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[NipLuvr212]

13 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Apparently it wasnt as "great" for him.

His loss, I assure you

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, NipLuvr212 said:

His loss, I assure you

What a fool I am," he said. "Here I am wearing myself out to get a bunch of sour grapes that are not worth gaping for."

[ShortCutie7]

18 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Well...he may have discovered that his honesty was working against him. 

Its unfortunate but I AM guilty of being turned off by the knowledge. Even though I DO always just approach sexual encounters as if. 

Its sort of like eating meat  

You embrace a level of denial when you eat a tasty steak. You choose to not think about where it ACTUALLY came from and what horrors that animal suffered to get a meal to your plate. 

Agreed, the scientific knowledge of U=U does not override the psychological impact of knowing someone is (or was) poz.

[NipLuvr212]

5 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

What a fool I am," he said. "Here I am wearing myself out to get a bunch of sour grapes that are not worth gaping for."

Setting up a straw man, or in this case fox, is never becoming.

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, NipLuvr212 said:

Setting up a straw man, or in this case fox, is never becoming.

Just reminding you it takes two to tango...but for many its always "the other guy" who's wrong. 

Sometimes its both.

Not everyone is a good match, even for a business transaction. Best to move on without the sour grapes. Makes you the bigger man. 

 

Edited Sunday at 06:44 PM by pubic_assistance
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[NipLuvr212]

2 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Just reminding you it takes two to tango...but for many its always "the other guy" whose wrong. 

Sometimes its both.

Not everyone is a good match, even for a business transaction. Best to move on without the sour grapes. Makes you the bigger man. 

 

so kind of you not to pass judgment

[pubic_assistance]

8 minutes ago, NipLuvr212 said:

so kind of you not to pass judgment

I am not. I gave you both the benefit of the doubt. 

[SFChinois]

He doesn't show face so that a red flag?  anyone confirm how he looks?  LOL

 

[Jack Vernon]

1 hour ago, SFChinois said:

He doesn't show face so that a red flag?  anyone confirm how he looks?  LOL

 

If you click on his profile he's sure to send you a direct message with a face pic.  

[+ nycman]

On 3/1/2026 at 7:50 AM, JayinHKNYC said:

U=U

If, and only if, U is actually U. 

If you look at the original U=U study, there were several seroconversions, when U wasn’t really U. Those got discounted, but in real life, those guys became infected with HIV. And that’s what really matters. 

[ShortCutie7]

31 minutes ago, nycman said:

If, and only if, U is actually U. 

If you look at the original U=U study, there were several seroconversions, when U wasn’t really U. Those got discounted, but in real life, those guys became infected with HIV. And that’s what really matters. 

Exactly. Just because a guy at one point tested undetectable doesn’t mean he is undetectable at any given moment, hence my psychological barrier I mentioned earlier (I deem it psychological because the same concept applies to a negative test).

[JayinHKNYC]

U=U... look at the recent studies... zero seroconversions. Yes, it depends if they are not undetectable any more, you always have to weigh the risks, but too many people on this site blanket stigmatize undetectable as suspect.

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, JayinHKNYC said:

U=U... look at the recent studies... zero seroconversions.

HIV can hide in dormant cells and reactivate and multiply during a lapse in treatment of less than a week.

 There are multiple examples of drug resistance occurring after many years of viral treatment and especially after infections from STI's such as syphilis. 

So... U does not always equal U because people get lazy and metabolisms change with other external factors

 

 

 

[Cretus]

17 hours ago, SFChinois said:

He doesn't show face so that a red flag?  anyone confirm how he looks?  LOL

 

Disagree that this is a red flag- unless they refuse to also dm you a face. 
 

[Venite]

8 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

HIV can hide in dormant cells and reactivate and multiply during a lapse in treatment of less than a week.

 There are multiple examples of drug resistance occurring after many years of viral treatment and especially after infections from STI's such as syphilis. 

So... U does not always equal U because people get lazy and metabolisms change with other external factors

 

 

 

“HIV can multiply during a lapse in treatment”- in other words, after a lapse in treatment, they may be *not* undetectable. This does not seem like it is a rebuttal of U=U. 
 

The drug resistance point you mention also seems to suggest that when drugs don’t work, the person wouldn’t truly be undetectable. Again, that is a well known point, and doesn’t counter the idea that being truly undetectable means untransmittable.

[+ sniper]

The point is that undetectable is a point in time measurement and you have to assume the person kept on doing the things that kept them undetectable, with almost no slippage. Nobody is taking daily viral load tests.

[Venite]

5 minutes ago, sniper said:

The point is that undetectable is a point in time measurement and you have to assume the person kept on doing the things that kept them undetectable, with almost no slippage. Nobody is taking daily viral load tests.

Of course this is true. It would be outrageous to see anyone disputing these intuitive and understandable points. 

This set of assertions is substantively different from the grave claim that “U=U is false”.

Edited Monday at 07:23 PM by Venite

[Cretus]

I think the focus of this discussion should remain on the provider themselves.

Though it grosses me out to see misinformation about U=U being spewed here, I’ll refrain and suggest folks get back to mainly discussing the provider.

Edited Monday at 07:31 PM by Cretus

[SFChinois]

Yes, this has gone in the wrong direction.  I am going to meet with him today in SF and hope the pics match.  he seems very sweet and the people that say he messages too much, UMMM then don't hire him or respond.  He has not divulged his status to me but I am on prep and feel safe having taken this for over 10 yrs.  Education is key so....

 

[TJMS]

Good luck!

[mike carey]

5 hours ago, Cretus said:

I think the focus of this discussion should remain on the provider themselves.

Though it grosses me out to see misinformation about U=U being spewed here, I’ll refrain and suggest folks get back to mainly discussing the provider.

Yes, gentlemen please remember that there is a Men's Health forum where we can discuss issues of HIV transmissibility, this thread is about one escort. Let's close discussion of U=U in this thread. The usual rules on staying on topic and observing moderators' warnings apply from now.