SANTOS_FTM

[+ ApexNomad]

22 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Well...no.

The difference between you and me is that I have no problem sharing an honest opinion and your "shame" leads you to believe that having one is wrong. 

I have no problem with people disagreeing with my opinion, but I have little tolerance for those who tell me I can't have one.

As far as the trans issue . .I feel you are speaking too much to defend something you have ZERO experience with. Go lick a swollen clitoris sewn into the shape of a tiny penis and get back to me with how much you had a wonderful time, and that every body is beautiful .  

Let’s be clear: this isn’t just about preferences. This thread crossed a line when it moved from personal experience to publicly mocking trans people and anyone with a micropenis—cis or otherwise. That’s not a sexual boundary. That’s humiliation disguised as honesty.

The original post—in the Deli section—was a simple question about whether anyone had met or had experience with Santos. You didn’t. You just used it as a platform to shame trans men and men with small penises.

You’ve ridiculed anatomy, dismissed empathy as “nonsense,” and reduced people’s bodies to punchlines. And now, predictably, you’re hiding behind the idea that cruelty is protected by “just my opinion.” It’s not. Not when the opinion is, “this group of people’s bodies are gross.” That’s not insight. That’s a broadcasted insult.

Our community already takes enough hits from the outside—getting that kind of cruelty from within is even worse. You don’t know what kind of shame or self-loathing someone might be living with. So the real question is: why feel the need to add to it?

You’ve spent multiple paragraphs explaining, in clinical detail, why a group of people’s bodies don’t deserve dignity or desire. That’s not opinion. It’s obsession. And dressing it up in academic citations doesn’t make it less cruel. It just makes it pathetic. If your manhood depends on belittling someone else’s, it’s flimsier than whatever you’re mocking.

And now, with your latest response, you’ve made your intentions crystal clear. This was never about “just sharing an opinion.” It’s about disgust masquerading as discourse. You’re not offering insight—you’re issuing insults. What you just said wasn’t provocative. It was vile. A calculated attempt to mock and dehumanize, under the coward’s banner of “just being honest.”

You’re a smart man. By all accounts, a very successful one—personally and professionally. This is beneath you.

[pubic_assistance]

10 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

The original post—in the Deli section—was a simple question about whether anyone had met or had experience with Santos. You didn’t. You just used it as a platform to shame trans men and men with small penises.

I am responding to THIS:

"I have not had experience with a trans man before and have always wondered what it was like." 

I shared my experiences and my advice on things to think about when entertaining the idea of approaching a trans person with a male identity.

Yes. I find clitoris stitched into the shape of a tiny penis to be disgusting. I fail to see how this makes you feel I am attacking your "community". Are you a transexual ? Do you have a micropenis ?Should I LIE and tell the gentleman who originally asked the question about how exciting it was to see a limp piece of flesh lying next to a stitched up vag and I thought: wow thats HOT.

This righteous indignation some of you people wear like some badge of honor is tiresome and misplaced.

 

[JayinHKNYC]

You are the one with tiresome, misplaced, bullying righteous indignation.

[+ ApexNomad]

8 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I am responding to THIS:

"I have not had experience with a trans man before and have always wondered what it was like." 

I shared my experiences and my advice on things to think about when entertaining the idea of approaching a trans person with a male identity.

Yes. I find clitoris stitched into the shape of a tiny penis to be disgusting. I fail to see how this makes you feel I am attacking your "community". Are you a transexual ? Do you have a micropenis ?Should I LIE and tell the gentleman who originally asked the question about how exciting it was to see a limp piece of flesh lying next to a stitched up vag and I thought: wow thats HOT.

This righteous indignation some of you people wear like some badge of honor is tiresome and misplaced.

 

You asked whether I’m trans or have a micropenis, as if the only people allowed to call out dehumanizing language are the ones directly affected by it. I don’t need to share an identity to recognize cruelty. And I don’t need to stay silent just because the insult wasn’t aimed at me.

But imagine if I were. Imagine being younger, already drowning in shame over something I never chose and could never change—then reading a thread like this. Watching grown men like you laugh at bodies like mine. Learning, early and quietly, that even in queer spaces, I still wasn’t safe. That my body was a punchline. That desire had limits—and I was on the wrong side of them.

You weren’t asked for graphic disgust. You chose to share it. You weren’t offering advice. You were offering contempt. That’s not honesty—it’s performance. And if you genuinely can’t see how that reflects on you—not the people you’re mocking—then this was never about insight to begin with.

[pubic_assistance]

11 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

You weren’t asked for graphic disgust. You chose to share it. You weren’t offering advice. You were offering contempt. That’s not honesty—it’s performance. And if you genuinely can’t see how that reflects on you—not the people you’re mocking—then this was never about insight to begin with.

No. I don't.

Sorry.

We will simply end this here by saying we disagree on the matter of how discussion forums work.

My opinions stand. 

@haring222 Feel free to reach out in PM if you would cafe to hear any additional experiences (as to not disturb the fragile sensitivities of certain gentlemen.)

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Well...no.

The difference between you and me is that I have no problem sharing an honest opinion and your "shame" leads you to believe that having one is wrong. 

I have no problem with people disagreeing with my opinion, but I have little tolerance for those who tell me I can't have one.

As far as the trans issue . .I feel you are speaking too much to defend something you have ZERO experience with. Go lick a swollen clitoris sewn into the shape of a tiny penis and get back to me with how much you had a wonderful time, and that every body is beautiful .  

Look, do not be a drama queen. 

You made a statement that I found offensive and so I called you out. 

It happened before and it will happen again.

Suck it up. Be a man. No one is censoring anyone.

 

[JayinHKNYC]

When someone is wrong, out come the ad hominem comments.

[+ ApexNomad]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

No. I don't.

Sorry.

We will simply end this here by saying we disagree on the matter of how discussion forums work.

My opinions stand. 

@haring222 Feel free to reach out in PM if you would cafe to hear any additional experiences (as to not disturb the fragile sensitivities of certain gentlemen.)

You’re right—we do disagree. Not about opinions. About decency.

Here’s a reminder of how this discussion forum actually works:

COMMUNITY GUIDELINES (A/K/A “THE RULES”)

1. Civility: Conduct yourself in a way that respects this site and all who come here. Hate speech/hateful speech, name-calling/labelling, inciting or engaging in arguments, publicly shaming, and attacking other members, groups of members, or people who are the topic of discussion is prohibited. Remember: you may criticize a person’s opinion but don’t attack the person.

 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, José Soplanucas said:

Look, do not be a drama queen. 

You made a statement that I found offensive and so I called you out. 

I was actually thinking YOU were being the drama queen.

Its time to put your claws and your Lee press-on nails away and let's get back to the subject.

@haring222 was asking about being with trans men. No one else has contributed to THAT conversation but ME. ..so let's stop with the petty bickering about how I express myself. 

[BaronArtz]

May I bring bring the focus back to this specific escort, Santos_ftm.

I do not have access to his private pictures, but I do like the public pictures.  Here is somebody who cares about his appearance and obviously worked really hard at it.  There are many men, including myself, who would envy his beautifully sculpted shoulders, biceps and pecs.  His narrow waist is a marvel.  

There has been significant back and forth here about the merits of a natural vs an altered v*g*n*.  As a gay man, I would not have an immediate interest in this part of his anatomy, but when it is framed by a gorgeous and masculine body, I am tempted to explore.  If Santos_ftm ever visited NYC, I would make an appointment,

I do wish him success!

 

[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, BaronArtz said:

There has been significant back and forth here about the merits of a natural vs an altered v*g*n*.  As a gay man, I would not have an immediate interest in this part of his anatomy, but when it is framed by a gorgeous and masculine body, I am tempted to explore. 

They are a fine example of successful hormone therapy. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Its time to put your claws and your Lee press-on nails away and let's get back to the subject.

 

Mission accomplished.

Until next time.

[Walt]

17 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

This righteous indignation some of you people wear like some badge of honor is tiresome and misplaced.

Maybe, but in 2025, it's less tiresome and misplaced than wearing the badge of old school toxic masculinity.

[NipLuvr212]

59 minutes ago, Walt said:

Maybe, but in 2025, it's less tiresome and misplaced than wearing the badge of old school toxic masculinity.

Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) is a behavioral disorder characterized by a pattern of angry/irritable mood, argumentative/defiant behavior, and vindictiveness...

[+ haring222]

17 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

 

@haring222 Feel free to reach out in PM if you would cafe to hear any additional experiences (as to not disturb the fragile sensitivities of certain gentlemen.)

My rule of thumb; I don't treat what I say any differently with strangers on the internet than I do with people in line at the supermarket. 

I think we all have memories of people telling us that M/M relationships are gross and all sorts of horrible anecdotes. 

Also, keep in mind that it's really likely that someday this provider is going to end up reading your comments and continued mean statements, along with other trans folks wandering around this forum.  Your opinions are going to be hurtful to them; are you allowed to have them...sure...but you should consider if you want to make people fell crappy about themselves.  

You could just say 'Check to see if they have had bottom surgery and do some research on that; FTM guys who have gone that route are not my cup of tea.'

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

21 hours ago, haring222 said:

You could just say 'Check to see if they have had bottom surgery and do some research on that; FTM guys who have gone that route are not my cup of tea.'

This 👆 is what I have learned from this thread and will be certain to do before I hire anyone.   I would have not known what it meant, however, without the detailed description provided to us by @pubic_assistance.  For that, I am grateful.  I think many men reading this thread dodged a bullet of hiring someone with body parts not advertised and thereby wasting money and both people's time.

I know the popular trend now is to sleep with everybody and give every body a chance.  But I'm of the mentality that I was born gay and don't need to try a vagina to prove to others that I don't like it.  We gays fought hard for others to understand our sexual attraction is nature and not a choice, and I don't want to be pressured into something which does not arouse me.

Edited June 16 by Vegas_Millennial

[Walt]

12 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

dodged a bullet

Really??? Or perhaps missed an opportunity to try something new, get out of a rut,  move past their preconceived received ideas, add a new experience to their sexual exploration and awakening, and be challenged in their personal growth? But you do you.

[+ José Soplanucas]

24 minutes ago, Walt said:

Really??? Or perhaps missed an opportunity to try something new, get out of a rut,  move past their preconceived received ideas, add a new experience to their sexual exploration and awakening, and be challenged in their personal growth? But you do you.

You made me realized something else. Even if @pubic_assistance had experience having intercourse with FTM men, considering his mindset towards some trans, I would consider his testimony  in context. Besides listening to him I would be very curious about what his eventual partners have to say. 

Unfortunately, we will never learn that.

[pubic_assistance]

43 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

I would consider his testimony  in context.

All comments should be understood in context.

So far I am the single member of this conversation thread with any experience. I didnt say anything TO the provider who is the subject of the conversation. I didnt say anything TO ANYONE who is trans. I spoke about my experience. One which none of these bitchy queens would have been willing to take. Yet all seem to want to pile-on with an feeling of superiority about how to discuss something we disliked. You all should stick to having tea with your grandmother and nibbling on watercress sandwiches. I'm sure the polite conversation about the weather is as much as you can bear. 

My opinion holds. Beware the swollen (former)lady parts.

 

 

[+ ApexNomad]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Thanks for reminding us all of the times l rules.  It is clear to me that @pubic_assistance was NOT attacking the person who is the topic of discussion.  Rather, he was responding to a question about surgery, and his experience with a particular body part post-surgery.  Let's not deny him that experience and silence him.  Anyone here with experience to say he likes licking a swollen clitoris sewn into the shape of a very small flacid penis (those are accurate terms, even though they sound disgusting to a gay man) is welcome to speak up and defend the action! Until then, these comments sounds like more of an attack on a fellow member for sharing his experience with vaginas, rather than a productive conversation about weather this provider has or has not had this surgery to see if any of us want to hire the person if we are even considering it in the first place.

This is the Deli. The poster asked if anyone had experience with Santos. Pubic didn’t. That should’ve been the end of it.

If he wanted to unload his disgust toward trans men with small penises—or men with micro penises (because that’s what this is really about!)—then he could’ve created a thread in the Lounge and let the moderators decide how to handle that kind of contempt.

You, of all people, should know that—considering how often you remind members where to post and how to use the search function.

[pubic_assistance]

19 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

The poster asked if anyone had experience with Santos. Pubic didn’t. That should’ve been the end of it.

I quote: .  "I have not had experience with a trans man before and have always wondered what it was like. "

THIS is the sentence I am responding to.

The gentleman asked what it was like and I shared my experience and my opinion. 

Now....let's drop the overly prescious righteous indignation and get back to the subject. Which would be whether or not someone has #1 met Santos or #2 been with a trans male 

 

[+ ApexNomad]

5 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I quote: .  "I have not had experience with a trans man before and have always wondered what it was like. "

THIS is the sentence I am responding to.

The gentleman asked what it was like and I shared my experience and my opinion. 

Now....let's drop the overly prescious righteous indignation and get back to the subject. Which would be whether or not someone has #1 met Santos or #2 been with a trans male 

 

Let’s stop pretending this is about answering a question. The original post asked if anyone had met Santos. You haven’t. What you did was take a thread about a specific human being—who lives in a vulnerable, targeted body—and turn it into a public stage for your disgust. That wasn’t sharing. It was a calculated display of contempt.

Now you’re scapegoating—claiming you’re just responding to one sentence, like that excuses the graphic contempt you unloaded. It doesn’t. You used language designed to humiliate. You knew exactly what you were doing, and now you want to frame the reaction as “precious righteous indignation,” like the real problem is that people dared to care.

The issue is bigger than you. It’s about how quickly some of us turn difference into a punchline, how eager some of us are to flatten trans bodies and non-normative bodies into something grotesque. And then call it honesty. Then call it brave.

You’re not being silenced. You’re being seen.

[pubic_assistance]

4 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

You’re not being silenced. You’re being seen

OK KAREN 

Let it go. You're hogging the conversation with your drama. 

[+ ApexNomad]

18 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

OK KAREN 

Let it go. You're hogging the conversation with your drama. 

Happy Father’s Day.

[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

Happy Father’s Day.

Thank you.

(My kids give me enough drama). 🤣