The BFE boy friend experience

[raulgmanzo]

... True confessions: only about 10% of clients are HOT...in other words guys you would hook up with just for fun........so with the 90% you are honestly not attracted to you HAVE TO BE A GREAT ACTOR....

 

Well as I have posted in other threads (especially the one about hooking up on a4a and manhunt etc) I'm not all about how "HOT" a guy might be. I also hookup lots of times with guys whose picture I never saw because I have a real slow connection on my mobile phone and usually have to turn off the images to load profiles in any reasonable amount of time.

 

They say the brain is the biggest sex organ (though technicaly ones skin may actually be bigger) and so often I prefer a guy with a good personality over superficial looks.

 

The reason I LOVE being an escort is because I get off on so many different types guys and activities. It is actually extremely rare for me to be turned off merely by outward appearances.

More often I'm turned off because a person seems mean, boring, or overly full of themselves.

 

All of this is not to say that I don't have any preferences in the realm of superficiality. Also I admit that when it comes to porn and jacking off I enjoy very polished extremely hot photos etc.

 

But sucking or fucking a guy who appreciates it or a man of any shape or age kissing me, caressing my abs or nibbling on my nipples does more for my libido than the hottest, most hung, cardboard mindless stud off of muscleservice etc.

 

Raul

[bigvalboy]

Well as I have posted in other threads (especially the one about hooking up on a4a and manhunt etc) I'm not all about how "HOT" a guy might be. I also hookup lots of times with guys whose picture I never saw because I have a real slow connection on my mobile phone and usually have to turn off the images to load profiles in any reasonable amount of time.

 

They say the brain is the biggest sex organ (though technicaly ones skin may actually be bigger) and so often I prefer a guy with a good personality over superficial looks.

 

The reason I LOVE being an escort is because I get off on so many different types guys and activities. It is actually extremely rare for me to be turned off merely by outward appearances.

More often I'm turned off because a person seems mean, boring, or overly full of themselves.

 

All of this is not to say that I don't have any preferences in the realm of superficiality. Also I admit that when it comes to porn and jacking off I enjoy very polished extremely hot photos etc.

 

But sucking or fucking a guy who appreciates it or a man of any shape or age kissing me, caressing my abs or nibbling on my nipples does more for my libido than the hottest, most hung, cardboard mindless stud off of muscleservice etc.

 

Raul

 

Another GOOD ANSWER, and on this special day it does mean that much more..Where you Raul last week when I had all those bad hires? Wish you were there!!!

[tom1980]

Well Mikey, though I haven't any doubt that you are correct, it is certainly something that clients don't want to hear. We may know it to be true, but it does really ruin the fantasy when you say it publicly, and let's face it, it's the fantasy that I am paying for. Since you are in the 'Biz' I certainly fall into that catagory of the physical discription of clients that you find unattractive. If you are trying to lose me as a fan, you are doing a damn good job. Sounds a wee bit like something that Joey Bryant would say...need a moment on this one..... I just went through three hires looking for someone that could provide that bf experience for me and take to PS. I got nothing, (well there was one, but he won't go) so the others just left me with the feeling of a zero connection, took my money and acted like I had bothered them... So guess what, I am going solo and I will probably have more fun. When you say things like that, I just get the feeling of why bother with any of this, I sometimes feel like I am just wasting my time and money...AND on Valentines Day no less!! THE TRUTH DOES HURT SOMETIMES...

 

I agree with BVB completely. I had the same reaction to Mikey's post. I like to think that I can turn a guy on even if I'm not his "type" physically. I appreciate the responses from Max and Raul and hope a lot more escorts feel as they do. I think the truly great escort experiences I've had are with guys who don't have to pretend. I'm not saying they don't fantasize about someone else during sex because we all do that. But they genuinely have a good time with me, which allows me to let down my guard and have a good time with them.

[down_to_business]

@Mikey- I don't think your response was bad at all. I appreciate your candor and applaud you for your honesty on this issue. I do understand some others 'concern' that your answer goes against their fantasy and I respect their right to own their own feelings, but as one who has no delusional thoughts that the escort is my soulmate or magically falling in love with me or that the experience isn't anything more than the experience of a great time-- well I just wanted to give you a shout out for a thoughtful and honest answer. Kudos to you for marketing yourself and believing in yourself. I agree with your assessment about kissing 100%. Without kissing there is no BFE experience or BFE fantasy. I also think you are giving great advice to others on that issue.

[+ Gar1eth]

My 1st sexual experience ( as long time readers know) was with a very well reviewed escort now unfortunately retired- Dallas Taylor ( also a former porn star). And when I met him I was so inexperienced that not only had I never had sex- I had never even French missed someone. The only kissing I had done was the quick smack one gives to a relative. Not only that but I really thought the idea of French kissing was gross- yuck putting your tongue inside someone's mouth or them putting theirs in yours-- GROSS!!! But Dallas was a good teacher-- I told him I was a virgin. Towards the start of the session we began to kiss- he told me to soften my lips- I was holding them too firm. And as he started kissing me--something changed inside of me- from being a gross invasion of my mouth by a foreign tongue- it became an experience I craved- the farther down my throat the guy's tongue can get- the better. Also just as nice- some guy nuzzling at my neck and whispering nothings in my ear- drives me wild!!! And if the guy is nuzzling my neck and ears- and has long enough arms to jack me off-- I am in heaven!!!!! ( Scooby dooby) Sometimes I can almost cum from someone nuzzling my neck and just barely stroking my tallywacker!!!!

 

So YES-- emphatically---YES!!!! Kissing is necessary for me to have a good time with an escort. However a friend of mine just doesn't see it- to him- kissing is just smacking two body parts together without any pleasure in it at all.

 

And on the escort side -- it seems I remember that someone mentioned one problem with it might be that in kissing someone- you have to get right up in their face- you are definitely aware of them and they you. It might defeat the escort's defense mechanism of making clients distant.

 

Gman

 

PS- I wish Tyger were here right now. I'd love to relive the experience of him nuzzling my neck and feeling his 5 o clock shadow scraping my neck.

 

Gman

[Phil_musc]

Thank you, downtobusiness, you echo my thoughts - and thanks, Mikey, for a refreshing voice of candor and honesty.

[gallahadesquire]

Well as I have posted in other threads (especially the one about hooking up on a4a and manhunt etc) I'm not all about how "HOT" a guy might be. I also hookup lots of times with guys whose picture I never saw because I have a real slow connection on my mobile phone and usually have to turn off the images to load profiles in any reasonable amount of time.

 

They say the brain is the biggest sex organ (though technicaly ones skin may actually be bigger) and so often I prefer a guy with a good personality over superficial looks.

 

The reason I LOVE being an escort is because I get off on so many different types guys and activities. It is actually extremely rare for me to be turned off merely by outward appearances.

More often I'm turned off because a person seems mean, boring, or overly full of themselves.

 

All of this is not to say that I don't have any preferences in the realm of superficiality. Also I admit that when it comes to porn and jacking off I enjoy very polished extremely hot photos etc.

 

But sucking or fucking a guy who appreciates it or a man of any shape or age kissing me, caressing my abs or nibbling on my nipples does more for my libido than the hottest, most hung, cardboard mindless stud off of muscleservice etc.

 

Raul

 

Excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom before I hurt myself! aul, that was HOT!

[Michael Wayne]

my comments were meant to convey that I DO kiss and give the true BF experience. Anyone who says, though, that we are not actors most of the time is on another planet though. In Hollywood a great acting performance is rewarded with an OSCAR but, obviously, here, a great acting performance is greeted with derision and scorn. My wish would be that everyone on here would take the time to read my reviews and hire me before commenting on me. Since I offer a 100% ON SITE APPEARANCE AND SATISFACTION GUARANTEE a new client has nothing to lose and nothing to risk. Just to clarify my remarks: I said that only 10% of my clients I would HOOK UP with just for fun (i.e. my EXACT type) That does not mean the sex is not fantastic or that I am not into it or having a good time. what has made me successful is that I have always been able to GET HARD and STAY HARD with a smile for everyone, always. That makes a good escort. Now that IS NOT a fantasy- that is reality. For 1 hour, 2 hours or an overnight I am with you and you alone and I am responding and cumming. I have the ability to get into a ROLE and to play a scene just like a Hollywood actor does. Again, why does honesty get panned. As I have said before if yall clients keep attacking us escorts then fewer and fewer escorts will post. just my thoughts, Mikey @ http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[Dave]

Mikey, with all due respect I have to say, I totally disagree with you on this.

 

 

first and foremost, I might suggest you not use this sort of thread to suggest that clients are "attacking" escorts. a few clients wrote in and disagreed with you. surely you realized when writing your post that it would be controversial - or inflammatory, at least...? as escorts we have seen lots of threads that have been unreasonably harsh towards us, but imo (whether I ultimately would agree with you or those clients on this thread), their comments were not out of place.

 

 

the main point I disagree with you about is this idea that all escorts are acting. in fact, aside from the lesser irritants of this business - like no shows and calls that start with "how big is your dick" - I find there is really only ONE thing that seriously bothers me about escorting - and that is when clients assume that i am acting. a variation of that is the idea that what I am saying to them is false. I can't speak for other escorts, but I can assure you that I do not act in my appointments.

 

 

now, being honest in appointments (as opposed to just on this board, Mikey...) can be a double edged sword. when I am in the throes of ecstasy or having a rockin' good time with someone, or laughing with them over a joke or at dinner, the honesty is evident and it flows. but if I am frustrated with something during an appointment, or if someone says something to me that I disagree with, I might call them on it, just as I am calling you out on this. some clients who have seen me know that more than anything else, I am real and so we have sometimes had to work through some weird stuff. but with the right attitude on both parts, we can usually talk things out, and guess what... we seem to end up having an even closer relationship.

 

 

obviously as an escort I operate in a different fashion than you. I mean, my dick gets hard too, but I think my repeat clients see me for more than my cock. I can't really explain it, I guess - but one thing I'm sure of is, I'm not acting. anyone who knows me personally knows that I could never do that and remain in this line of work for any length of time.

 

btw, I very much agree with Maxwell and Raul on their comments in this thread.

[Phil_musc]

Dave, nice to see you're back! And I appreciate your candid response (although I also understand Mikey's position, I think.)

[Dave]

Dave, nice to see you're back! And I appreciate your candid response (although I also understand Mikey's position, I think.)

 

thanks, philmusc! i didnt really leave for any good reason, i've just been - uh - busy these last 5 or 6 weeks. you know.

[leigh.bess.toad]

thanks, philmusc! i didnt really leave for any good reason, i've just been - uh - busy these last 5 or 6 weeks. you know.

 

Not as busy as you are going to be in about 3-1/2 weeks.

 

Can't wait.

[Guest countryboywny]

That does not mean the sex is not fantastic or that I am not into it or having a good time. what has made me successful is that I have always been able to GET HARD and STAY HARD with a smile for everyone, always. That makes a good escort.

 

Well, Mikey, I understand your definition of a "good" escort and truly that's what a lot of people are looking for. For others, like me, it's only part of the experience. I won't bore everyone with my definition of a "good" escort, only to say that I wouldn't hire Mikey's type in a million years.

[jjkrkwood]

The whole notion of the BFE is ridiculous to ME. With any BF I've ever had:

1) I dont recall ever negotiating and scheduling sex

2) I dont recall ever handing him money when it was over

 

Or dont those 2 Major factors play into this ?

[seeker630]

The whole notion of the BFE is ridiculous to ME. With any BF I've ever had:

1) I dont recall ever negotiating and scheduling sex

2) I dont recall ever handing him money when it was over

 

Or dont those 2 Major factors play into this ?

 

I think you're being too literal, jjk. Most clients understand this as a 'style' , not an actual boyfriend experience.

 

Live & let live.

[bigvalboy]

I think you're being too literal, jjk. Most clients understand this as a 'style' , not an actual boyfriend experience.

 

Live & let live.

 

Thank you seeker...exactly!! I don't think anyone really believes that for 250 dollars they are actually getting a bf. It is an attitude or a style, it is simply an expression.

[Dave]

Thank you seeker...exactly!! I don't think anyone really believes that for 250 dollars they are actually getting a bf. It is an attitude or a style, it is simply an expression.

 

correct. in the industry, GFE or BFE is used to communicate to or from the provider what sort of experience can be offered. hence, the "E"

 

we use these terms to save on time, but we also use them as a sort of codified language. as long as sex work remains illegal in this country, codified terms will be front and center in communicating what we seek or can offer. for example, i can offer BFE, CBT, TT, FF, VERS, BDSM, ETC...

 

i used to have a GF who did CBT on me, but she was also a CBT! (Cognitive Behavioral Therapist)

 

[jjkrkwood]

I think you're being too literal, jjk. Most clients understand this as a 'style' , not an actual boyfriend experience.

 

Live & let live.

 

From the posts I've read of members on this site, this particular "style" seems to get into dangerous territory because the member seems to project a different "meaning" to the encounter which can often lead to a false sense of attachment.

 

But you are right. Live and let live.

[gallahadesquire]

 

we use these terms to save on time, but we also use them as a sort of codified language. as long as sex work remains illegal in this country, codified terms will be front and center in communicating what we seek or can offer. for example, i can offer BFE, CBT, TT, FF, VERS, BDSM, ETC...

 

i used to have a GF who did CBT on me, but she was also a CBT! (Cognitive Behavioral Therapist)

 

Dave - excuse me, Rockin - What's ETC? Extasy, that nasty drug?

[Michael Wayne]

welcome back jj first of all. I think my remarks are taken out of context more than Mitt Romneys' words are. My comments are also misunderstood and misinterpreted often. I do provide the entire bf experience and my sessions are romantic and ful of kissing, dinner, jokes, laughing- just like Dave the legend. i am about far more than my cock and fucking. That is what makes Dave and I (and numerous others) the best at what we do. LET ME AGAIN CLARIFY WHAT I MEAN BY ACTING: OK? The scene itself is a role- a fantasy. I have a REAL LIFE boyfriend and, aside from clients, I fuck no one else. Escorting is my job. It is a fun job and a well-paying job but it is a job. If I were to ever be SINGLE again and DATE or hook up there is a CERTAIN very specific type of guy that I am major attracted to. My first two bfs were my exact type. Those are the kind that I would be with were I myself and not the CHARACTER I play escorting. We all have different types. Some like hairy daddy bears with a belly and that is what gets them hard and melts their heart. That is awesome! I have had hundreds of bear daddy clients like that and have had incredible times and great sex with them BUT MY TYPE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE. I am into twinks and twunks from 21- ????. I adore cute, smooth gorgeous bottom boys. Most of my clients these days are NOT into twinks! That is why they hire me.....I am their type. Were I to be a client I would hire BMW or B. Steele or lowrise in nola.....etc...that type. ACTING is not a bad thing as long as the actor is enjoying his role. So , Dave, again as you said, with all DUE respect, I could not disagree with you more. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[jjkrkwood]

welcome back jj first of all. I think my remarks are taken out of context more than Mitt Romneys' words are. My comments are also misunderstood and misinterpreted often. I do provide the entire bf experience and my sessions are romantic and ful of kissing, dinner, jokes, laughing- just like Dave the legend. i am about far more than my cock and fucking. That is what makes Dave and I (and numerous others) the best at what we do. LET ME AGAIN CLARIFY WHAT I MEAN BY ACTING: OK? The scene itself is a role- a fantasy. I have a REAL LIFE boyfriend and, aside from clients, I fuck no one else. Escorting is my job. It is a fun job and a well-paying job but it is a job. If I were to ever be SINGLE again and DATE or hook up there is a CERTAIN very specific type of guy that I am major attracted to. My first two bfs were my exact type. Those are the kind that I would be with were I myself and not the CHARACTER I play escorting. We all have different types. Some like hairy daddy bears with a belly and that is what gets them hard and melts their heart. That is awesome! I have had hundreds of bear daddy clients like that and have had incredible times and great sex with them BUT MY TYPE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE. I am into twinks and twunks from 21- ????. I adore cute, smooth gorgeous bottom boys. Most of my clients these days are NOT into twinks! That is why they hire me.....I am their type. Were I to be a client I would hire BMW or B. Steele or lowrise in nola.....etc...that type. ACTING is not a bad thing as long as the actor is enjoying his role. So , Dave, again as you said, with all DUE respect, I could not disagree with you more. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

 

mikey. Once again I have chosen a line from your comment that made me chuckle. "Aside from my clients, I fuck noone else". Well based on your claims here regarding your client base, I would say thats certainly enuf. I understand its your job, but it surely puts a different spin on "Boyfriend experience".... Kudos to your REAL bf for his understanding.

[Dave]

Dave - excuse me, Rockin - What's ETC? Extasy, that nasty drug?

 

no - when i wrote ETC, i meant "et cetera"

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... LOL

 

ecstasy is usually abbreviated as E, or MDMA. older initial usages were X or XTC.

speaking of ecstasy, did anyone see the movie PROJECT X that opened this weekend? i did, it was intense. sorry, this is off topic but i love when i see a film that sticks in my head and i find myself thinking about it later. it got totally panned by critics, but i suspect it'll still gain a huge following - it may be the voice of the new generation. cash4trash, i know you're a big film buff... go see it, i wanna hear your opinion of it...? warning, it's billed as a comedy but i'm not sure that's its real strength...

 

and speaking of films - what, nobody watched that little video i posted?

[Guest countryboywny]

I adore cute, smooth gorgeous bottom boys. Were I to be a client I would hire BMW or B. Steele or lowrise in nola.....etc...that type.

 

Mikey,

Be careful when you categorize other escorts.. Brandan Steele is most definitely NOT a twink or a bottom. He is an extremely masculine, sexy MAN.

[Michael Wayne]

i never said he personally was a twink or a bottom. read my words carefully. He is my type were I to hire. that was a compliment to him. He is a hunk for sure and no one really knows who is a top or bottom these days. He and I have never met. We share several common clients and all I hear is great things about him. I get guys all the time who are TOTAL TOPS who bottom for me so I think labels and roles and preferences are kind of up in the air these days. I find myself fantasizing about BOTTOMING all the time- especaily for a hot stud like Mr. Steele- or for JACK who is also my type

[Michael Wayne]

May I offer a public apology to jj please. my comments about him during his time out were meant to be constructive and were very mild compared to many others made by many other forum members. However, I should just shut up! I know this! I also knew he would read them. I am not stupid. The forum is a place for open and honest discussion and I have developed a thicker skin (and a larger client base ) because of it. I meant what I said sincerely, "WElcome back jj," and it was not meant as a show. A big boy can deal with guys who may not agree with him on everything and I am trying to be a big boy these days.