DrownedBoy

They can. They just won't receive any extra social status from me, and a good chance at a snide remark.

You poor, poor man.

Yeah, enjoying bodybuilders is not a poor man's sport. Unfortunately, with many bodybuilders, it's also not a sport for people unwilling to put up with an attitude. YMMV, but it's also harder to find truly gay bodybuilders who are willing to do the full menu of options.

I agree with the above, but would add that some clients like showing off social status by being seen with guys out of their league.

I think many escorts (at least the older and savvier ones) have some kind of "loyalty" perks for regulars, but for obvious reasons neither provider nor client should or would talk about it. It's kinda tacky putting a "10% off" sticker on your ass, although I've seen some desperate ones do that.

Agreed - ICE would be the most appropriate response, and would remove a thief from the country. He won't have any opportunities (or rights) to try and attack you.

Same thing happened to me - guy rolled a joint as soon as he came, insisted on smoking it on my balcony, and spent a good chunk of the session on his back on the floor (to clarify, that's not the position I wanted him in). A little sh!t. Drug use among providers is very very common - among bodybuilders, steroids and other juice are pretty much certain. I've only had three (the one above, a meth user, and a roid rager) where the drugs actually caused problems during a session.

Have them fill out their own profile on RentMen and send you it. They don't need photos, but should have stats and what they're into. Like several said above - premium RM customers, who have lots of reviews under their belt, should be a main target. Too bad most providers don't realize that basic business tip.

Yup. Never ever disclose things like "discounts" or "special services." The YMMV rule pretty much prevents too much information from being accurate.

I share general information on clients, whether they're good or bad, but I don't get into the gory details. Given that I hire for BDSM and never intercourse, that's probably a good move.

A karmic circle. Those who try to hire him get an OF scam. EDIT Or stupid enough to try and hire; just as bad.

I know many providers have OF accounts, and we've all heard arguments about how some providers aren't meeting people, just trying to get people to subscribe. Apparently, it's a growing trend. Here's one without a phone number that requires clients to subscribe to OF to even contact him. Is this becoming more common, because to me it's just bait-and-switch. https://rent.men/Zakarieee#platinum

Chatting is always good. Personally, I'd prefer to hear what providers have to talk about. It seems like usually, they're the ones who have to sit and listen to other people talk about themselves.

I hired a guy like this once. His ad said he was "420 friendly". He was way more than that - he just started rolling a blunt the moment he arrived, without asking me (I made him use my balcony). The weed put him on his back on the floor. He wasn't even in a position to put an arm around me.

I've seen no shift in hiring platforms for the past decade. I see no rise in professionalism - you still have to search out good ones, and endlessly suffer the flakes. I'm sure OF and other content places are growing, but I personally need in person contact - you need more than the sense of sight. While some money is being made, it's rare to make good money off social media, especially when every escort and their brother is trying to.

Ditto, was going to meet with a visitor to Chicago, but his dates on the ad and what he claimed made no sense, and he seemed to be acting weird. Cancel.

He appears to be a "shaver". It may be desperation, but based on my reading of his texts and his post here, it appears to be narcissistic entitlement based on his inflated perception of himself as an elite bodybuilder. That is, he considers himself high class and sees nothing wrong between stealing a deposit here, some time there, as most people think he's honest. It's just money, and he's grabbing as much as possible while doing as little as possible. And only keeping the richest clients happy. He miscalculated, and his ad is down now. I guess he'll need to get another job to pay for those protein supplements.

All I wanted to add is, even with gay men, the older they get, the more likely they are to value true connection and soften their standards. That part is universal to all humans. When I was in my 20s, my gay friends were easily the most dysfunctional and troubled group I ever knew, and understood only physical attraction. I don't recall lots of guys in their 20s settling down.

Yeah exaggeration. It only happened to me once. I read someone mention a guy making a scene earlier.

Chicago is getting higher - the past few months I've seen a lot of new ads on RM. And saw the first ad offering discounts. And rates aren't at LA/ NYC levels. This market is the canary in the coal mine, as I think Simon here once said.

I'm a premium subscriber and always got negative comments removed - it's a private number (meaning anything is possible slander), and I tell them it's random insults from the gay community. Once I emailed them directly. It kept my entry clean. A lot of famed escorts have both good and bad reviews on Mr. Number. Some praise; others say he cut their time. YMMV.

I used ChatGPT as well, since I was playing with SA. Since I wasn't looking for actual sexual intercourse, I got estimates on what amateurs would accept. Surprisingly, it was correct - half of what escorts on RM make, roughly. SA guys gobbled that up, although they still require good screening. The price goes up with sex. Didn't need a computer analysis to tell me that.

Older millennial, but yeah, that's been my experience too. I also prefer the cuddling and conversation during hookups and sessions. And it's common to end up FaceBook friends even if you don't become FWB. The key word here is "listen". Anyone who doesn't let their partner talk, and at least get to know them, is not going to have good experiences. It works both ways, and if you just kick the guy out of the bed after sex, you're not going to make any friends. This applies to Grindr as well as providers, although there are always people you're not going to click with no matter what.

I'm sorry...I'll close this thread.

AI it. Courtesy of ChatGPT. ""Serving cake" in gay slang typically refers to showing off one's butt, often in a confident, playful, or flirtatious manner. It can describe someone wearing tight or revealing clothing that highlights their rear, or posing in a way that emphasizes it. In ballroom or drag culture, it may also imply confidently presenting one's body or look, especially from behind, as part of a performance or persona. Context matters—used humorously among friends, it signals body positivity or sex appeal; in a more serious tone, it can affirm someone's swagger or dominance in style and presence.It’s visual and performative, not sexual in action. However, in very specific sexual banter, someone might jokingly stretch the phrase to imply rimming or being rimmed—especially if layered with innuendo—but that would be nonstandard usage and highly dependent on tone and context. In general gay slang, the phrase doesn’t include rimming.