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[d.anders]

2 minutes ago, Cretus said:

inflow of escorts making and writing fake positive reviews about themselves.

From the short time I've been here, this board seems to have some great Clouseau's, as evidenced in the Massage Forum. HE massage guys come and go. Is it really worth it for an escort to ruin his reputation by coming here to post fake reviews?

[Cretus]

10 minutes ago, d.anders said:

From the short time I've been here, this board seems to have some great Clouseau's, as evidenced in the Massage Forum. HE massage guys come and go. Is it really worth it for an escort to ruin his reputation by coming here to post fake reviews?

I’d say that fake written reviews are probably not always detectable. It’s no issue to detect a guy who has just made an account 7 minutes ago and their very first post is slobbering praise over a particular escort, with an invitation for folks to “dm” said “client” for more info lol.

Id imagine there are other more sophisticated, patient actors, who may even enlist the help of actual clients to get favorable reviews on here.

Making the website widely known to escorts will incentivize a considerable amount of them to illegitimately alter how they are perceived on here 

 

Don’t get me wrong though- I very much appreciate the presence of escort voices here.

Edited June 23 by Cretus

[Archangel]

1 hour ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Reading this tells me more about you than it does about the 'escorts here.'

This isn't the first time you've shown your hand, inadvertently, when posting.

I'd look deeper into why you clearly harbor certain feelings.

You really don’t phase me. I’m good but thanks for the unsolicited advice to look into myself. You don’t know me at all. This is not the first you have passed judgement on me.

And it wasn’t “inadvertent.” If you can’t take my hyperbole, you can’t take me. And frankly, if you can’t take my hyperbole, or see it for hyperbole, without passing judgement, you don’t deserve my time or respect when I’m not hyperbolic. I post plenty of things here that aren’t critical, yet say something critical, and it’s universally damning. That kind of selective judgmentalism shows a lot about you and others like you as well.

I will reiterate in case it got lost or overlooked: you don’t know me at all.

[Archangel]

1 hour ago, Cretus said:

Give an example of this lol?

If I remember who you are and this request the next time I see it, I’ll point it out to you. No promises.

And be forewarned—if it should come to pass that I do remember who you are and this request and follow through with this, there will be apologists telling me why impression and opinion are wrong, all the while fully assured of their assessment of me based off the same amount data about me as I have on them from the sum total of interaction we share in this forum.

[Archangel]

32 minutes ago, Cretus said:

I’d say that fake written reviews are probably not always detectable. It’s no issue to detect a guy who has just made an account 7 minutes ago and their very first post is slobbering praise over a particular escort, with an invitation for folks to “dm” said “client” for more info lol.

Id imagine there are other more sophisticated, patient actors, who may even enlist the help of actual clients to get favorable reviews on here.

Making the website widely known to escorts will incentivize a considerable amount of them to illegitimately alter how they are perceived on here 

 

Don’t get me wrong though- I very much appreciate the presence of escort voices here.

It’s also highly suspicious, even if it’s an old account, when you see a guy posting here who raves about a provider, and only one provider, or comes to a provider’s defense but only posts that. I look at those posts from “clients” as simply the provider posing.

There is a so-called client here who came here and was a tad more sophisticated. He played the “medium” game insofar as he posted some questions about a provider and when some critical—not even truly negative—comments were made, said it was good to hear about this. Only later to come back and tell us how it was the most fabulous experience with an escort he ever had. My suspicions run very high about this guy being the provider posing as a client. When I shared my concern about the duplicity with the mods, I was told there’s no rule against users having multiple profiles.

If anyone is curious which provider, “client,” and thread I’m speaking of, I’m happy to discuss it further in PMs. I’m not getting sucked down that blackhole here, and it would be off the OP’s original topic to boot.

[Cretus]

16 minutes ago, Archangel said:

If I remember who you are and this request the next time I see it, I’ll point it out to you. No promises.

And be forewarned—if it should come to pass that I do remember who you are and this request and follow through with this, there will be apologists telling me why impression and opinion are wrong, all the while fully assured of their assessment of me based off the same amount data about me as I have on them from the sum total of interaction we share in this forum.

If it’s something (as you alleged) so prevalent on this forum, I’m surprised that you aren’t able to even describe one such scenario/ some situational details about where a provider/escort had free reign to “say whatever  they want with impunity” …..

 

Meanwhile, just last month, this abusive, vile, nasty thread against a provider was pooped onto this forum.

 

 

Edited June 23 by Cretus

[Cretus]

1 minute ago, Archangel said:

It’s also highly suspicious, even if it’s an old account, when you see a guy posting here who raves about a provider, and only one provider, or comes to a provider’s defense but only posts that. I look at those posts from “clients” as simply the provider posing.

There is a so-called client here who came here and was a tad more sophisticated. He played the “medium” game insofar as he posted some questions about a provider and when some critical—not even truly negative—comments were made, said it was good to hear about this. Only later to come back and tell us how it was the most fabulous experience with an escort he ever had. My suspicions run very high about this guy being the provider posing as a client. When I shared my concern about the duplicity with the mods, I was told there’s no rule against users having multiple profiles.

If anyone is curious which provider, “client,” and thread I’m speaking of, I’m happy to discuss it further in PMs. I’m not getting sucked down that blackhole here, and it would be off the OP’s original topic to boot.

This is a point we agree on.

[Archangel]

26 minutes ago, Cretus said:

If it’s something notably prevalent on this forum, I’m surprised that you aren’t able to even describe one such scenario where a provider/escort had free reign to “say whatever  they want with impunity” …..

 

Meanwhile, just last month:

 

 

It would seem you’re a bit of an apologist for escorts—or at least a défenseur prêt.

Quote

Is this a further dig at MuscSami (essentially, in MuscSami's presence, as he can see this thread now)?

I wish guys here came to my defense when digs and further digs are made at me. Instead, it’s a mob mentality. Even your remark about having examples at the ready was at minimum an indirect attempt to delegitimatize my opinion. (I’m not wading through posts to produce examples that will simply be assailed as me misunderstanding or whatever; if I see it in the future and remember, I will point it out. Can you take my words at face value and not read into them something sinister?)

Like I said, guys here are ready to judge me (probably others here too) for a few posts that don’t fawn over escorts despite more positive posts that outnumber the negative. I, Archangel, am not afforded the right to criticize here as some others are without receiving my own criticism. (And the attempts I have made at creating posts on topics that are meant to lead to conversation have garnered little traction; but let me say something that’s less than praiseworthy, and the mob arises. I know guys look; you can see the views count. In short, my positive-to-neutral posts engender no discussion, but my negative ones bring responses post haste!) Why that’s the case, I can only surmise. But I do suspect it’s because, as one member here recently said to justify an instance of his own bullying behavior, that I say what I think without sugarcoating it for anyone in particular. (Unlike him, I am not afforded the grace to speak it as I see it!) I will agree if I agree, and I will disagree if I disagree. I will also share my thoughts immaterial of whether it’s liked or not. I’m poignantly aware when what I post will (likely) ruffle certain feathers. Those posts aren’t “inadvertent.”

Edited June 23 by Archangel
Should have proofread…

[Archangel]

28 minutes ago, Cretus said:

This is a point we agree on.

I’m not, contrary to popular opinion, always wrong. 😉 

[Cretus]

31 minutes ago, Archangel said:

It would seem you’re a bit of an apologist for escorts—or at least a défenseur prêt.

Is there something wrong or implicitly revealing about the idea that I don’t like to see unfair slander, unsubstantiated accusations, and baseless vitriol go spewed around? 

This website just happens to have a lot of that, and the bulk is directed at providers.

When you conjecture here that I am some “defender”, what interesting implication are we to derive from that? 
 

Also, you said that my post towards you was meant to delegitimize your point. Isn’t that the point of discourse with someone who isn’t convinced by your assertion? You make a point, and others can question it, or ask you to bring forth evidence for it…..

Edited June 23 by Cretus

[Gilfson]

Ugh half of the threads on this forum always just end up with 2 or 3 guys being internet warriors at each other and have nothing to do with the post. It just becomes a long he said she said argument. It’s exhausting 

[robberbaron4u]

31 minutes ago, Gilfson said:

Ugh half of the threads on this forum always just end up with 2 or 3 guys being internet warriors at each other and have nothing to do with the post. It just becomes a long he said she said argument. It’s exhausting 

Agreed. I am taking myself to bed with a bottle of cognac and a box of Cheez-Its. As by Scarlett O'Hara, "Tomorrow is another day." Good-night, all. 

[Archangel]

18 minutes ago, Cretus said:

Is there something wrong or implicitly revealing about the idea that I don’t like to see unfair slander, unsubstantiated accusations.

Sure. When it’s one sided. I said I’d do it in the future and you said that wasn’t good enough, and implied because of that it’s unfair slander and unsubstantiated accusations. I’m simply not wading through it to find it now. As I said, if you can accept my words at face value and unbiased, I will point it out if I remember you and remember this exchange when I see escorts getting adulation and passes.

I have never had you defend unfair slander, unsubstantiated accusations against me by guys on this forum who only know me through this venue. I’m guessing the escorts you defend, directly and indirectly, you know no better than you do me, but they merit your defense and I merit your prejudice. They are providers; I am a client. From your perspective, that is really all that differs between them and me, insofar as you “know” us.

Delegitimization should not be the intention of discourse unless everything is a high-stakes debate. Understanding differences of view with an openness to changing perspectives should be the object of discourse. Arguments are meant to change minds; discourse is the sharing of ideas with the very intent to experience a new perspective.

I didn’t know that you were to derive any implications from my observation (not conjecture). My observation is that you’re an escort defender. Full stop. Nothing to derive. No hidden mystery or ulterior meaning behind those words. Do you have issue taking words at face value, especially once someone says they’re meant to be taken as such? 

I would love a defender such as you, but I come with toxicity because others (my perception is mostly escorts, but also some of their cheerleading squad here) have maligned me in this space. As an escort defender, of course you are opposed to what I think or say and give a short, terse, unextrapolated  response if we agree—cf. “This is a point we agree on.” Nothing more. But let us disagree, and the words flow in abundance! This only goes to validate that when I attempt to make discussion about topics that could provide potential agreement (or at least neutral discussion on the material) that I’m largely ignored, but my critiques are seen as criticism and my criticism as a kind of grounds for calling me judgmental, slanderous, unfair, unsubstantiated, and accusatory.

I say I don’t like BDSM, yet maybe I am a masochist as I keep coming back here and continue getting treated like contemptible shit. 

[Archangel]

37 minutes ago, Gilfson said:

Ugh half of the threads on this forum always just end up with 2 or 3 guys being internet warriors at each other and have nothing to do with the post. It just becomes a long he said she said argument. It’s exhausting 

Who’s the she? 😂 

[Walt]

2 hours ago, SkyBliss said:

let’s not make the site widely known.

Definitely don't tell spouses, parents, writers in search of cheap plot devices, and the health department.

[Cretus]

44 minutes ago, Archangel said:

Sure. When it’s one sided. I said I’d do it in the future and you said that wasn’t good enough, and implied because of that it’s unfair slander and unsubstantiated accusations. I’m simply not wading through it to find it now. As I said, if you can accept my words at face value and unbiased, I will point it out if I remember you and remember this exchange when I see escorts getting adulation and passes.

I have never had you defend unfair slander, unsubstantiated accusations against me by guys on this forum who only know me through this venue. I’m guessing the escorts you defend, directly and indirectly, you know no better than you do me, but they merit your defense and I merit your prejudice. They are providers; I am a client. From your perspective, that is really all that differs between them and me, insofar as you “know” us.

Delegitimization should not be the intention of discourse unless everything is a high-stakes debate. Understanding differences of view with an openness to changing perspectives should be the object of discourse. Arguments are meant to change minds; discourse is the sharing of ideas with the very intent to experience a new perspective.

I didn’t know that you were to derive any implications from my observation (not conjecture). My observation is that you’re an escort defender. Full stop. Nothing to derive. No hidden mystery or ulterior meaning behind those words. Do you have issue taking words at face value, especially once someone says they’re meant to be taken as such? 

I would love a defender such as you, but I come with toxicity because others (my perception is mostly escorts, but also some of their cheerleading squad here) have maligned me in this space. As an escort defender, of course you are opposed to what I think or say and give a short, terse, unextrapolated  response if we agree—cf. “This is a point we agree on.” Nothing more. But let us disagree, and the words flow in abundance! This only goes to validate that when I attempt to make discussion about topics that could provide potential agreement (or at least neutral discussion on the material) that I’m largely ignored, but my critiques are seen as criticism and my criticism as a kind of grounds for calling me judgmental, slanderous, unfair, unsubstantiated, and accusatory.

I say I don’t like BDSM, yet maybe I am a masochist as I keep coming back here and continue getting treated like contemptible shit. 

By slander in the post you quoted, I was not referring to you. I hoped it was clear that I was referring to the happenings on this site that make me speak up against individuals who lie/spew hatred against providers without a basis for it.

I asked you a question in order to be able to evaluate your assertion about escorts. There is nothing normatively wrong in wanting to see a sliver of evidence for a claim you emphatically make.

 

By questioning your argument, I hope you don’t believe I am “treating you like contemptible shit”. If so, I’m not sure my continuation of discussion with you will prove productive for either of us. 

 

Hope you have a good evening. 

Edited June 23 by Cretus

[Archangel]

9 minutes ago, Cretus said:

I’m not sure my continuation of discussion with you will prove productive for either of us. 
 

Hope you have a good evening. 

Probably not if your objective if to change my mind. If your objective is to understand a different perspective, then it most definitely can be productive.

Not everything is a courtroom argument…

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, Cretus said:

If it’s something (as you alleged) so prevalent on this forum, I’m surprised that you aren’t able to even describe one such scenario/ some situational details about where a provider/escort had free reign to “say whatever  they want with impunity” …..

 

Meanwhile, just last month, this abusive, vile, nasty thread against a provider was pooped onto this forum.

 

 

the king of all zombie threads!

[rvwnsd]

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