Tipping

[Phil_musc]

 

Last May 15th, I posted about an escort I have known for a couple of years. The escort received a notice from IRS claiming that he had failed to include about $60,000.00 in his 2013 tax return for payments made to him from Paypal.

 

One final note, the escort is incurring a lot of legal fees because of the IRS issue. Maybe I should reconsider my stance about tipping, at least with regard to this escort (considering the huge money outflow to his lawyer defending him against the IRS).

 

So do you think the escort will be tipping his lawyer - assuming he provides an exceptional experience, i.e., keeping the escort out of jail or minimizing the fines he has to pay? Just wondering. . .

[Daverwr]

Wow, only once have I not tipped - and he was a major jerk and the session ended in 15 minutes. (The main thing I remember was "Don't touch my hair!"). All other times, the guy has earned his tip... in some way.

[coriolis888]

 

So do you think the escort will be tipping his lawyer - assuming he provides an exceptional experience, i.e., keeping the escort out of jail or minimizing the fines he has to pay? Just wondering. . .

 

 

Funny -

 

No, I don't think the escort will tip the attorney even if the attorney gets him a good deal with the feds.

 

I have known the escort a couple of years and have engaged his services frequently. Even though I like him both for his personality and his escort skills, it is obvious to me (and to others) that money is his god. The lawyer will be lucky to get his entire fee much less any tip. By the way, this escort doesn't tip even in ordinary situations where a tip is appropriate. On the other hand, if he performs services, he requests/expects a tip (but doesn't get one from me).

[+ azdr0710]

Even though I like him both for his personality and his escort skills, it is obvious to me (and to others) that money is his god. The lawyer will be lucky to get his entire fee much less any tip. By the way, this escort doesn't tip even in ordinary situations where a tip is appropriate. On the other hand, if he performs services, he requests/expects a tip (but doesn't get one from me).

 

 

gee, what a swell guy.....periodic reminders like this keep me from being a jerk to others.....glad he at least has good escort skills for you, coriolis.....

[coriolis888]

gee, what a swell guy.....periodic reminders like this keep me from being a jerk to others.....glad he at least has good escort skills for you, coriolis.....

 

 

Yes, to many people he seems like a greedy jerk - at the first or second meeting.

 

However, after you get past his fixation on money, that flaw is overshadowed by his charisma and his super good looks.

 

Considering that he has such a large client base and many repeat clients, others also overlook his greediness.

 

He is known to many on this forum. If he has mentioned his present legal problem with those who hire him, I feel sure you agree that he has charm.

 

If he has to go to court and appear before a judge, perhaps his charm might get him a mild penalty.

 

I plan to remain one of his clients (without tipping, of course).

[jimboivyo]

Yes, to many people he seems like a greedy jerk - at the first or second meeting.

 

However, after you get past his fixation on money, that flaw is overshadowed by his charisma and his super good looks.

 

Considering that he has such a large client base and many repeat clients, others also overlook his greediness.

 

He is known to many on this forum. If he has mentioned his present legal problem with those who hire him, I feel sure you agree that he has charm.

 

If he has to go to court and appear before a judge, perhaps his charm might get him a mild penalty.

 

I plan to remain one of his clients (without tipping, of course).

 

 

nancy drew couldn't have played this thread any better

[coriolis888]

nancy drew couldn't have played this thread any better

 

 

I am sorry you feel that way:

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nancy+Drew%27d

 

As you know, this thread has to do with tipping escorts.

 

Throughout the thread there were examples presented of clients who feel that tipping is essential.

 

There were other clients (including me) who feel that an escort who charges $300.00 + per hour does not justify a tip.

 

Arguments were presented on both sides - for and against tipping.

 

I mentioned an escort who brings in a high income figure in a year. That escort was recently caught by the IRS for not including about $60,000.00 in his income reported by Paypal. One poster misread my post and assumed that I had written that the escort made only $60,000.00 during the year. From there the tipping discussion went in many directions.

 

I apologize for taking the thread slightly off topic to include the issue of the escort's IRS problems. I mentioned the escorts problems because they go hand in hand with the escort's concept of money (he charges a high fee and still expects a tip - but he rarely tips others).

 

Again as you know, there were many responses relative to the escort that has the IRS problems.

 

I had no idea that my mentioning the escort's greed and current IRS troubles would cast doubt on my posts made to this thread.

 

Considering the fact that I have known the escort about two years and see him fairly often, I feel bad for him with his IRS problems (which he brought on himself).

 

Obviously, my personal feelings about an escort's problems should not continue to be interjected in this thread. I won't mention the escort again.

[Irtwo]

This is confusing. Calling someone Nancy Drew is usually meant as a compliment.

[coriolis888]

 

This is confusing. Calling someone Nancy Drew is usually meant as a compliment.

 

 

Did you open the link that I supplied in my response?

 

Here it is again:

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nancy+Drew

 

Here it is again - OPENED

"Nancy Drew'd

 

"When you figure out someone has been lying to you by either common sense, street smarts,or investigative skills, much like famous detective Nancy Drew. Tends to lead to total ownage by said investigator, and utter humiliation by the perpetrator."

 

As you can see from the above definition, the inappropriate remark was not a compliment.

 

When you participate in an anonymous forum, unfortunately, you have to expect these off-the-wall remarks, however rare as they may be.

[ncc1701d]

Likewise, income of clients is relative.

 

In general I do not tip escorts for simply meeting expectations. I do tip escorts that go above and beyond (i.e. for driving a long distance to see me without charging me additional for it) or have bought them a gift (a brand new tablet) for making a 3 week hire go off without one hiccup in addition to their asked fee of course.

 

Exactly....tips for those who went above and beyond....it should not be an entitlement or expectation.

[Irtwo]

Coriolis, I did read your supplied definition. It's the same definition that most people had even without that urban dictionary. Calling someone Nancy Drew is a compliment on their investigation skills. That's different than saying someone was "Nancy Drew'd" as a verb, that means they're being called out as a liar. I read Jimboi's remark as calling you Nancy Drew, meaning you "Nancy Drew'd" the others with your quoted explanation. But maybe you know something behind his comment that I'm unaware of.

[coriolis888]

Coriolis, I did read your supplied definition. It's the same definition that most people had even without that urban dictionary. Calling someone Nancy Drew is a compliment on their investigation skills. That's different than saying someone was "Nancy Drew'd" as a verb, that means they're being called out as a liar. I read Jimboi's remark as calling you Nancy Drew, meaning you "Nancy Drew'd" the others with your quoted explanation. But maybe you know something behind his comment that I'm unaware of.

 

 

No, there is nothing behind the comment except that his post is confusing if his meaning is as you stated.

 

There was no investigative work done on my part. I simply offered my opinion in an existing thread with reference to tipping. I also brought up the issue of a high priced escort I know who rarely tips others although he always asks for tips from clients. I also mentioned that the escort has a heavy-duty IRS problem.

 

I don't see any investigation on my part in posting and contributing the above facts into the thread.

 

Therefore, I remain puzzled by the Nancy Drew comment considering there is another meaning for the phrase. But it is okay.

 

Thank's for your posting of support.

[AdamSmith]

Can't believe the thread has gotten this far off topic with no mention of the following, essential to any discussion of tipping:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping

 

[+ dutchmuch]

For the majority of us working stiffs, a $300 hourly fee may represent an entire weeks worth of our take home pay. For someone like BenjiBoyJimBo a $300 hourly fee might only represent a half hours worth of his take home pay. To drop another $100 tip on top of that might only be another 5-10 minutes of work for him.

 

Glad to see that others have caught onto this impostoring.

[jimboivyo]

lol

[AdamSmith]

[+ purplekow]

I can't comment on what any other professional who charges by the hour makes, but more often than not they can schedule close to 40 hours a week, not something that one would expect an escort to be able to do. A comparison of hourly rates is not reflective of earning capacity over a week. Cariolis, you acknowledged as much when you commented that we don't know how many billable hours they work.

 

I don't see any reason to base a tip on how much an escort earns in a year. I would base it on how good the experience was. I wouldn't reduce my tip in a busy restauant on the basis that the wait staff would be receiving plenty of other tips. (Or that they were being paid a local minimum wage of $15/hr rather than the $2 they receive in some places.)

 

Your right, I tip my plastic surgeon just as much as I tip my Internist. And I tip them both the same amount I tip most escorts. I say most, because now and again it is easier just to leave a bit of extra cash when an appointment has gone long and I do not have exact change.

 

But what do you expect, Kows are not big fans of tipping as most of you midwestern and Texas boys know.

[TruHart1]

Glad to see that others have caught onto this impostoring.

 

Why, whatever do you mean, dutch? I do declare!

 

Truhart1

[+ DickyF]

I do tip though I appreciate the argument that it's not really as customary as tipping waiters, barbers, cab drivers, bartenders, bell hops, hotel maids, etc. who really depend on the tips.

But if you do tip escorts then how much?

15-20%? Or $45-60 for a $300/hr session?

If not that then what?

I don't think there is any customary amount like there is for others which is one cause of the disagreement.

Referring to the study I'd think impressing an escort with how much $ you have can be a very motivating factor.

[Rudynate]

I do tip though I appreciate the argument that it's not really as customary as tipping waiters, barbers, cab drivers, bartenders, bell hops, hotel maids, etc. who really depend on the tips.

But if you do tip escorts then how much?

15-20%? Or $45-60 for a $300/hr session?

If not that then what?

I don't think there is any customary amount like there is for others which is one cause of the disagreement.

Referring to the study I'd think impressing an escort with how much $ you have can be a very motivating factor.

 

 

Because escorts don't live on tips, I wouldn't feel a need to tip the way you tip a server in a restaurant who lives on tips.

[+ DickyF]

What is awkward is if you already tipped or over-tipped previously - is there now an expectation? Will the escort think "am I not as good now" if you don't tip as you did?

I accidentally over-tipped an escort previously, and don't want to next time I'm with him. I will just have to deal.

I should add that if an escort's price is less than the going rate I might offset with a larger tip. So it's somewhat the inverse of a waiter who usually gets more $ when the price is higher.

[RyanDean]

I pretty much tip as a matter of course. But I give myself the option of not tipping by keeping it separate from the escort's fee. It makes it easier not to tip if I don't feel like it.

 

Ditto.

[+ Tygerscent]

This is an interesting topic:

This profession goes by a "straight wage", there is no raises platform, yearly bonuses, company offered retirement programs, paid vacation, sick pay, etc... It would seem unusual for people in other professions to refuse or not expect those general benefits~

Imagine telling a potential employee that there is no growth potential, no raises, no benefits offered, no room for advancement and then asking them, "so, shall we get to work then~?".

Escorts also accrue overhead costs of ads, websites, travel expenses, gym memberships, clothing/grooming, toys, gear, suites, slings, lube, fuel expenses, extensive non-paid communication time with Clients before and after meeting, non company provided cell phones and service deals etc...

$300/hr might seem like an extravagant hourly wage but then again, they may not be working 8hrs a day, 5 days a week and may have three or more ad sites they are paying for at gold or platinum prices and for every city they travel to~ It add up~

Some cities have studio apartments costing $1,000 or more for a 450 or 600 sq' studio unit, (utilities not included)... Cities like Seattle, Chicago, NYC, DC, etc are becoming increasingly expensive places to live~

I guess male Escorts could charge what women do: $600/hr+ for high end female courtesans... and expect a non refundable retainer for cancelations, no shows and schedule changers~

Check out some of the better women's ads and rates sometime~ It's an eye opener~! ...and they still receive tips~

After all... As employees, we do have the right, option and perhaps obligation to advocate for ourselves and others in our industry just as others do in theirs~

It's easy to suggest that escorts simply raise their rates but does simply raising their rates really work~?

Generally, employees in other professions don't have the option of going to their employers and self determining what their wages are going to be~

It's more complicated than all that and Escorting is a unique profession with all kinds of nuances to consider~

The idea of people advocating to "not tip" seems a bit naive~

 

 

Tyger~

971.400.2633

tygerkink@yahoo.com

 

 

I have heard some members of this chat board mention topping. Should you or should you not. My opinion is these guys are working for themselves. If they are getting market rates, $300-400 for the first hour I don't usually tip them. Unless they render service far above expectations. If they are getting below market rates and there service is good, I usually tip them. I would like your opinion on what is protocol.

[+ purplekow]

This is an interesting topic:

$300/hr might seem like an extravagant hourly wage but then again, they may not be working 8hrs a day, 5 days a week and may have three or more ad sites they are paying for at gold or platinum prices and for every city they travel to~ It add up~ And 300/hr is an extravagant wage for most jobs, if you were an employee, but you are an independent businessman. You provide a professional service. If you want to make more per hour, charge that. Accepting a tip is one thing, advocating for it, is another.

 

 

Tyger~

971.400.2633

tygerkink@yahoo.com

You make it seem that not working 8 hours 5 days a week is a bad thing.

[+ VeryHappyCustomer]

Even as a sex-crazed youth I couldn't have fucked 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. With all due respect for the sexual athleticism of the pros, I would never pay $300/hr to spend Friday afternoon with a guy on that schedule.