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Note to providers: if you want a raise, don’t provide the part of your service that lets your clients think they are great in bed … 😜 (nothing personal of course, I know nothing about you, but couldn’t resist)

I hope you are ok, particularly in terms of mental stress. I’d urge people on these types of matters to consult their doctors as first option. 24/7 assistance is available even if you don’t have insurance, doesn’t have to be your regular provider, and the hassle of seeking it out is better than acting on any incorrect or unqualified response from our community. And if you need any immediate prescriptions or treatment, no one here can provide that for you. After the fact guidance or sharing experiences can of course be welcome and helpful. What do the moderators think? I say this not to criticize the OP - but to ensure similar questions are never dealt with incorrectly - we are not medical professionals.

Make sure you confirm what he will and won’t do. Many “straight” providers (including this one, who I can speak of from experience) will be more selective about some services (eg kissing) sometimes based on the client, and sometimes they may not even offer provide at all, so not everything listed to ensure they show up in your searches is actually on the table. Best not to be disappointed and pay for the privilege of of having “straight entitlement” thrown at you (for the record, my experience was of trying to set something up with this particular provider, though I ended up not doing so because of some of these issues - happy to go into more by DM if anyone wants).

… and his profile is no longer available

To add to that … standard strategy applying to a lot of scenarios, if you feel you have a lot to lose (you may not, actually, in the big scheme of things) don’t reveal your insecurities; if your counterparty is “not a nice guy” you are handing him a weapon.

Well don’t assume everyone is desperate to be with him … I can’t be the only one turned off by attitude

I think there’s a perception among many that a masseur gets you an abridged escort experience (even if for the same session time) for less $. some masseurs volunteer themselves as top or bottom … unless they mean simulation I don’t see what that is other than saying they’re open to … everything. I’ve always assumed that means — it’s on offer but you have to discuss with me how ($) that may work

He had “white” in his profile name in several different incarnations (eg Bigwhitecock in this thread) which I always found a little odd. I looked at his profile once, never engaged, but since then he reached out every couple of months, often with a new name. He must have changed it again as the link above doesn’t work.

To me, he ceases to be cute once the attitude comes out - he’s then no different from anyone I might meet online the regular way. At first I thought he might not be a native English speaker and could that explain some of the abruptness but the behavior patterns are definitely there. Which reminds me he also hit me up on one of the online apps. He sent his pic - I didn’t respond as I recognized him straight away, and he then sent a follow up 10 mins later basically expressing surprise that I wouldn’t drop everything to reply. wasn’t clear from either his profile or his texts to me on that app whether he was looking to find clients or hookups.

To be clear, I’m actually saying I suspect those providers were “performing” - I don’t think it was genuine or take all that as a compliment at all (mainly because it’s not of interest to me), and if anything the situation becomes more stressful for me. So not bragging at all. Likewise I’m not saying the others are being dishonest or exaggerating anything in describing events - just that they may be misinterpreting the motivation of the behavior they describe, which they ascribe to their good looks etc when it may really be a provider just doing their job of making a client feel the best they can about themselves. I actually asked one provider about this specific issue of climaxing - as he asked me if I wanted him to or not. When I asked him why would a provider choose to do so if the client wasn’t requesting it, he said it may be to release tension / stress from the session, and to help them “come down” more quickly after the session ends. He pointed out that if providers have a problem being able to perform they are loaded with injections and pills so “saving” it for the next client wasn’t necessarily a reason to hold back.

Haha maybe the providers were just extra brilliant, making the experience seem real and memorable. I always chuckle when some on here post about how they are so hot etc that providers really enjoy being with them more than other clients, give them discounts or makes it easier for them to get appointments etc. I don’t think they realize they are likely with really good providers who make them and all their clients feel validated and desired, as they should, from such an encounter.

It may be that you need to explain this to your provider before the session begins. They are probably going on what they assume most clients want. And it adds pressure to them. Im the opposite with a provider a don’t need or even want them to climax - and a performance synchronized with when time runs out is fine with me if convincing, but unnecessary - though that’s just me. Every so often I’ll actually find myself with providers who want to climax which I’ve never understood since I assumed they’d want to save that for a potential client who might care. And because I always assume this is not actually a genuine experience. I even had providers expressing frustration as they couldn’t get off by the time our session ended as if they were a real hookup or bf. I clearly remember one who insisted on prolonging for 10 mins or so to allow him to climax … (no extra charge for me) and another who kept saying he needed to climax and just needed a few more minutes, but that it would cost me… in 15 min increments. With the latter I made my excuses and got up to get ready … and he acted like a resentful real life partner - I was so selfish getting him close and now leaving, teasing him not letting him have his own pleasure etc - I said to him “I can’t pay you more” (and that’s a point on principle rather than about being cheap, given how the extra cost was introduced) and he just sat there glaring at me stroking his equipment as I made my way out. Yes, I realize he sounds odd and unprofessional but it made the experience feel real which is the ultimate thrill I guess.

There’s a similar place about a mile south … uncle Charlie’s near grand central though I haven’t been in many years. I was introduced to it as a grungier version of townhouse , where the providers, clients and regular hookup options (not to mention cocktails) were far less expensive. younger at the older end and older at the younger (if that makes sense) as I recall

Thank you for articulating that. I’m four decades away from my 80s if I make it that far but do feel that our demographic forgets this reality. See it on this forum often as well and the subject is poignantly relevant when discussing things like why do some seek out providers, should providers have the right to reject (aka ask for a photo) etc

He is known for that, and for having some things to say sometimes on his analysis of what you send (or don’t send). I know this from the experience of others. For the record I once viewed his profile, never responded when he demanded the same things of me, and he kept asking me for a few days. I finally replied and politely told him I wasn’t interested, and his response was far from pleasant.

It’s no different from any top quality service provider who may not actually like you or providing service … but will not let you feel anything other than they deserve your business. If anyone leaves an experience feeling the provider genuinely enjoyed being with them, whatever that may actually mean in reality is irrelevant - the provider did their job well.

It’s an odd place. More a curiosity for me than a place to hang out and relax. The location, at the nexus of the hedge fund / law firm district, high end retail, the start of the upper east side residential area and the bridge to queens is an odd mix, far from Chelsea or Hell’s Kitchen and the more traditional gay venues. As a result, the crowd is a mix of all these elements and somehow it all works. The bar tenders, if you’re nice to them, will guide you to regulars in line with whatever scene you indicate you’re comfortable with, including those offering … transactions of some sort. Not unusual to see elderly folks locked in sleepy embrace with those 30-40 years younger. It’s also a well known meeting place for clients/providers connecting elsewhere and online hookups prior to heading to someone’s residence or to the nearby east side club.

I’ve been offered $ more than a few times there before!

Right … but then we come back to the cycle of “it’s in my post why are you wasting my time asking … you must be a flake …” etc The average quality of writing, website design where providers have their own, consistency etc is not great … I put it down to not having the resources / expertise / marketing support etc. but get annoyed when requests for clarification are deflected into something with malintent.

Overlap with some other professions where I just don’t understand why some disrespect them so badly. Nurses, teachers, carers etc So basically I’ll trust you with my kids / elderly or sick loved ones etc but I have no fear or shame in treating you badly. Or Ill be prepared to get very intimate with you as a provider in a way that should be reserved for very special people … yet I’ll have a parallel interaction with you that’s intentionally so disrespectful.

“I was filming for my Only Fans page, please subscribe, I’ll make more money off you that way”

Well I’m fully aware it’s a two way issue - and many providers and clients trade views here without understanding the experience behind the counterparty’s positions.

More than once I’ve shown up to a provider where he hasn’t been there … or I call to get the actual address if he gave me a nearby meeting place and can’t reach him when I’m supposedly a block or two away. And on the “you get what you pay for” debate the two times I went for above my typical budget and the local market average rate I experienced this as well (one guy ghosted, the other said when I arrived outside his apartment building “I’m still on set filming can you wait an hour or so?” (Didn’t know he was “on set”!) @Simon Suraci ‘s example was different of course (one off understandable unintended etc) and is different from what I’ve likely experienced from others, but I now make a point of confirming before I head out. That way I don’t waste time and if he’s forgotten / has any doubts he has time to either make sure he understands I’m really on my way and has a chance to tell me no. And if he’s double booked (eg with a lengthier session) and didn’t bother to tell me he has a chance to do so.

Thanks for the schooling. I haven’t introduced red herrings. And I’m thankful so far folks haven’t taken the bait on the southern border issue. No one stopping anyone introducing arguments here it’s an open forum (until the moderators shut it down …) You’re presuming a lot about my intent. I doubt the testimony of some individuals on here among the millions who enter Canada every year will carry much weight in a scientific analysis. You’re also trying to invalidate my own testimony which includes hundreds of trips into Canada as a U.S. citizen over the last 15 years or so. A quick search on stats: Canada received 22.1m tourists in 2019, up from 21.13m in 2018(Destination Canada) USA received 79m in 2019 (US Travel Association) Canadas tourism to population ration in 2019: 0.58 (using world bank pop stats) USA: 0.24 (also using world bank pop stats) Tourism is a $105 billion industry in Canada (per TIAC below) and responsible for 1.8m jobs - I doubt the government would allow rogue (or intentional country-wide) bad behavior to deny such an important part of their economy. Tourism Industry Association of Canada - Our Focus TIAC-AITC.CA Over the past couple of years, the Canadian travel and tourism industry has proven itself to be a strong and...

Ha No, but I think he had mine (and all my other info) on his computer for about 50 seconds!