Do you clean off before dipping another?

[Luv2play]

2 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

Let’s be frank…I didn’t say INeffective. I said NOT effective.   There is a difference.   There is a recent study suggesting it has little or no effect of gonorrhea over time (Lancet Effective Diseases Study). If you want to split hairs on the difference, you’re misleading people 

There is no difference between ineffective and not effective. Why can’t you admit you were wrong? It was you misleading people. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

7 hours ago, Luv2play said:

There is no difference between ineffective and not effective. Why can’t you admit you were wrong? It was you misleading people. 

I have no problem admitting I’m wrong if I am, but that is not what happened here — especially on a health-related point. You are treating a nuanced medical point as if it were a vocabulary dispute 🙄 If you are going to argue my point, at least use my actual words.

I did not say DoxyPEP has absolutely zero possible effect on gonorrhea (which is the meaning if INeffective in this context). I said it is not effective against the bacteria causing gonorrhea in the way people may assume in planning their testing frequency. The more precise wording would be: DoxyPEP is not reliably effective against gonorrhea, and its effect is materially weaker and more variable than its effect against chlamydia or syphilis…but my original comment wasn’t about other disaeases, it was about one.

That is not misleading. That is the important caution.

CDC’s own guidance says doxycycline PEP reduces syphilis and chlamydia infections by more than 70%, but gonococcal infections by only approximately 50%. CDC also describes protection against gonorrhea as occurring only “in some studies,” which is very different from saying it is uniformly reliable.

And the newer Lancet Infectious Diseases data is even more cautionary: it reported rapid loss of DoxyPEP effectiveness against gonorrhea within the first year after implementation, associated with tetracycline resistance. The reported effectiveness against gonorrhea over the study period was essentially not significant.

So the practical point remains: anyone using DoxyPEP should not treat it as dependable protection against gonorrhea or use it as a reason to reduce testing frequency. If your point is merely that “not effective” and “ineffective” CAN overlap in ordinary English, fine. But that does not make my health point wrong, and it certainly does NOT make ME the one MISLEADING people.

So, rather than making it personal, why don’t you go ahead and cite current data showing exactly how effective it is.

 

Edited yesterday at 10:17 AM by PhileasFogg

[SecretProvider]

9 hours ago, PhileasFogg said:

I have no problem admitting I’m wrong if I am,

You absolutely do bro. you 100% do. 

[+ PhileasFogg]

1 hour ago, SecretProvider said:

You absolutely do bro. you 100% do. 

Save the personal assessment for PM.

It’s interesting that you choose disparagement over data based engagement.

If you have facts showing I refused to acknowledge being wrong on this issue, cite them. If not, then you’re just substituting assertion for evidence.

I’m happy to address facts. I’m not going to debate unsupported character judgments.

This is a place for adults   If you have something meaningful to add, please do so.   Otherwise, go back to your room and play your video games 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by PhileasFogg

[SecretProvider]

1 hour ago, PhileasFogg said:

Save the personal assessment for PM.

no thank you. 

[Luv2play]

I take Doxy pep after every sexual encounter mainly because it is  highly effective in preventing syphilis. Its efficacy in avoiding chlamydia is less so and gonoccocol infections even less but still substantial. So why not take it.

I am not a habitual user as I only have sexual relations with escorts about once a month. I would not take Doxy Prep for that reason. 
 

Nothing is perfect in protecting oneself against STIs but one should make an effort, as I do. Also getting tested regularly helps. And being careful about who one sleeps with. 
 

I try to use my words carefully in these types of discussions. When people here say things like  “ not effective” that is plainly wrong and should be called out, which is what I did. 
 

I’m not going to belabour the point as I have stated my case.

[Cooper]

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