Drew Collins

Finding a sugar daddy at 38 is a stretch but I wish him luck. 

He was Tom of Finland before Tom of Finland. Beautiful male faces and forms captured to perfection in a way cameras could not. 

Yeah i was thrown for a loop too. At first glance i thought this thread was going to be about either sugar daddy/sugar baby setups or about drugs 🤣

Happened to me once.  Maybe 25 years ago in Los Angeles.  I was young, a bit naive, and rarely spoke up for myself enough.
That was then; this is now.  😉
I would not tolerate that again.  Too clinical and detracts from the human connection I need from a thorough massage.
 

It’s not kissing without tongue. Kiss properly or not at all. 

Over the years I’ve learned that being direct about your needs is never an insult IF it comes from a place of clarity and kindness. You’re not telling him he’s bad at his job; you’re showing him how to make you a satisfied repeat client, and that’s valuable information. One way to do it without it feeling awkward is to show as much as tell: get on top of him and ride him slow, let him see how that pace feels good and how much you enjoy it. Compliment him while you’re doing it, then suggest a change, something like “I’d love to be under you going at this pace” or “you feel incredible when you move like this.”  Positive reinforcement goes a long way.
Remember too, providers want repeat clients, so telling him what works for you isn’t just personal, it’s professional. You’re helping him give better service.
This is a provider you’ve hired regularly, and I’d be hard-pressed to think he wouldn’t be open to making your experiences exactly what you want them to be.
Best of luck to you. 

Happened to me once.  Maybe 25 years ago in Los Angeles.  I was young, a bit naive, and rarely spoke up for myself enough.
That was then; this is now.  😉
I would not tolerate that again.  Too clinical and detracts from the human connection I need from a thorough massage.
 

Happened to me once.  Maybe 25 years ago in Los Angeles.  I was young, a bit naive, and rarely spoke up for myself enough.
That was then; this is now.  😉
I would not tolerate that again.  Too clinical and detracts from the human connection I need from a thorough massage.
 

Happened to me once.  Maybe 25 years ago in Los Angeles.  I was young, a bit naive, and rarely spoke up for myself enough.
That was then; this is now.  😉
I would not tolerate that again.  Too clinical and detracts from the human connection I need from a thorough massage.
 

Happened to me once.  Maybe 25 years ago in Los Angeles.  I was young, a bit naive, and rarely spoke up for myself enough.
That was then; this is now.  😉
I would not tolerate that again.  Too clinical and detracts from the human connection I need from a thorough massage.
 

Just search 1261. All good! Technically the best.

Yours is a very typical experience for me.  I've had a dozen masseurs over the years who started with therapeutic massages with full draping and nothing sexual.  We talk about their wife and kids, etc.  Then, after a few years and dozens of massages, they forgo the draping and start being more sensual.
People change.  The only thing constant in life is change.

I think the succession is secured for the next 100 years or so. Charles is proving to be a good King, he’s well liked and very well supported by the Queen. They clearly were meant for each other. William is like the late Queen Elizabeth, dutiful and fully aware of the role he’s destined to play. This model has worked more or less for over a thousand years (with a short break while we checked out Republicanism - which didn’t work here) so I think the institution will adapt and survive. It’s not good looks, charisma, eloquence or popularity that is needed to do the role, it’s a sense of destiny, determination and humility. William has those. Harry doesn’t. 

I wouldn’t make that assumption just because he has a professional job in porn. Almost a guarantee to be disappointed if you make that assumption if it’s not agreed upon prior or during the session IMO. 
 
Don’t have experience as a client but he’s a good friend… clearly I’m biased but I’d recommend giving him a try. 

From reading this thread and other  threads about provider / client relationships, something tells me that many clients don't communicate with the provider.
Is it intimidation ? Are clients intimidated by the gorgeous muscle guy on the other end of the phone and afraid to speak up and let them know what they are hiring him for ? (Maybe the provider is using his looks / body purposely to distract or intimidate and take over the dynamics of the arrangement ?)
Is it assumption? Do most clients 'assume' the provider knows what is expected of him during the appointment ?
Is it inexperience? Are most clients not experienced in doing business one-on-one and speaking up for what you need ? (And I mean one-on-one with any guy in business for himself:  providers, trainers, housepainters, landscapers, etc.)
Remember - you are the one with cash in your hands, and they're the ones providing a service which you want. All and any of the above can be overcome, so you take control of any situation.
 

I’d say your expectations are completely reasonable. If you’re paying for companionship, you’re not being picky in wanting to actually spend time together on the trip. Everyone needs personal time, but disappearing for half the day, especially on a short weekend, sounds more like he’s maximizing his own vacation rather than prioritizing you.
Communication is key. You’ve already done a few trips together, so this really should have been addressed the first time around, not several trips in. This is exactly why you need to be clear about expectations up front. No provider should be telling you on a trip you’re paying top dollar for, “I need my personal time.” That kind of comment is a big turn-off. At the end of the day, you’re paying for a fantasy, not their reality.
So approach it directly but calmly: tell him mornings matter to you and ask if he can adjust so the time feels balanced. If he pushes back or minimizes it in anyway, that’s your red flag. Honestly, that alone tells you what you need to know, you’re not getting what you’re paying for, and it may be best to move on. You’re a repeat customer and deserve better.

I learned a new word today!
Agreed.  I worked with a very build and handsome trainer who offered a workout/massage combo. He mentioned one of the other clients was always pushing boundaries with him and it bothered him. I was respectful and took things slow, and got a lot further with him than the other client ever did. 

With you on this. Part of the reason i hire, other than wanting to get off myself of course, is i specifically want to see a guy i otherwise would not be able to attract cum and know "i made him do that" 😅😆

I couldn't be the only one thinking that 🤣

How dare you be so rude to me…

Agreed!
In this era of "Grindr fatigue" even young hot guys are contemplating hiring. 
Btw whoever coined the phrase "hiring out of convenience not necessity" should be paid royalties. 

It was an attempt at a geometric pun, but I guess it failed.

Age and body type don’t matter (obviously they need to be over 21) to good escorts / masseurs. Those who decline clients who don’t fit their ideal are not proper sex workers. They’re just monetising their sex life. It’s a very different thing and as a client you’ll notice the difference. 

Is it time for my occasional opine…most of these guys are porn “performers” not porn “stars”.