moonlight Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Apps like Signal, Whatsapp, Telegram. Many clients prioritize discretion and privacy (as do providers), and end-to-end encrypted messaging greatly helps facilitate that instead of regular texting. Why isn't this common in the US? Whatsapp at least is more common abroad. Maybe the risk is already perceived as so low that most just don't care. If I were retired or close to it I wouldn't care, but I'm not, and these apps seem to offer a big upside with little downside.
BeamerBikes Posted January 5 Posted January 5 In general, Americans aren’t as privacy conscious as Europeans. Also, end to end encryption is nice, but if the feds want your texts, they’ll subpoena them in the name of “protecting the children” and the companies will quickly comply. Monarchy79, + DrownedBoy and thome55 1 2
BuffaloKyle Posted January 5 Posted January 5 When police do stings they focus mainly on female providers/male clients and guys seeking out minors. Guys hiring guys is not usually their focus. Unless a provider is implying on his ad he's into illegal drugs or here from another country then that will of course be a flag. + DrownedBoy 1
Kevin Slater Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Because I want to hear a voice on the phone. There are so many text/spam/phishing/stalker/jackers-off/whatever games being thrown at us that I would spend all day interacting with these encrypted messages while one phone call can cut thru that shit. Kevin Slater pubic_assistance, maninsoma, + Pensant and 8 others 4 7
ShortCutie7 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 This is why I’ll never understand providers who insist on moving communication from RM messenger to texting… why? Isn’t RM messenger more private/discreet than someone’s personal phone number? Like if a boss or coworker has to use my phone, they would see a text coming in; they would not see a message on a site that one has to log into. jockstrapdaddy 1
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 5 Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, ShortCutie7 said: ...they would see a text coming in; they would not see a message on a site that one has to log into This ⬆️ Escorts probably deal with 100's of messages in a day, from a dozen prospective clients going back and forth, which results in maybe 2 paid sessions. Escorts don't want to have to deal with handling multiple apps, or using a website that requires Internet access, while they are running around at the gym, supermarket, or driving. Texting is easy and simple. Time is money 💰 Luv2play, Kevin Slater, marylander1940 and 4 others 1 4 2
ShortCutie7 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 1 minute ago, Vegas_Millennial said: This ⬆️ Escorts probably deal with 100's of messages in a day, from a dozen prospective clients going back and forth, which results in maybe 2 paid sessions. Escorts don't want to have to deal with handling multiple apps, or using a website that requires Internet access, while they are running around at the gym, supermarket, or driving. Texting is easy and simple. Time is money 💰 I get that, but wouldn’t part of an escort’s business be to regularly check RM if not keeping it open? Wouldn’t it be their equivalent of a work email? There’s a big difference between a client’s perspective/needs and a provider’s. As a potential client, I don’t expect an immediate response because I know that there could be a myriad of reasons the provider can’t answer right away (even via text). jockstrapdaddy 1
BeamerBikes Posted January 5 Posted January 5 28 minutes ago, Kevin Slater said: Because I want to hear a voice on the phone. There are so many text/spam/phishing/stalker/jackers-off/whatever games being thrown at us that I would spend all day interacting with these encrypted messages while one phone call can cut thru that shit. Also this from the client side, unless I know it’s an international person, my immediate reaction to WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal - this is likely a scam. A phone number offers a small bit of traceability/verification.
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Just now, ShortCutie7 said: I get that, but wouldn’t part of an escort’s business be to regularly check RM if not keeping it open? Wouldn’t it be their equivalent of a work email? There’s a big difference between a client’s perspective/needs and a provider’s. As a potential client, I don’t expect an immediate response because I know that there could be a myriad of reasons the provider can’t answer right away (even via text). Many providers advertise on multiple platforms (massage websites, RentMen, Hunqz) and unless they are checking each one every hour they are apt to miss a potential new client who wants a response right away. Plus, cell phone service is more accessible while traveling throughout a city than Wifi. As a customer, I don't even bother going to a provider's RentMen or the other advertisement for a repeat hire. I just text them directly, responding to the text message conversation from our last meeting. There are a few providers who have sent me messages on RentMen, but I usually don't see those until the next time I log into RentMen, which might be weeks later. + KensingtonHomo 1
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 32 minutes ago, ShortCutie7 said: Like if a boss or coworker has to use my phone, they would see a text coming in; they would not see a message on a site that one has to log into Don't be using your company-provided telephone for hiring escorts or watching porn. Don't give your personal telephone to coworkers. It is not uncommon for both clients and providers in this hobby to carry 2 mobile phones: one for sex work, and one for their day job. Edited January 5 by Vegas_Millennial Nightowl, + Pensant, liubit and 1 other 4
ShortCutie7 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: Don't be using your company-provided telephone for hiring escorts or watching porn. Of course I wouldn’t! But how many people have company-provided telephones in 2025? 4 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: Don't give your person telephone to coworkers. This is largely unavoidable in many jobs and other family/life situations where someone can easily see a text coming in on your phone. But my point is that someone who a client doesn’t want to see a message is significantly more likely to see a text coming in than an RM message. My priority in this particular situation is discretion/privacy; not convenience and immediacy. Though it sounds like mine is an unpopular opinion. jockstrapdaddy 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, moonlight said: Many clients prioritize discretion and privacy (as do providers), and end-to-end encrypted messaging greatly helps facilitate that instead of regular texting. Why isn't this common in the US? Because the US spies on everyone and everything. If you believe you can use an app to avoid scrutiny you're grossly mistaken. NJF, Shawn Monroe, Hungbig9 and 2 others 5
TorontoDrew Posted January 6 Posted January 6 I use a texting app in the secure folder of my phone. Same as RM. There are no notifications for anyone to see. I also have separate Twitter and Instagram accounts in the secure area.
ReynST Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, BuffaloKyle said: When police do stings they focus mainly on female providers/male clients and guys seeking out minors. Guys hiring guys is not usually their focus. Unless a provider is implying on his ad he's into illegal drugs or here from another country then that will of course be a flag. More accurately, I'd say they focus on situations that may involve human trafficking Shawn Monroe and Simon Suraci 2
+ Vegas_Millennial Posted January 6 Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, ShortCutie7 said: But how many people have company-provided telephones in 2025? 26% of employees have a company-provided mobile phone according to this study. Even more have company-provided landline telephones. Global Blog | New Motorola Study Reveals Employees’ Growing Desire for Work Smartphones, for a Better Work-Life Balance and Productivity Boost MOTOROLANEWS.COM Motorola's official global blog site for announcements, press materials and original stories about our technology. At my work, executive/appointment employees are provided company-owned mobile phones. When our IT department started requiring 2-factor identification to log in to work computers, they were surprised to learn how many hundreds of employees refused to use their personal mobile telephone for work, and the IT department had to come up with an alternate method to log in that did not require the use of personal mobile telephones. Similarly, some utility companies in my area started requiring the use of mobile telephone apps to upload plans to them, but they had to re-think their process when employees at other companies and governments refused to use their personal mobile telephone to download a work related app. My employer doesn't even have my mobile telephone number. Owning a mobile telephone is not a condition in my contract, so as far as they know I only have a land line. Problem solved: I never have to worry about an employer seeing my text messages. Edited January 6 by Vegas_Millennial ShortCutie7 and + KensingtonHomo 1 1
+ BenjaminNicholas Posted January 6 Posted January 6 2 hours ago, BeamerBikes said: Also, end to end encryption is nice, but if the feds want your texts, they’ll subpoena them in the name of “protecting the children” and the companies will quickly comply. Yep, exactly. Privacy in America is just a facsimile of security. All it takes is one agency and the Patriot Act. Tech companies rarely, if ever, win that battle. pubic_assistance, Shawn Monroe, + KensingtonHomo and 2 others 3 2
+ KensingtonHomo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said: Yep, exactly. Privacy in America is just a facsimile of security. All it takes is one agency and the Patriot Act. Tech companies rarely, if ever, win that battle. They don’t even fight it. + BenjaminNicholas 1
ShortCutie7 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Vegas_Millennial said: 26% of employees have a company-provided mobile phone according to this study. Even more have company-provided landline telephones. Global Blog | New Motorola Study Reveals Employees’ Growing Desire for Work Smartphones, for a Better Work-Life Balance and Productivity Boost MOTOROLANEWS.COM Motorola's official global blog site for announcements, press materials and original stories about our technology. At my work, executive/appointment employees are provided company-owned mobile phones. When our IT department started requiring 2-factor identification to log in to work computers, they were surprised to learn how many hundreds of employees refused to use their personal mobile telephone for work, and the IT department had to come up with an alternate method to log in that did not require the use of personal mobile telephones. Similarly, some utility companies in my area started requiring the use of mobile telephone apps to upload plans to them, but they had to re-think their process when employees at other companies and governments refused to use their personal mobile telephone to download a work related app. My employer doesn't even have my mobile telephone number. Owning a mobile telephone is not a condition in my contract, so as far as they know I only have a land line. Problem solved: I never have to worry about an employer seeing my text messages. This is genuinely shocking to me! It has literally been an expectation if not a requirement of every job I’ve had in the last 15ish years (in different fields) to have my own smartphone.
ReynST Posted January 6 Posted January 6 25 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said: It is not uncommon for both clients and providers in this hobby to carry 2 mobile phones: one for sex work, and one for their day job. You can also have multiple numbers on a single phone. I use the free Google Voice number for all business conversations. I wouldn't call it secure, but it also works for WhatsApp. There are apps that can give you additional numbers too.
+ JamesB Posted January 6 Posted January 6 As far as I know, using the Signal app for messaging is quite secure. Even if the government were to subpoena your records, the information they’d receive would be minimal since Signal doesn’t have access to the content of your messages. mike carey, BSR, Tristan777 and 2 others 2 2 1
moonlight Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 (edited) 7 hours ago, JamesB said: As far as I know, using the Signal app for messaging is quite secure. Even if the government were to subpoena your records, the information they’d receive would be minimal since Signal doesn’t have access to the content of your messages. Yeah, this. Signal is literally unable to comply with subpoenas that request content of messages. They will fight the subpoena, and if they lose, all they can hand over is the date the account was created and when it was last active since that's all the info they have. Signal is really the gold standard here and I don't understand why it isn't more common for privacy concerns. The app has additional features like disappearing (self-destruct) messages. Sure, nothing is probably "perfect". But the barrier/threshold is so much higher with an app like Signal that it seems like a no brainer to me. Edited January 6 by moonlight Tristan777, + Pensant and + JamesB 2 1
moonlight Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 Right now, there are only 21 men worldwide on RM who advertise they use Signal, with some saying it's their preferred method of communication. + Vegas_Millennial 1
+ KensingtonHomo Posted January 6 Posted January 6 In addition to Signal and WhatsApp, there's an app called Burner, which gives you a separate number that you can use for private matters and turn the notifications off. It costs a few dollars but I like having it so I don't have to give out my actual number or risk a text from a provider popping up when my nephew has my phone. ShortCutie7, + Pensant and MikeBiDude 2 1
pubic_assistance Posted January 6 Posted January 6 WhatsApp isn't even remotely secure. Plus the app, once downloaded accesses ALL your data on your device and makes it ready for distribution. The app is owned by Meta (Zuckerberg) who's been making his money by working with the Government to provide Metadata spying on the general population. Moke and rvwnsd 2
Kevin Slater Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, KensingtonHomo said: In addition to Signal and WhatsApp, there's an app called Burner, which gives you a separate number that you can use for private matters and turn the notifications off. It costs a few dollars but I like having it so I don't have to give out my actual number or risk a text from a provider popping up when my nephew has my phone. Which makes it the perfect app for anyone wanting to troll the escort by texting him all day long, asking for more pics and jack off material, setting things up, then never showing. Not saying you do, but saying why some providers would never meet or even engage you off said app. Kevin Slater + Vegas_Millennial 1
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