MURDERS IN MEXICO

[+ purplekow]

41 minutes ago, Lotus-eater said:

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So the relative risk of being a victim of a crime committed by a Mexican national will be higher while visiting Mexico.

Well probably best to avoid Mexicans while in Mexico then.  Or better yet, stay out of Mexico all together.  Do not do the vacation, if crime is your expectation.  Meanwhile, for those of us, who can not be scared off by random tales of violence, can take reasonable precautions and avoid these kinds of interactions.  In the year I lived in Mexico, I had no difficulty with crime.  The vast majority of people were friendly and helpful, and the few that were not, were not violent, merely unfriendly.  Xenophobia exists in Mexico too, with some Mexicans distrusting of visitors to their country and Americans moving there. Especially those involved in crime such as those promoting prostitution and public intoxication and drug use.  Fortunately none of that goes on in Puerto Vallarta.  

For those of you who have had large gulps of the xenophobic Kool Aid, try to consider that the vast majority of immigrants coming to the US are trying to build a better life just as the majority of American Ex Pats in Mexico and many other countries, are trying to do the same.  

[+ purplekow]

On 6/28/2026 at 10:58 AM, robberbaron4u said:

Reporting & Classification: Comparing U.S. and Mexican crime numbers involves different tracking standards. While the U.S. FBI uniform crime reports bundle non-negligent manslaughter into murder metrics, Mexican federal data distinguishes between intentional and negligent homicides, though local tracking for Mexico City places overall capital homicides well below major U.S. urban centers.  

This is consistent with other research I have done on this.  Fear mongering furthers anxiety in a world that is tense enough already.  I wonder what the OP's point was in starting this thread rather than one about a random killing in say Tel Aviv or Paris or London.  

[Lotus-eater]

4 hours ago, purplekow said:

Well probably best to avoid Mexicans while in Mexico then.  Or better yet, stay out of Mexico all together.  Do not do the vacation, if crime is your expectation.  Meanwhile, for those of us, who can not be scared off by random tales of violence, can take reasonable precautions and avoid these kinds of interactions.  In the year I lived in Mexico, I had no difficulty with crime.  The vast majority of people were friendly and helpful, and the few that were not, were not violent, merely unfriendly.  Xenophobia exists in Mexico too, with some Mexicans distrusting of visitors to their country and Americans moving there. Especially those involved in crime such as those promoting prostitution and public intoxication and drug use.  Fortunately none of that goes on in Puerto Vallarta.  

For those of you who have had large gulps of the xenophobic Kool Aid, try to consider that the vast majority of immigrants coming to the US are trying to build a better life just as the majority of American Ex Pats in Mexico and many other countries, are trying to do the same.  

Attacking a straw man and sanctimony aren't convincing. I drew no conclusions about whether the higher risk is worth it. That will depend on a person's assessment of the higher relative crime risk, among other costs, compared to the benefit of visiting. Personally, even if Mexico were as low-crime as Singapore (which also has an impressive immigration system), it still would not be a top vacation destination.

Edited Saturday at 11:51 PM by Lotus-eater

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, purplekow said:

Well probably best to avoid Mexicans while in Mexico then.  Or better yet, stay out of Mexico all together.  Do not do the vacation, if crime is your expectation.  Meanwhile, for those of us, who can not be scared off by random tales of violence, can take reasonable precautions and avoid these kinds of interactions.  In the year I lived in Mexico, I had no difficulty with crime. 

Agreed but some people go to Mexico because is just cheaper and they feel like a billionaire.

 

If Mexico was THAT dangerous, they would stay home, right?

2 hours ago, purplekow said:

  Xenophobia exists in Mexico too, with some Mexicans distrusting of visitors to their country and Americans moving there. Especially those involved in crime such as those promoting prostitution and public intoxication and drug use.    

Yes, gentrification and those "ugly Americans" promoting prostitution in bars, the street, etc. Things they can't do at home because they would be arrested and have their lives ruined... but we shouldn't make negative generalizations about American men on their own traveling to poorer countries, right? 

I remember that kind of behavior being called "moral holidays", but Mexico isn't Thailand, is not as cheap but it's closer.

2 hours ago, purplekow said:

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For those of you who have had large gulps of the xenophobic Kool Aid, try to consider that the vast majority of immigrants coming to the US are trying to build a better life just as the majority of American Ex Pats in Mexico and many other countries, are trying to do the same.  

I love how that word "ex pats" only applies to Westerns, others are just migrants. 

Edited Saturday at 09:46 PM by marylander1940

[robberbaron4u]

6 hours ago, purplekow said:

Reporting & Classification: Comparing U.S. and Mexican crime numbers involves different tracking standards. While the U.S. FBI uniform crime reports bundle non-negligent manslaughter into murder metrics, Mexican federal data distinguishes between intentional and negligent homicides, though local tracking for Mexico City places overall capital homicides well below major U.S. urban centers.  

This is consistent with other research I have done on this.  Fear mongering furthers anxiety in a world that is tense enough already.  I wonder what the OP's point was in starting this thread rather than one about a random killing in say Tel Aviv or Paris or London.  

An event which serves to evidence the need to be attentive to one's surroundings, not exclusive to Meixco, particularly when you are in unfamiliar territory. . .

[liubit]

9 hours ago, Lotus-eater said:

Personally, even if Mexico were as low-crime as Singapore (which also has an impressive immigration system), it still would not be a top vacation destination.

The 98.2 MILLION foreigners that visited Mexico in 2025 think otherwise….

[+ purplekow]

4 hours ago, robberbaron4u said:

An event which serves to evidence the need to be attentive to one's surroundings, not exclusive to Meixco, particularly when you are in unfamiliar territory. . .

An erudite man such as yourself, had to know that picking Mexico to teach a lesson which could have examples in just about any city, state or country of the world, would lead to xenophobic rhetoric.  But if that is your explanation, I would say you accomplished the stated goal and that perhaps without intention of dragged xenophobia into the discussion.  

[Peter Eater]

On 9/18/2026 at 8:19 PM, Lotus-eater said:

deportation if caught for another crime

 

19 hours ago, Lotus-eater said:

noted that a criminal offense triggers the possibility of deportation that provides an additional deterrent to

What you noted was that deportation was appropriate for being caught for “another” crime, which suggests that a crime had already been committed—namely, illegal immigration.

We know what you meant. Stop gas-lighting. 

[Peter Eater]

18 hours ago, purplekow said:

try to consider that the vast majority of immigrants coming to the US are trying to build a better life just as the majority of American Ex Pats in Mexico and many other countries, are trying to do the same.  

This is true. The only change I’d suggest is dropping the term “American ex-pats in Mexico” and replacing it with “American immigrants to Mexico.” 

[Peter Eater]

16 hours ago, Lotus-eater said:

Attacking a straw man and sanctimony aren't convincing. I drew no conclusions about whether the higher risk is worth it. That will depend on a person's assessment of the higher relative crime risk, among other costs, compared to the benefit of visiting.

Higher risk? What higher risk? You’ve shown none, and contrary evidence has been offered. Statements like that merely underscore the xenophobia. 

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

5 minutes ago, Peter Eater said:

Statements like that merely underscore the xenophobia. 

Actually, statements like that underscore the REALITY.

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[Peter Eater]

11 minutes ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

Actually, statements like that underscore the REALITY.

To xenophobes, for sure.

Edited yesterday at 01:52 PM by Peter Eater

[mike carey]

28 minutes ago, Peter Eater said:

This is true. The only change I’d suggest is dropping the term “American ex-pats in Mexico” and replacing it with “American immigrants to Mexico.” 

As I see it, immigrants and ex-pats are different things and both are real. Immigrants are people who move to another country to start a new life there, they can retain parts of their old identity and culture but they are there to make a commitment, sometimes but not always complete, to the new country. Ex-pats consider that they fully retain their former national identity and commitment, and they think of themselves as visitors in the new one, even if they never decide that their visit is over. I think most Americans in Mexico are ex-pats, and that most Mexicans in America a immigrants.

[Peter Eater]

4 minutes ago, mike carey said:

As I see it, immigrants and ex-pats are different things and both are real. Immigrants are people who move to another country to start a new life there, they can retain parts of their old identity and culture but they are there to make a commitment, sometimes but not always complete, to the new country. Ex-pats consider that they fully retain their former national identity and commitment, and they think of themselves as visitors in the new one, even if they never decide that their visit is over. I think most Americans in Mexico are ex-pats, and that most Mexicans in America an immigrants.

Agreed, but registering for permanent residency abroad is a different mindset.