’t this thread make more sense in the Traveling Members forum?

There are links/references to each in this thread @joethomas and Google Images will help your memory. The images of Olivier show him well, and obviously 15 years older than when he was working. The IG of Marco is still up and he is bearded in a lot of the pics; you just have to bear in mind that he was a good deal taller than Olivier.

I wonder @gilbert if that’s the same guy I know of. Are we both intrigued by a certain super man aka Henry?

@Mocha I mean this kindly. You do appreciate that posting on the internet is like trying to win an argument with strangers? It’s exceedingly rare that someone ever says “I was wrong and you are right”. FWIW My view is that you should do whatever you feel is right for you...but please do so without any pronouncements of what it is and why it’s right for you.

Knowing certain casting directors, my guess is that his award was a well-used ‘couch’ ;-)

Just an aside but I remember him fondly too. We had a date near his apartment in WeHo and he provided excellent full service. He wasn’t camera-shy at all.

Oh @jjkrkwood you are being provocative. You know how much Bryan hates being mentioned here because he is NOT gay! And your humour is rather dubious because he is a musical artist now. References to his past are not welcome. And did I mention that he is most definitely NOT gay?!

You are quite right @SirBIllybob. The impact of these very short-term rentals was quite severe in some areas (as was the often extreme behaviour of the renters). The move to restrict them by the current Mayor has proved very popular with locals.

Beautifully put @Epigonos. I could not have said it better.