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I've never really had concerns with hotel outcalls. It just seemed to me that hotel incalls (clients going to the provider's hotel) have the potential to invite more scrutiny from hotel staff/security.

This is something I've been curious about for a while. How do providers (particularly masseurs, who are seeing more clients than escorts) stay under the radar when taking clients at a hotel? Especially higher end ones with secure elevators and 24/7 security staff in the lobby? Say a provider is staying at a hotel for a week or two. Surely the staff will notice him meeting men in the lobby multiple times daily and they would figure out the score quickly. He would also be going through a lot of towels... Do hotels really not care? A masseur recently came through my area and I thought his choice of hotel was odd because he was staying in a swanky suite in an already expensive hotel. That would take a lot of massages to break even. And I thought that kind of volume would probably attract attention.

I've stuck with .eu because it seems to provide more profile information on a single page without having to keep clicking for more info.

I've wondered how much of this difference is biological and how much is cultural. Surely both are factors. I've heard that wealthy women in Japan have been known to hire male escorts, and that perhaps the service is focused more on providing intimacy than the act itself. But I don't know much about it. It's an interesting topic.

I knew a guy who charged well above market rate. He said he gets about 4 clients a month doing that and that's all he wanted. For some it's not necessarily about maximizing revenue. All the power to them. Decline and move on.

I put discount in quotes here because it's not really asking for discounts but having lower per hour rates for longer sessions as a matter of course.

Recently had a provider text me as part of a group chat where I could see the phone numbers of his former clients (and they could see mine, obviously). Another reminder why using my real number is off the table. He clearly had no sense of discretion even before that.

Thanks all, that's helpful.

Ha. Sounds like a clear cut case of 'block and move on' 🫣

I recently hired for a 4 hour session. Guy asked me how much I could offer and without thinking I just offered 4x his hourly rate. Afterward, I realized.... wait, that's more than people pay for an overnight... Thus this thread. Dude got what we agreed and I had a good time. But I'd like to be better informed for next time. Obviously, negotiation is not my strong suit. Lesson learned. And I realize now too that him asking me first was a red flag.

Say a provider's hourly rate is $400. Given that, what do you think a client can expect on average to pay for 2, 3, and 4 hour sessions? I know there's a lot of variability but I don't really have a good sense of what's typical in this case, so thanks for any input.

Side=Not into anal penetration. Not side hustling/sex work.

Yes! I've come to realize I actually enjoy it more than anal. I was recently with a guy where we both came this way. We were both oiled up and he was on top of me. As he was thrusting against my torso, the friction from his torso was stimulating me at the same time. I love this because it provides direct cock stimulation while maximizing skin to skin contact. I clasped my hands around him as he thrusted with enough power to rock the bed against the wall. That does so much more for me than getting my hole pounded. I don't really understand why this position isn't more popular among gay/bi men. It provides opportunity for an active and passive role, stimulates both cock simultaneously, and to me provides a higher level of intimacy. And no annoying anal prep. I feel like it should have a name more specific than frottage which seems like more of an umbrella term and also has an antiquated air to it. One downside with this position is that with shaved pubic hair in its 'prickly' phase the experience can be a bit scratchy.

@7829V deserves an award! This profile has always seemed sketchy to me.

Prosecutors are seeking 20 years in prison for the two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution that he was convicted of (10 years per count). Hope y'all aren't Ubering providers from Jersey to Manhattan...

Interesting that he only lists Cupertino for location. That would make his listing invisible for those searching SJ.

Thanks for offering it as an option. Though I think your experience answers the question at the top of this thread... "because not enough clients care."

I've tried to do this many times and WhatsApp always rejects the number. I've also tried doing this with a "premium" Burner number and whatsapp still recognizes it as a VoIP so I'm not sure how to get around this.

I'm actually pretty meticulous about only contacting vetted providers. I've only ever made one exception, and that provider has since received positive reviews here.

What info did they ask for?

I haven't hired much. And yet I still got a solicitation from a WOMAN (yes, the horror) whom I've of course never met on my burner number. So there must be some way for providers to sell or share info.

Yeah, I still don't understand why Signal isn't more popular. Like you @Alabastrine I like that it keeps my real number private. I haven't figured out a way to use WhatsApp with a burner number so that's off the table for now. It's incredibly easy to obtain someone's real name if you have their actual phone number. And many of us have legitimate needs to protect our identity and privacy. Hey, if Signal's good enough for... err, nevermind, no politics...

Does anyone know which countries/major cities in Asia allow or prohibit hotel visitors? For planning outcalls or just for Grindr hookups. I've read conflicting info about this. I'm planning a trip to Tokyo and from what I've read this can be an issue there. Is that right? I'm also curious about the other major destinations in Asia too. For the most part I prefer to stay in large "4-star" hotels if that makes a difference. Thanks for any advice!

That's interesting data! There's gotta be some confounding factors with Orange County, maybe because it's surrounded by other large markets (LA/WeHo, SD) with providers and clients traveling from one to the other.