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That's how they trap you, but that is also your mistake. Sometimes when big jobs come along it is tempting to move from our normal boundaries. While this client may be kind and generous in some ways - he at best has issues with the client/provider dynamic, and at worst is trying to get more for nothing. And the deception about the uber in order to leave you stranded in another city, what a frightful and actually scary way to behave. When these situations arise and people are negotiating big trips, it can be hard because you want to be flexible enough to land the big gig, but also you have to be able to walkaway afterwards (or during) feeling devalued. We have to be able to say "my daily rate is XYZ", and what happened to you on this trip is why. You need to be able to walk away from a negation. I personally price my long trips quite high because the reality is, being 'ON' 24/7 is draining, emotionally, physically and very taxing. Having said that - @RALLX If i was making an international trip with a client and forgot to pack my shaver, I would hope my client didn't make such a big deal of it. I have forgotten things like that. But I also wouldn't be so rude as to insist on certain brands and so forth with clothes. Good luck for your next trips and although everything should be discussed first, it is normal that a provider is not out of pocket for the trip. So drinks/food/activities are covered by the client. If the provider wants to buy themselves something while they are away, they can, and if the client wants to buy the provider gifts - they can. Gifts are never to be 'expected'. Not by anyone with manners anyway.

I have received the following requests - come clean shaven. let your stubble grow out. trim your chest hair, shave your chest hair. make sure balls are sooth, shave all your pubic hair, let your pubic hair grow out, wear cologne, don't wear cologne. Wear a suit and tie. Wear gym clothes. Wear preppy clothes. wear a cap. wear boxers. wear white briefs. wear no underwear. Wear jockstrap. answer the door with just a towel on. be having sex when I walk in and join. Wear your socks for a few days. wear same underwear for a few days. The list goes on and on. As always - it is best to JUST ASK what you are wanting. Side note - it can be pretty rude to say to not just a provider, but anyone, things like "i preferred it when you had smooth chest/long hair/no tattoos etc etc'

it appears you lack comprehension skills as well as manners John Wayne Gacy. I don't actually need too, but here we go - I said of course you would come and applaud that behavior and commenting. I never said you wrote those things yourself- THIS TIME.

To the surprise of absolutely NO ONE you come out to delight in saying gross things about people from behind your keyboard in your dank basement. Perfect example of someone who has absolutely nothing going for them in life and they get off on talking shit about guys who would never look twice at them. Pigs like to roll in shit. No one has a problem with people expressing opinions. Where did anyone say you can't express an opinion? No one is shaming anyone for not liking the guy - but to say someone is worthless is shameful and deserves to be ridiculed. You should be embarrassed to talk like that. And if you had decency, you would be. The culture has moved on John Wayne Gacy and you haven't got with the program yet - the way people were commenting was vile and an unacceptable way to behave these days.

The best course of action, as always - is to pose this exact question to your provider. Enjoy!

Ebori - My dude when you read this forum, don't stress or feel bad. You are 21, you have a great body, beautiful eyes, a head full of hair. You are very sexy and most of these guys commenting are lurkers who have absolutely nothing going for them in life and they get off on talking shit about guys who would never look twice at them.

They are only accepting crypto payments currently. Been like this all day. It seems mastercard, like visa and amex are no longer accepted. This will be a big blow to their business model for sure.

fixed. thanks.

There is a lot more danger for women than men. Women are much more vulnerable, and more likely to be raped + murdered in general - but especially in these situations. Men walk home at night or ride the subway at night and don't really worry - where for women it can be deadly. Men and male providers do not have as much to worry about in that sense, both in and out of the industry.

Some do, some don't. Some charge slightly more, some charge a per person rate. Even when you charge more for couples, it usually still works out to a discounted per-person rate. For example, a standard rate of $400 pre hour or $500 for couples comes to $250 each, rather than $400 each - hence why I said it's "effectively half the rate". Some providers don't charge extra at all but in my experience, very few actually price two clients session at double the standard rate. When I did the big group session, I was paid my regular overnight fee, and could go once the play stopped. Just reach out to a provider who you think would be down for it and see what magic happens!

Rentmen messenger is notoriously fickle and even when you do these steps - there is no way of knowing if the issue is not effecting the person you are trying to message. That is why providers so often ask you to text them instead.

this is fantastic advice - for anyone, no matter their size.

You already answered your question here. Of course they will say yes. My advice - reach out to provider you like, be honest about your size (i promise they have seen bigger) and go and enjoy yourself. You will have better luck if you chose someone who is already well reviewed both on rentmen and on here. Maybe even reach out to the escort that moved to Germany and ask him if he has any friends you think you'd click with. Good Luck and Enjoy.

I 100% have had clients specifically request NO DEODORANT. If you have a fetish for this kind of smell, it is so simple- you just ASK FOR IT. I didn't, and Brandin didn't either. CORRECT. 👏 why is this controversial? CORRECT 👏 again. say it louder for the people up the back. (important word here is CLEAN) I have a regular client that plans our schedules around when I go to the gym so that I can see him straight afterwards- still wearing my sweaty gym gear and underpants. I see him weekly, he knows my regular gym class schedule. I message him if my gym plans change so we can work around it. Sometimes I wear the same underpants from the day before for him when I work out so when I see him to give it gives it an extra PANG. Guess what @Luv2play- I STILL SHOWER AND + GET FRESH AND CLEAN MY ASS BEFORE I WORK OUT SO MY ASS DOESN'T SMELL LIKE SHIT. This is a VERY DIFFERENT scenario than what we were discussing with the OP. If you are wanting SWEATY MAN SMELL - no problem just request that. @Luv2playI am telling you, as a PROVIDER, we are NOT requesting or excited by a client who is not clean and smelling fresh. While some clients, such as yourself, request no deodorant or cologne, please understand that unless this is specifically requested, it is generally assumed that we use these products at a basic level. Not doing so would be outside the norm. (not that there is anything wrong with natural scent - JUST ASK FOR IT) We can be smelly and dirty if you ask, but unless you ask for it - it would be rude of us to arrive smelly and dirty -RIGHT? same applies both ways. Unless we ask for you to arrive smelly - please don't. Don't know why this is so hard for y'all to accept but I am getting to my wits end here. Is this the twilight zone? Have a shower and brush your teeth daily + always assume your partner (and ESPECIALLY YOUR PROVIDER) wants you CLEAN. PLEASE. Have a nice day!

You can't win them all! My loss I am sure.

You have no manners. Good bye and good luck.

Some people have accused me of having disdain for my clients, which couldn't be further from the truth - but this is a fantastic example the kind of nonsense we have to navigate. @OvrwghtQT what a strange hill to die on. Soap and water is not militant. It's good manners, no matter where you are or from. JFC @OvrwghtQT Here is a some helpful info for you - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ah-T96wW0

read again. I think you are missing the vital word of "AND" in my sentence. The word AND is added to show that I was describing a THE MIXTURE OF ALL THREE SMELLS. My bad if that was not clear. 🤮 Next time you are sucking someone off who hasn't wiped their ass properly and been sweating all day, get back to me and let me know how much you enjoyed it. It is very different from sucking a nice fresh clean one, I assure you. I'm sorry someone has had to explain how to wash yourself properly as a way of good manners before you are going to be intimate with them. Like I said, it is difficult to do without offending. My apologues you are offended by this. But I can answer your question about what I hope my clients do before a full escort session = showering as described above, with the additional step of douching. I certainly do, but I also wear deodorant, cologne, moisturize, put product in my hair, shave, add fresh bed sheets and towels, and tidy the apartment/hotel if I am hosting. You sound like someone who doesn't wipe their ass properly - god knows why else you would be defending this behavior. Madness. I hope you brush your teeth daily. I am actually shocked that it seems controversial to arrive properly cleaned to a session where you are going to be intimate with someone. The push back here is baffling. But once again - some guys are oblivious. Please shower throughly beforehand people, your provider will thank you and you will have a better experience as a result. What a crazy thing to have to explain to people. Sigh.

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so how much washing is required? fully soaped up ALL areas of body, including under arms, under balls, inside ass crack, around or even a little inside your hole, fully cover your cock and pull back foreskin if you have one, rinse all water off. Repeat if you can. then fully dry off. ideally brush teeth or at least gargle some mouthwash to freshen up if you are wanting kissing. You should wash yourself with vigor and be overly thorough. Treat it as if someone is about to inspect every inch of your body - which is generally what happens in a massage! Not just a quick rinse of water over your back or some water splashed on your face. Just because the client showered, does not mean he has done so properly. Not everyone has the awareness of hygiene, and it is really awkward and difficult to tell someone without offending. True Story - I offered a gentleman to have a shower when he arrived dripping with sweat and B.O and he said "i showered this morning." I said, "well I had one 10 minutes before you arrived, why don't you have another one now and freshen up - don't worry about the time it takes to be all clean, the session will not start until you are out of the bathroom." A normal person would read between the lines and go and throughly clean themselves, but this guy was in and out in probably under a minute. During the session he wanted me to suck him off and when I went down there I had to cut the session and say 'look we need a break, I need you to go back and really take your time cleaning up and washing everything down there, ok?' he replied "but why?" like I said earlier - OBLIVIOUS. I don't know if he wasn't wiping his ass properly or not, but the smell of shit, ball sweat and pre-cum is not a pleasant aroma for the best of us. The second time he went in the shower for maybe 2 minutes. Clearly not clean. I said, 'no no, let me come in with you' and had to wash him down myself.

I always offer my guests a chance to wash off in the shower and have the mouthwash ready by the sink. I also only buy fragrance free body soap so the men who have partners need not worry about having a different scent when they return home. @viewing ownly It might be helpful to simply ask your provider "hey do you have an mouthwash i can use?"

Unwashed and unclean.

This is very accurate. Many people contact via rentmen asking for massage only, sometimes they may only want a sensual massage, or they are scared about writing down what they REALLY want, which is completely understandable (although frustrating at times) A lot of clients are nervous full stop. Then there is a particular type of client that deliberately asks for massage only prices, but then try to receive full service upon meeting. (I always make it clear of the price structure before hand to avoid this) I fear the OP was offended when full service was not on the menu for the massage rate. Often rentmen are happy to upscale the session to full service rate when the client is comfortable (dick is rock hard) and asks for the next level. But by asking for massage only - it does also leave room for the provider to say "no this is massage only." And in cases where hygiene is an issue, well often the clients that have these issues are oblivious to it. The OP has left 6 contributions to the forums so far, 3 of which have ranged between completely negative to somewhat negative- and all mention MASSAGE ("great massage but not consistent" "i was 15 min late so we went straight to bed no massage and no offer to extend time" "airbnb was small") To me these comments indicate a client who is overly critical and extremely fussy, Like someone who posts bad yelp reviews when a restaurant makes them wait 5min for a table or doesn't refill the water quick enough. The only way we will know the truth is if the provider or client chooses to post a screenshot of MASSAGE ONLY discussion which i encourage either to do - [whilst redacting identifying numbers/screen names of course and staying within forum rules]

I have had a few different types of experiences and it either goes really well, or really bad. Bad first - Two friends (I think they actually met via craiglists or a forum like this) and the decided to go halves and hire a guy to share as they both enjoyed being dom. The problem arose when they realized they both had completely differing ideas of what "being dominant" meant for each of them and had no chemistry together. It ended up being very difficult for me, trying to please them simultaneously. I ended up having to treat them separately. Like - you first, then you second. The result was they both got a half hour session for about half the rate of a full hour (since they effectively split the bill) but they had to tolerate each other during it. It as clear they never knew each other and had only met that day, right then. It was a disaster. Good next - a group of guys that had played together before were having a party (more like a get together) and had me over to service them. It was a lot more relaxed despite there being many more guys. They were able to mingle and chill with each other when my hands were full. They all knew they were getting a turn, so there was no rush, no jealousy, no competition. The nights always ended up fantastic, and I always stayed way longer than planned or paid. The key for these things being successful is having all participants on the same page (prior relationships ideal) - not 'lets save money and all share one guy'.

Fascinating that a provider is effectively being told to 'shut up' in discussions about creating an environment that would foster and encourage more providers to participate. Bozo replies to my comment confirming that I agree with the assessment of his posts by questioning my truth as provider and saying that my value is worthless and yet me saying that I agree with (what appears to be) a consensus here on his regular posts......and yet I am the bad guy who should just be quiet/ say nothing/ don't defend myself. Lots of people here have mentioned Bozo, directly AND indirectly. He has been silent on every other reference to clowns in this thread but you both choose ME responding to him to berate and minimize. Says a lot.