The BFE boy friend experience

[down_to_business]

I read a generally positive review today about an escort that posts here that I have had some interest in. But I must say, I am now more confused than ever about the BFE. How do you have the BFE when kissing is 100% off the table/prohibited by the escort?

[bigvalboy]

In my eyes, I am not sure that you can. I have gone through several hires in recent weeks looking for that exact same experience. Three hires, all not bad in the end. Not bad enough to write a negative review on. Others would probably have thought they were fantastic. Everyone looks for different things. In the end for me I realize that what I am looking for is that bf experience, I want the connection. It is trial and error really. you can communicate, tell the escort what you expect, and many time he does exactly as you asked, but if there is not that deep feeling of real chemistry then I walk away somewhat lackluster. All really nice guys, but just did not fill that need for me.

 

Finally last night I had a great connection with an escort. For me he was really amazing, friendly, funny, very accomodating, and willing to please. There are good guys out there, but it is a lot of 'trial and error'...I will be writing a review in a day or so. In the end, for me, kissing is a must if you want the bf experience....

[wayout]

Seems to me that kissing would be an integral part of what the BFE is all about. Having said that, the BFE may not be what the escort offers. I looked at today's reviews and believe it is clear which escort you are talking about but from the review or his advertisement there is no reference to offering or expecting a BFE, which to me is very specific and not everyone can or is willing to provide. In my view, if someone were to be offering BFE then kissing is definitely not off the table.

[Bosguy]

I believe a bfe should include kissing, lots of body contact, and a non-rushed atmosphere to qualify as such. Some working guys do and some don't. If it's important to you, ask beforehand.

 

Boston Bill

[adriano46]

To be, any encounter that does NOT include kissing is a non-event.

 

And if I specifically tell the escort up front that I am expecting or seeking the BFE, his tongue beter be all the way down my throat for most of the date (my oral hygiene is excellent, always brush/floss, and use lots of mouthwash before the encounter - and keep spray etc.. to keep it fresh right next to the lube on the night table). Even my favorite masseur (who I see specifically for MASSAGE and not for anything more) always ends the session with some heavy kissing, which is icing on the cake, and always gets a nice tip.

[raulgmanzo]

... How do you have the BFE when kissing is 100% off the table/prohibited by the escort?

 

Well I guess everybody is different. For example I'm surprised that so many guys

seek to have a BFE with someone 40 years younger than themselves.

But as a more mature escort I may well be biased!

 

Anyway to me kissing is a key part of initmacy. Something about the feel of lips on lips, one can feel them become engorged as sexual excitement builds.

[Epigonos]

God only know about how many different things Raul Manzo and I disagree, there are many, BUT this isn’t one of them. When Raul says:

 

“Anyway to me kissing is a key part of intimacy. Something about the feel of lips on lips, one can feel them become engorged as sexual excitement builds.”

 

I’m right there with you babe. I am not looking for a boyfriend experience. I always seek a fun romp in the sack which includes lots of kissing, sucking, and stroking. I also seek a guy with a beautiful gym body who is twenty or thirty god forbid soon to be forty) years younger than I am – shit I am OLD. Guy that young aren’t boyfriend material for somebody my age especially considering my income or lack thereof.

[+ Tygerscent]

Mmmm~ Kissing... I know I have written this before but I just really, really get the biggest rush from it... Love getting really close, lips barely touching, feeling your breath moving against my own, eyes connected and feeling your heart beat against my chest... touching my tongue to the corner of your mouth while I push my hard dick against your pants, (if you are wearing any~ hee hee~), then pushing my tongue thru the corner of your mouth to explore deeper... tips of tongues touching, gliding over your teeth Top and bttm... lips meeting and slightly open... drawing in your breath... MMmm~ Love Love Love kissing~

 

In the end, for me, kissing is a must if you want the bf experience....

 

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[leigh.bess.toad]

Mmmm~ Kissing... I know I have written this before but I just really, really get the biggest rush from it... Love getting really close, lips barely touching, feeling your breath moving against my own, eyes connected and feeling your heart beat against my chest... touching my tongue to the corner of your mouth while I push my hard dick against your pants, (if you are wearing any~ hee hee~), then pushing my tongue thru the corner of your mouth to explore deeper... tips of tongues touching, gliding over your teeth Top and bttm... lips meeting and slightly open... drawing in your breath... MMmm~ Love Love Love kissing~

 

 

Damn, I need a cold shower.

[Samai139]

Perhaps this should be an entirely new thread, but I'll proceed anyway.

Kissing is perceived very differently by so many, that I am not surprised by others' reactions to what is expected, rejected, accepted or derided. I've had experiences with men in other countries who were outwardly straight, and in many cases married, who had no reluctance in intense open-mouthed kissing, lots of tongue action. One of those men in fact, could only reach orgasm if our mouths were locked together. Others would not let me near their mouths with mine. In this same culture, public kissing between men and women was strictly taboo. Hiring guys in the USA and Canada I've experienced the same thing---some will, others won't. I prefer those who do kiss, but have had great sex with those who will not. Kissing in public, even in films, is rarely seen or allowed in much of South Asia, particularly India---don't know about Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, but I suspect it may be similar. I also remember Julia Roberts having a conversation with a prostitute friend in "Pretty Woman" about whether she had allowed Richard Gere to kiss her on the mouth. Apparently many "working women" have no hesitation about performing fellatio on a guy but won't French kiss the same man. There are porn sites that I visit from time to time which feature guys doing just about everything to each other BUT kissing. Personally I prefer those films, sites, where the guys get each other off and kiss before, during and after. Maybe I've jumped to an incorrect conclusion, but the videos from Latin America tend to show more of that action than others, and surprisingly, I've seen quite a few from the Middle East---very erotic.

Finally, I guess what does slightly puzzle me is why "working men" and "women" will not allow kissing. If there are escorts out there who won't kiss, I'd like to hear from them---or from others who have thoughts about it.

[+ Tygerscent]

Damn, I need a Valentines Date~ :+) Hee Hee~

You havent exactly seen my sweet side have ya Floyd~?

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Damn, I need a cold shower.

[leigh.bess.toad]

Samai -- I think you may have inadvertently nailed it. Pretty Woman syndrome. The admonition in the movie may be taken as gospel by some. Just a guess.

 

I'm with my friend Adriano46:

 

To be, any encounter that does NOT include kissing is a non-event.

[+ purplekow]

I will go so far as to say that I would be much happier in a session without "sex" than I would be about one without kissing. But I clearly prefer a session with both of those things and whole lot more.

[gallahadesquire]

A fellow from online here has this in his rent boy ad:

 

Kissing takes place during ALL my sessions- it's what turns me on the most as an escort- my 'trigger' so to speak.

 

Questions? PM me. He's definitely on my short list.

 

I hired a fellow who was 24. we started kissing, and I realized I was with one of the best kissers I'd ever met. "How did you get so good?" I asked, being several years his senior.

"It helps to have someone else who's into it," he said. And he is!

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

The BFE is not based on kissing, it is the connection. And it is never predictable. With one guy the kissing might do it. With another it might be hold hands. And another it might be great conversation.

[leigh.bess.toad]

Damn, I need a Valentines Date~ :+) Hee Hee~

You havent exactly seen my sweet side have ya Floyd~?

 

Well I have you there, Ty. I've got dates for Valentine's Day. Take my wife, please . First a quickie visit with my partner (our big celebration will be Wednesday and then on our weekend getaway). Then dinner with my wife. What can I say? She's still my best friend.

 

And I think I've seen every side of you humanly possible Ty, including your sweet side. And all of that is one of many, many reasons why I love you, my sensei, my geisha.

[Epigonos]

Sam.fitzpatrick you are absolutely correct. I, for one, don't even know what the "Boyfriend Experience" is and have no great interest in finding out. I require of guys I hire a entertaining lunch or dinner companion and a rambuncious

[+ Tygerscent]

Oh Buddy~

Sounds like you are gonna be sharing some great celebration with the people you love~ Part of the night you get to dress up and part of the night you get to git undressed~! Big Hugs to all of you over there in VA~ Happy Hearts Day Floyd, Wife and Floyds partner, (whose name I know but won't mention here~)

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Well I have you there, Ty. I've got dates for Valentine's Day. .

[+ nycman]

...I'm surprised that so many guys seek to have a BFE with someone 40 years younger than themselves.

 

LMAO.

 

Raul you're old enough to know better than to speak the truth around here.

 

...and you just moved to the front of my "guys I need to hire soon" list....grin

[Michael Wayne]

I read the review in question - and then read it again. The escort in question is ONE OF THE TRUE GOOD GUYS and someone I highly reccomend in Florida. I have not met this scoring hot stud yet but I hope to work with him very soon. In some ways as his competitor I am VERY GLAD AND RELIEVED that he does not kiss. I do KISS, deeply and passionately, and kissing is an integral part of any session with MIKEY - unless, and this happens frequently, the client is married to a woman and has limits on his gay experience. I respect the clients' limits and don't push things on anyone they are not ready for. The flip side of that is that many times I do get to be a guys' first man to man kiss and that is way cool! I do offer the full BOYFRIEND experience and that is why clients come to me. I am not gay for pay--I am gay! Every client when they are with me feels as if the scene is REAL and not just a fantasy. For an escort to tell a client he won't kiss him is the ULTIMATE TURNOFF and that client will generally not repeat. Now if the escort in question came to me for advice about this review as he has about other subjects lately i would tell him to become a really good actor and learn to kiss. It means nothing more than an on-screen kiss in a movie but it will get him alot more repeat and first time clients. With me I will fuck you like a pro because I am a pro. I will massage you great because that is what I do. I am also great at giving head and recieving but WHAT I AM THE BEST AT, MY FAVORITE THING, IS KISSING!!! tHAT IS A SECRET OF THE BIZ i HAVE NEVER TOLD ANYONE. Here is a lesson for young escorts: I greet every client at the door with a passionate kiss. It makes the rest of the session easy and it proves the client is not a cop and tells the client I am not a cop cause COPS DONT KISS EITHER! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1 "I am about the COCK, not the CLOCK" "Your limits are respected, I have none!" IN NOLA FEB 17-23rd!!!! for Mardi Gras!

[zeyfur]

I would prefer an escort who is honest with his likes and dislikes than one who pretends to kiss just because he wants my repeat custom.

[Michael Wayne]

you just need to be upfront in the ads or in the phone conversation or emails about what you WONT do. Then client can choose. Like I don't bareback but alot of clients today expect it. I am clear that barebacking is a no no. I don't tie clients up or handcuff them and every client I see knows I don't do that. But here is a deeper question: how much of what we as escorts do is really exactly what we want to be doing at that moment? There is alot of acting involved and anyone who tells you differently is.....well....ACTING! True confessions: only about 10% of clients are HOT...in other words guys you would hook up with just for fun........so with the 90% you are honestly not attracted to you HAVE TO BE A GREAT ACTOR. tHIS CAPACITY OR , "Talent," to be with overweight, older, balding or lesser endowed men is what make the great escorts who get rave reviews on Daddys. To be clear: I ENJOY my job immensely. I like the men I meet because many are nice, powerful, brilliant and successful. I kiss them. I value and treasure them as clients but most of them are not my TYPE- yet- they walk away from the experience feeling like a million bucks cause a hot guy REALLY go into it with them just like I would have if I just hooked up with them. So again I say to young PROS: learn to kiss! another hint from the front lines: KISSING, holding hands, talking, etc. will serve you real well on a night your DICK may not exactly rise to the challenge. Clients will forgive alot of bad performance if you kiss them.......... http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[bigvalboy]

But here is a deeper question: how much of what we as escorts do is really exactly what we want to be doing at that moment? There is alot of acting involved and anyone who tells you differently is.....well....ACTING! True confessions: only about 10% of clients are HOT...in other words guys you would hook up with just for fun........so with the 90% you are honestly not attracted to you HAVE TO BE A GREAT ACTOR. tHIS CAPACITY OR , "Talent," to be with overweight, older, balding or lesser endowed men is what make the great escorts who get rave reviews on Daddys. To be clear: I ENJOY my job immensely. I like the men I meet because many are nice, powerful, brilliant and successful. I kiss them. I value and treasure them as clients but most of them are not my TYPE-

 

Well Mikey, though I haven't any doubt that you are correct, it is certainly something that clients don't want to hear. We may know it to be true, but it does really ruin the fantasy when you say it publicly, and let's face it, it's the fantasy that I am paying for. Since you are in the 'Biz' I certainly fall into that catagory of the physical discription of clients that you find unattractive. If you are trying to lose me as a fan, you are doing a damn good job. Sounds a wee bit like something that Joey Bryant would say...need a moment on this one..... I just went through three hires looking for someone that could provide that bf experience for me and take to PS. I got nothing, (well there was one, but he won't go) so the others just left me with the feeling of a zero connection, took my money and acted like I had bothered them... So guess what, I am going solo and I will probably have more fun. When you say things like that, I just get the feeling of why bother with any of this, I sometimes feel like I am just wasting my time and money...AND on Valentines Day no less!! THE TRUTH DOES HURT SOMETIMES...

[maxwellissmart]

Really? Only 10%? I guess I just like dick and kissing and intimacy too much to even have to bother with pretending. Obviously there are clients whom I don't enjoy as much as others, but I generally try to weed them out if there's too much mental math going on. I don't like pretending with clients, and it always takes me aback when a client says something like: "are you like this with everyone?"

 

Umm, yes—actually.

 

I think part of it isn't having a type, per se—when it comes to sex. That can be a good thing and a bad thing. It's good in escortland, since I have genuine fun with most of my clients. It's bad when it comes to relationshipland, because a sexual match and a personality match are not always the same thing.

[bigvalboy]

Really? Only 10%? I guess I just like dick and kissing and intimacy too much to even have to bother with pretending. Obviously there are clients whom I don't enjoy as much as others, but I generally try to weed them out if there's too much mental math going on. I don't like pretending with clients, and it always takes me aback when a client says something like: "are you like this with everyone?"

 

Umm, yes—actually.

 

I think part of it isn't having a type, per se—when it comes to sex. That can be a good thing and a bad thing. It's good in escortland, since I have genuine fun with most of my clients. It's bad when it comes to relationshipland, because a sexual match and a personality match are not always the same thing.

 

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