Health status verification

[BrickBuilder]

Yeah,  this came up just this past weekend here in Atlanta.  A visiting provider has a profile that reads "Negative on Prep" and then I happened to see him on another sex site and he is "Positive Undetectable".   Same pictures, same stats, etc. so I knew it was the same person.   He then started advertising on the sex site to be a "cum dump" for an evening. 

Needless to say, I just assume I need to protect myself in all situations regardless of the advertised status on any site anywhere.

[ShortCutie7]

This is why I will never ever bareback!  

[+ ApexNomad]

43 minutes ago, Toomuch4u said:

I’m sorry but a lot of you guys on here aren’t very smart……be careful with the guys who claim to be negative on prep….it is usually a lie….start checking and ask questions…..I could go on and on……take care of yourselves……a lot of you just think with one head of yours….be careful. You might get scammed or worse.

It’s a terrible and unconscionable thing if a provider lies about their health status (and vice versa). You could ask questions, but they might still deceive you and lie. What you can do is protect yourself with the tools available and think with the head above your neck.

[CuriousByNature]

I've seen adverts for providers on RM who have indicated in the past that they are Positive/Undetectable, but now they are somehow Negative on PreP.  I guess miracles do really happen! LOL.

Point being that anyone who engages anyone else is responsible for their OWN health and safety, and needs to plan and make decisions according to the level of risk they are willing to assume.

Edited February 19 by CuriousByNature

[SirBillybob]

Using your brain means that even if all HIV status delineations are true to the best of all delineators’ knowledge there is no true risk hierarchy within the context of advertising. 

Positive is unambiguous and the variation in risk would be exclusively viral suppression, TasP status. One could assume a minority of poz delineators would not possess undetectable virus status. Knowing what you are dealing with is clear, clearer if viral load is accessible at point of interaction. Like selecting and meeting like is more facilitated. 

Negative is ambiguous and only as accurate as the latest test also considering lag time from exposure to diagnosis if testing is sought. One could assume that a minority of -ve delineators are HIV-positive with unsuppressed viral load at point of interaction. Like meets like in actuality is less likely, and objections related to status distortion are pronounced.

What might impel a person to alter their delineated status? Well, stigma along with simply individual or collective buy-in that that there is a meaningful risk hierarchy delineated on paper without the deeper drill-down of actual transmission risk at point of interaction, as well as the overt pearl-clutching that is expressed upon falsely assuming an actual meaningful risk hierarchy in which positive /undetectable equates to higher risk within a loose hierarchy of transmission potential.

Paradoxically, the status alterer is underscoring the lack of a true hierarchy of risk, but those, including here, that emphasize self-efficacy in risk management are on the correct track irrespective of their conceptualization of risk hierarchy. Stigma based on HIV status would need to be eliminated if the hope for care of others within the prevention agenda is to be realized. Catching somebody red-handed screams stigma.

Edited February 19 by SirBillybob

[MikeThomas]

 

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, Toomuch4u said:

I’m sorry but a lot of you guys on here aren’t very smart……be careful with the guys who claim to be negative on prep….it is usually a lie….start checking and ask questions…..I could go on and on……take care of yourselves……a lot of you just think with one head of yours….be careful. You might get scammed or worse.

and so many guys who forget about taking a daily pill!

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

It’s a terrible and unconscionable thing if a provider lies about their health status (and vice versa). You could ask questions, but they might still deceive you and lie. What you can do is protect yourself with the tools available and think with the head above your neck.

Yes, I always do DoxyPEP after an encounter with a provider, is not 100% effective but better than not doint it! 

 

[studchaser]

Im gonna take alot of shit for this but I love real straight providers(with a wife and kids at home). Some of these other providers are on a reckless kamikaze mission. Good luck out there guys!

[+ ApexNomad]

57 minutes ago, studchaser said:

Im gonna take alot of shit for this but I love real straight providers(with a wife and kids at home). Some of these other providers are on a reckless kamikaze mission. Good luck out there guys!

And straight providers are less reckless because?

[Luv2play]

3 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Yes, I always do DoxyPEP after an encounter with a provider, is not 100% effective but better than not doint it! 

 

DoxyPEP will not act against HIV.

[+ Jamie21]

I bareback, and I’m on prep. I wouldn’t bareback if I wasn’t on prep (and I’m aware of the risks and that nothing is guaranteed). I also get tested very frequently. All of that is my choice to protect myself. I expect clients to make their own choices and to take responsibility for their health. I don’t ask their status because it’s irrelevant to my decisions.

Sometimes clients ask my status and I’m fine to tell them but I add that they shouldn’t make any decisions based on what I tell them. I’m often surprised by the amount of ignorance about such things there is out there, especially given that guys who hire ought to be well informed about the risks and protections they need to take. 

Edited February 19 by Jamie21

[marylander1940]

10 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

DoxyPEP will not act against HIV.

I know... it's about other diseases! 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

7 hours ago, Toomuch4u said:

I’m sorry but a lot of you guys on here aren’t very smart……be careful with the guys who claim to be negative on prep….it is usually a lie….start checking and ask questions…..I could go on and on……take care of yourselves……a lot of you just think with one head of yours….be careful. You might get scammed or worse.

Yes, but the truly smart ones are those who PROTECT THEMSELVES FIRST.

Going to fuck without a condom?  Get on PrEP first.

Going to fuck a lot, with a wide variety of people, without a condom?  Get on Doxy PrEP.

The marvels of modern medical science are giving people a way to fuck safely:  Use whatever safety device you'd like, but for fuck's sake, don't rely on the word of a perfect stranger while doing zero to keep yourself healthy.

If you can't do that, you shouldn't be having sex in the first place. 

 

Edited February 19 by BenjaminNicholas

[Luv2play]

42 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Yes, but the truly smart ones are those who PROTECT THEMSELVES FIRST.

Going to fuck without a condom?  Get on PrEP first.

Going to fuck a lot, with a wide variety of people, without a condom?  Get on Doxy PrEP.

The marvels of modern medical science are giving people a way to fuck safely:  Use whatever safety device you'd like, but for fuck's sake, don't rely on the word of a perfect stranger while doing zero to keep yourself healthy.

If you can't do that, you shouldn't be having sex in the first place. 

 

You didn’t mention the DoxyPep option for those who only need the take the morning after pill because they’re not fucking every other day. 

[+ glutes]

On 7/18/2024 at 12:05 PM, Johnrom said:

Never taboo to protect your own health. But you are relying on this individual being honest with you. 

When they have already lied to you about their age.

 

[Luv2play]

I noticed the op did not specify on which site the provider stated he was negative on PreP. Was it Rentmen or some other advertising platform?

[+ ApexNomad]

On 2/19/2025 at 7:38 PM, Luv2play said:

You didn’t mention the DoxyPep option for those who only need the take the morning after pill because they’re not fucking every other day. 

I read your message twice, and to me, it seems to suggest that someone who isn’t having frequent sex doesn’t need to take PrEP and could instead use DoxyPep as an “as needed” approach. Am I understanding that correctly?

[Luv2play]

12 minutes ago, ApexNomad said:

I read your message twice, and to me, it seems to suggest that someone who isn’t having frequent sex doesn’t need to take PrEP and could instead use DoxyPep as an “as needed” approach. Am I understanding that correctly?

I didn’t refer to PreP for HIV. I was referring to DoxyPreP which involved taking the medication every day like the  HIV medication to prevent transmission. 
 

If you are like me, a client that does not hire every week at least once but maybe once a month, then DoxyPep is the way to go as you only take 200 mg once in the morning after sex. It helps ward off syphilis, gonorhea and clamydia. 

Edited February 21 by Luv2play

[ketut]

Call me old fashioned, but it's not the providers responsibility in my opinion, educate yourself and take the precautions you are comfortable with.  Ask questions if you have to.  I've had providers give me their status/vaccinations etc. unsolicited which I appreciate but I typically don't ask because my doctor and I know what precautions I've taken.  If a provider asks, which has been like almost never, I share what I've done to protect myself, but I don't disclose it unsolicited.  I also don't expect a provider to.  HIPPA baby.  

[+ ApexNomad]

23 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

I didn’t refer to PreP for HIV. I was referring to DoxyPreP which involved taking the medication every day like the  HIV medication to prevent transmission. 
 

If you are like me, a client that does not hire every week at least once but maybe once a month, then DoxyPep is the way to go as you only take 200 mg once in the morning after sex. It helps ward off syphilis, gonorhea and clamydia. 

I’m honestly not following the flow of this conversation based on what was previously said—it doesn’t quite make sense to me. Maybe I’m missing something, but that’s okay. Any health questions are best discussed with one’s medical professional.